Doug1029 Posted May 22, 2019 #3076 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: Global temps have not been 1.5C above the current range base. That's above 1850. The baseline is the average from 1951 to 1980. The 2016 temp was 1.01C above the baseline. Do you say these things just to get my goat, or do you really not know? Doug Edited May 22, 2019 by Doug1029 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 22, 2019 #3077 Share Posted May 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Doug1o29 said: That's above 1850. Well then you are baking in natural warming that doesn't have anything to do with AGW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1029 Posted May 22, 2019 #3078 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: Well then you are baking in natural warming that doesn't have anything to do with AGW. Nearly all the warming ascribed to "global warming" has occurred since 1907. 1850 was chosen because it was far enough back that its temps could be considered "natural." Also, because 1850 is considered the last year of the Little Ice Age. I think I've said that about 20 times by now. Are you reading anything I post? Doug Edited May 22, 2019 by Doug1029 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 22, 2019 #3079 Share Posted May 22, 2019 What's your source for 1907? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1029 Posted May 22, 2019 #3080 Share Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: What's your source for 1907? http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt Actually, 1904 was colder at -0.50. So were 1909 and 1911 at -0.46. Various sources give the year as anywhere from 1907 to 1910. I guess it depends on whose dataset you're looking at. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 22, 2019 #3081 Share Posted May 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Doug1o29 said: Actually, 1904 was colder at -0.50. So were 1909 and 1911 at -0.46. Various sources give the year as anywhere from 1907 to 1910. I guess it depends on whose dataset you're looking at. Again based on what? You are looking at Temp anomalies and saying "Oh looks like AGW kicked in here to me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1029 Posted May 22, 2019 #3082 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, lost_shaman said: Again based on what? You are looking at Temp anomalies and saying "Oh looks like AGW kicked in here to me." See Post 3076. And this time, READ it. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 22, 2019 #3083 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I read your POST dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1029 Posted May 22, 2019 #3084 Share Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: I read your POST dude. Now readthe article. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 22, 2019 #3085 Share Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doug1o29 said: Now readthe article. Doug You cite your source! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted May 22, 2019 #3086 Share Posted May 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: You cite your source! You know, when the text is all blue after a citation, you generally can click on the blue text. Who knows. Maybe it'll lead to a source. Incredible, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 22, 2019 #3087 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Socks Junior said: You know, when the text is all blue after a citation, you generally can click on the blue text. Who knows. Maybe it'll lead to a source. Incredible, I know. Then you can quote the part of the Paper that answers my question? Please do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted May 22, 2019 #3088 Share Posted May 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: Then you can quote the part of the Paper that answers my question? Please do so. I don't know what your question is. And anyway, all I can expect from you is a bad faith argument from ignorance. If your question is why 1907...I'd advise you to look at the inflection point on the graphs. If you can read graphs. Evidence suggests not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 22, 2019 #3089 Share Posted May 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said: If your question is why 1907...I'd advise you to look at the inflection point on the graphs. That is the same flawed logic Doug used. As I told him you can not look at temperatures and say where AGW started. AND, 1907 is NOT when the Climate community at large tends to think this began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted May 23, 2019 #3090 Share Posted May 23, 2019 4 hours ago, lost_shaman said: That is the same flawed logic Doug used. As I told him you can not look at temperatures and say where AGW started. AND, 1907 is NOT when the Climate community at large tends to think this began. So it was a bad faith question. You should check what doug actually said again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 23, 2019 #3091 Share Posted May 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said: So it was a bad faith question. You should check what doug actually said again. I think you should make it clear what you are trying to say Sir. I saw/read exactly what Doug said here. Also I have no "bad faith" in anything. I know that is some liberal code now but to the rest of us it doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcom Posted May 23, 2019 #3092 Share Posted May 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Tatetopa said: Settle down a bit. Where is YOUR common sense here? You respond to "unicorn world" with "monster under the bed world". There is a path to follow using technology and science that does not result in pie in the sky or hand wringing It is about cost and development and alternatives. Do you really think natural gas and coal fired turbines require no maintenance? The company I work for has one whole casting plant that makes thousands of replacement blades for land based power generating turbines every year.. They have to be shut down and overhauled because the hot exhaust gases are corrosive. In a coal plant they also carry abrasive ash particles. The things that you say can go wrong indeed might go wrong. There is a probability and a cost one can assign to each of those events. There are also pipeline leaks and coal train wrecks and dams silting up, and nuclear accidents. There is no trouble free life for us. It is just a matter of comparing costs and risks. True, but l would rather have a gas electrical plant covering a relatively small area, catch on fire, than 20 km's of wind turbines, on fire, falling apart, slaghtering eagles and other birds, (the bird catches the worm, lol) p****ing off local's and throwing the natural beauty idea. 8 hours ago, Doug1o29 said: That's just plain BS. I have several wind farms within 40 miles of me. All I have to do is drive along the roads and count them. One wind turbine per 40 acres - exactly the same as oil and has wells. Each one generating 225 kv. Each one generating 1.5 to 3 Megawatts. 800 turbines in just one wind farm. 31 wind farms in the state. At least 1500 turbines in Oklahoma alone. At $3 million per turbine. The big power companies don't believe it either. You may not be aware of the American public land survey system. The whole state is surveyed into sections, ome mile on a side. Roads are usually run right down the section line. There are 16 "forties" in a section. You can drive completely around the section, see every windmill on it and count them: one windmill to forty acres. While I'n thinking of it: a gas well in Oklahoma costs about $3 million to drill - the same as one wind turbine. The wind turbine has a life expectancy of 25 to 30 years with power production pretty-much steady during that time. The gas well produces most of its gas in the first few months, then production drops off, following a decay curve. At twenty years most wells are capped because they can't produce commercial quantities of either oil or gas any more. How do I know this: I used to own a producing gas well. Doug That's BS you mean,....never mind. 4 hours ago, lost_shaman said: That is the same flawed logic Doug used. As I told him you can not look at temperatures and say where AGW started. AND, 1907 is NOT when the Climate community at large tends to think this began. You will have to give the CCC crowd a break, l threw them a curve ball with the wind turbine one, and