Resistance From Inside Trump Admin

[Helen of Annoy]

2 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

I rather like the sound of a narcissistic salad. it looks at itself in the mirror and thinks "aren't my artistically arranged lettuce leaves just so cute". 

and that's the exact definition of fanaticism, or at the very least obsessive compulsive behavior, if we want to psychoanalyze people at a distance. 

Oh, I'm much crazier than OCD, but let me point out the obvious and important yet again: I'm not the freaking president of anything. 

And there's this guy, obviously off the rocker, having his short orange fingers near nuclear codes. Not that he'd be allowed to go that far, but the very fact that he, with his obvious unfitness and history of being in Russian pocket, is anywhere near White House is the horror story that will be told for centuries to come. 

At least the films and books about this travesty will be hilarious. 

[RoofGardener]

3 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Oh, I'm much crazier than OCD, but let me point out the obvious and important yet again: I'm not the freaking president of anything. 

And there's this guy, obviously off the rocker, having his short orange fingers near nuclear codes. Not that he'd be allowed to go that far, but the very fact that he, with his obvious unfitness and history of being in Russian pocket, is anywhere near White House is the horror story that will be told for centuries to come. 

At least the films and books about this travesty will be hilarious. 

".... obviously off the rocker..." 

"...obvious unfitness...."

".. history of being in Russian pocket...."

Care to justify ANY of those statements ?  

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, Myles said:

I'm racist.

 

Yeah, I know the feeling. I'm kind of racist too. Only it's the mean and stupid people I can't stand. Stupid and kind is fine.  

Who cares? 

It's your private problem. Check under bed for coloured people before your bed time. 

But by choosing an evil clown who's good in nothing except destroying everything and everyone that comes near him you're creating problems for the rest of us too.  

[RoofGardener]

5 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Yeah, I know the feeling. I'm kind of racist too. Only it's the mean and stupid people I can't stand. Stupid and kind is fine.  

Who cares? 

It's your private problem. Check under bed for coloured people before your bed time. 

But by choosing an evil clown who's good in nothing except destroying everything and everyone that comes near him you're creating problems for the rest of us too.  

Truly ? 

What problems has President Trump caused for you in Croatia ? 

[Helen of Annoy]

Just now, RoofGardener said:

".... obviously off the rocker..." 

"...obvious unfitness...."

".. history of being in Russian pocket...."

Care to justify ANY of those statements ?  

Care to prove the opinion of literally everyone outside Trump sect is wrong?

Care to explain why would a sane person who hasn't lost touch with the reality go around painted orange?

Care to bend the reality? 

Care to pretend there wasn't Helsinki? 

[Helen of Annoy]

Just now, RoofGardener said:

Truly ? 

What problems has President Trump caused for you in Croatia ? 

He's trying desperately to undermine NATO and EU, at Putin's request. 

Since you even have to ask, you've probably chosen a wrong discussion to take part in. 

[RoofGardener]

12 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Care to prove the opinion of literally everyone outside Trump sect is wrong?

Hmm.. you want me to prove a negative ? Curious, and usually rather difficult. Lets see... Trumps approval rating is down to around 40% of Americans. 

Soo.. that's 0.4 x 325 Million = taps on calculator ... umm.... thirty eight people who are in the "Trump Sect". 

No wait.. that can't be right.... < tappity tappity tappity TAP > AHA.... fifteen billion Americans are in the...... no.... wait.. that can't POSSIBLY be correct....  throws calculator in bin and gets pen and pencil out.... scribble scribble scribble.... . 130 Million Americans. That's a BIG 'sect' ? Now then, that does NOT mean that the remainder - some 195 Million Americans think that President Donald Trump is "off his rocker". I'm not sure how to even deduce such a figure. But it will obviously be LESS than the 195 Million who currently dissaprove of his policies/actions. In fact, I'd suggest it would be a few million at best. Certainly, it would be less than 130 million. So the "rockers" are likely to be in the minority ? 

12 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Care to explain why would a sane person who hasn't lost touch with the reality go around painted orange?

Well, that's just an asinine comment. 

12 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Care to bend the reality?  

Nope.. no idea what you mean by that ? 

12 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Care to pretend there wasn't Helsinki? 

I'm willing - begrudgingly - to accept the existence of the city of Helsinki. I'm ASSUMING you are referring to the summit that President Donald Trump held there with @Vlad the Mighty ... I mean... Vlad Putin ? The one in which he stated to the Russian president that he did not believe that Russia had interfered with the election ? 

Edited September 16, 2018 by RoofGardener

[RoofGardener]

13 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

He's trying desperately to undermine NATO and EU, at Putin's request. 

Since you even have to ask, you've probably chosen a wrong discussion to take part in. 

No he isn't. He's trying to reform NATO, and to negotiate trade deals etc with the EU - but he's a businessman, not a politician, so he doesn't mince his words. 

As for "Since you even have to ask.....", are you suggesting that I should not be allowed to debate anything, just because I ask questions ? That's awfully fascist of you ?

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

No he isn't. He's trying to reform NATO, and to negotiate trade deals etc with the EU - but he's a businessman, not a politician, so he doesn't mince his words. 

Yup, it's Trump who doesn't mince his words  Except when speaking... or attempting to write...

And he's businessman specialized in bankrupting his own business... maybe he had some personal gain from destroying own companies, but if that's what he has in plan with the US, I believe he will meet certain obstacles, hopefully. In fact, these obstacles are finally starting to show, in form of raining indictments, plea deals and Republican donors giving up. 

  

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

As for "Since you even have to ask.....", are you suggesting that I should not be allowed to debate anything, just because I ask questions ? That's awfully fascist of you ?

No, I'm suggesting you're leaving the impression of a person who wants to talk about something without necessary knowledge about the topic. 

A fascist would truly stop you, even if in this particular case it accidentally means stopping you from further embarrassment, but I'm sincerely welcome you to keep doing that, what obviously makes you happy. 

So, if you even have to ask what problems Trump caused for Croatia, with his childish but obviously pro-Russian attempt to charge protection money while dismantling NATO, with his equally childish and equally Russian-dictated support for Brexit and all the neo-Nazi parties in Europe, all of them financed by Russia and supported with Russian professional trolls, you are either appallingly uninformed, either deliberately act as such.   

 

I only skimmed your earlier post, saw it comes down to pure denial, which is something you think you can afford. 

I think differently than you. I don't think I can afford illusions. Daydreaming is fine, convincing yourself it came really true is very unhealthy.

Because if a train is coming and people are yelling at you to move away from the tracks, will you start lawyering, asking them what proof except their own eyes, ears and brains they've got?

Will the train disappear if you call them fascists?  

[RoofGardener]

So basically anything I say to gainsay your extreme position is just "denial" ? Wow.. what a convenient word that is ! No matter what arguments I put forwards, you can dismiss them ALL without debate, just by waving a magic wand and saying "Denialiarmus"

Oh.. and as for "... And he's businessman specialized in bankrupting his own business... ..." Donald Trump currently owns around 500 companies. In his history, six of them have gone bankrupt. Oh.. and ONE of those was during the 2008 crash, that took LOTS of businesses (including many major banks) down. 

So that's a failure rate of.. what.... 1.2% ? 

And for THAT, you accuse him of "specialising in bankrupting his own business" ? I mean... really ? 

[RoofGardener]

3 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

So, if you even have to ask what problems Trump caused for Croatia, with his childish but obviously pro-Russian attempt to charge protection money while dismantling NATO....

.. with his obviously pro-American demands that NATO fund its own defence, and stop relying on the USA to bankroll it. 

3 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

... with his equally childish and equally Russian-dictated support for Brexit ...

I voted for Brexit, because I'm an Englishman. Does that make me childish and Russian-dictated as well ? I mean, OBVIOUSLY, absolutely ANYBODY who supports Brexit must be childish and Russian-dictated. How could it be otherwise ? Clearly, Brexit-supporters (in all countries) can't POSSIBLY have well-reasoned motives for supporting it. 

3 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

... and all the neo-Nazi parties in Europe, all of them financed by Russia and supported with Russian professional trolls, you are either appallingly uninformed, either deliberately act as such.   

Yeah.. because all the voters for centre-right parties in Sweden, Germany, Italy, Denmark,  Netherlands, France, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria etc can't POSSIBLY have voted on their conscience, based on prevailing national circumstances. They MUST have been Russian dupes. It's obvious, innit ?  

Hey, but seeing as Croatia was the biggest net beneficiary of EU funds in 2016 (over 2 billion euros), then I can understand their enthusiasm for the European Union. 

[Helen of Annoy]

2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

So basically anything I say to gainsay your extreme position is just "denial" ? Wow.. what a convenient word that is ! No matter what arguments I put forwards, you can dismiss them ALL without debate, just by waving a magic wand and saying "Denialiarmus"

Oh.. and as for "... And he's businessman specialized in bankrupting his own business... ..." Donald Trump currently owns around 500 companies. In his history, six of them have gone bankrupt. Oh.. and ONE of those was during the 2008 crash, that took LOTS of businesses (including many major banks) down. 

So that's a failure rate of.. what.... 1.2% ? 

And for THAT, you accuse him of "specialising in bankrupting his own business" ? I mean... really ? 

 

2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

.. with his obviously pro-American demands that NATO fund its own defence, and stop relying on the USA to bankroll it. 

I voted for Brexit, because I'm an Englishman. Does that make me childish and Russian-dictated as well ? I mean, OBVIOUSLY, absolutely ANYBODY who supports Brexit must be childish and Russian-dictated. How could it be otherwise ? Clearly, Brexit-supporters (in all countries) can't POSSIBLY have well-reasoned motives for supporting it. 

Yeah.. because all the voters for centre-right parties in Sweden, Germany, Italy, Denmark,  Netherlands, France, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria etc can't POSSIBLY have voted on their conscience, based on prevailing national circumstances. They MUST have been Russian dupes. It's obvious, innit ?  

Hey, but seeing as Croatia was the biggest net beneficiary of EU funds in 2016 (over 2 billion euros), then I can understand their enthusiasm for the European Union. 

You're using false data like people can't verify anything themselves. 

When I say, for example, that Trump has face painted orange or has gutted State Department, anyone can search a little and see if that's true. And they'll find that, yes, it's true. It's the same with your biggest net beneficiary (I wish, oh, I wish it was true... ) or Trump not being serial bankrupter. Only when checking your claims, turns out you pulled that out of your... hat, I presume.    

 

Regarding Brexit, it was fueled mostly with racism, the cowardly kind of racism, assisted with Russian Internet propaganda machine. Not everyone who voted leave is racist coward, of course, some simply believed in panicky propaganda and promises of NHS wonders once you leave. I understand these people and I respect their decision, though I believe most of them would like a second chance to express their opinion, now when they know the truth about money for the NHS and such. 

Regarding neo-Nazis, who you wish to call centre-right, their percentage is around the long known average percentage of the *******s in a society. Seriously. If it was Stalin, they'd vote for Stalin, it doesn't matter what the ideology is, actually, as long as someone's going to be treated like cattle because it makes them feel less crappy and scared of their own inadequacy. And inadequate they are because 'scuse my bluntness, but obese, drunken, shallow and half-literates are not Aryans, no matter how pasty their skin is.   

[+OverSword]

What a lively conversation. 

[RoofGardener]

37 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

 

You're using false data like people can't verify anything themselves. 

When I say, for example, that Trump has face painted orange or has gutted State Department, anyone can search a little and see if that's true. And they'll find that, yes, it's true. It's the same with your biggest net beneficiary (I wish, oh, I wish it was true... ) or Trump not being serial bankrupter. Only when checking your claims, turns out you pulled that out of your... hat, I presume.    

Yeah... sure... Trump paints his face orange every morning. Obviously. Everyone knows that.

Now, pull THIS out of your hat !

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/?utm_term=.f81d3a201e14

[Helen of Annoy]

19 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Yeah... sure... Trump paints his face orange every morning. Obviously. Everyone knows that.

Now, pull THIS out of your hat !

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/?utm_term=.f81d3a201e14

So, you will actually deny that Trump is orange? Or you too can see he looks orange, only you claim that it's natural tone of his skin? 

'scuse my bluntness again, but... are you... severely colourblind?   

 

As for the pulling out of the hat, I don't have to, Mueller already pulled more out of Manafort.

 

 

Edit: 

Wait, I clicked on your link - because I'm morbidly curious person - and actually read... 

“You’ve taken business bankruptcies six times.”
–Hillary Clinton

“On occasion – four times – we used certain laws that are there.”

–Donald Trump

THE FACT CHECKER | Clinton is correct.

 

You just gave me a link that proves my point, proving you wrong. Are you all right? Was that your intention? To prove yourself wrong? 

 

Edited September 16, 2018 by Helen of Annoy

[RoofGardener]

14 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

So, you will actually deny that Trump is orange? Or you too can see he looks orange, only you claim that it's natural tone of his skin? 

'scuse my bluntness again, but... are you... severely colourblind?   

 

As for the pulling out of the hat, I don't have to, Mueller already pulled more out of Manafort.

 

Yeah...right..whatever !

[Helen of Annoy]

1 minute ago, RoofGardener said:

Yeah...right..whatever !

No, left, see my edit above, so you don't do that to yourself again. 

[RoofGardener]

Trump owns 500 businesses.

He has had 6 bankruptcies in all his life. 

And you call THAT a "serial bankrupt" ? 

[Helen of Annoy]

Just now, RoofGardener said:

Trump owns 500 businesses.

He has had 6 bankruptcies in all his life. 

And you call THAT a "serial bankrupt" ? 

I think it would be wise to wait for the official inventory instead of taking his word on anything. 

Also, I involuntarily (just like asses of certain 'celebrities', everywhere, no matter how much you really feel like puking after seeing it, and for the love of god do not want to see it again, you will see it again) found out that Trump failed with number of his business, only there was no official bankruptcy, just silent failure. 

So I'm not sure if the number of businesses proves anything positive in his case. How many of that mythical number actual existed, how many are still active, how many were just laundromats for Russians? 

It will be interesting to hear, from trustworthy source, probably not sooner, but not later either, than the next year. 

[RoofGardener]

1 minute ago, Helen of Annoy said:

I think it would be wise to wait for the official inventory instead of taking his word on anything. 

Also, I involuntarily (just like asses of certain 'celebrities', everywhere, no matter how much you really feel like puking after seeing it, and for the love of god do not want to see it again, you will see it again) found out that Trump failed with number of his business, only there was no official bankruptcy, just silent failure. 

So I'm not sure if the number of businesses proves anything positive in his case. How many of that mythical number actual existed, how many are still active, how many were just laundromats for Russians? 

It will be interesting to hear, from trustworthy source, probably not sooner, but not later either, than the next year. 

Yeah. Right. Of course. 

Enjoy the lunacy of the inside of your head, Helen of Annoy. I have better things to do. 

[Gromdor]

11 hours ago, and then said:

Giving a government, ANY GOVERNMENT, more control is stupid and counterproductive. 

So, pick your poison then- government control or corporate control.  You can influence government with your votes and corporations with your dollar- good luck!

[Helen of Annoy]

1 minute ago, RoofGardener said:

Yeah. Right. Of course. 

Enjoy the lunacy of the inside of your head, Helen of Annoy. I have better things to do. 

Well, like I already said, I might be slightly insane, but still I'm rational enough not to trust a pathological liar who is caught lying daily.  

[Gromdor]

20 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Trump owns 500 businesses.

He has had 6 bankruptcies in all his life. 

And you call THAT a "serial bankrupt" ? 

Which were his 6 bankruptcies, btw?  Trump Steaks?  Trump University? GoTrump.com? Trump Airlines?  Trump Vodka? Trump Mortgage? Trump:The game? Trump magazine? Trump Ice? The New Jersey Generals? Tour De Trump? Trump on the Ocean? The Trump Network? Trumped?

Then there is this: https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-businesses-failures-successes-2016-10

The guy has a fairly low batting average and he only gets one swing with the business known as "America".

[AnchorSteam]

25 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

So, pick your poison then- government control or corporate control.  You can influence government with your votes and corporations with your dollar- good luck!

Even if that was the only choice, I'd still pick Corporations.

The Govt prints the money and is most influential when it comes to the value of it. The Govt controls the Police, the Military, the Laws and the Courts. 

Ain't that enough, or is there no limit to the power a Govt employee should have?

You also have to produce results to be in a Company, Govt workers are known for being inefficient, wasteful and chronically behind schedule. The Govt misplaces so much cash on a routine basis that they are past being legendary for it, it does not even make the news anymore unless its in the Billions. Shall we go into the freebies and privileges available to all 535 members of Congress?

Tariffs were another issue on this board until they were proven to be working in our favor, and the Govt controls those too. 

Lets at least try to allow something out there to balance out the power of a Govt, okay? People who work in Corporations are Human too, they include a hell of a lot of the population last I checked.

[RoofGardener]

36 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Which were his 6 bankruptcies, btw?  Trump Steaks?  Trump University? GoTrump.com? Trump Airlines?  Trump Vodka? Trump Mortgage? Trump:The game? Trump magazine? Trump Ice? The New Jersey Generals? Tour De Trump? Trump on the Ocean? The Trump Network? Trumped?

Then there is this: https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-businesses-failures-successes-2016-10

The guy has a fairly low batting average and he only gets one swing with the business known as "America".

I'm afraid I can't read that article Gromdor; it insists I remove my ad blocker. (which I will not do).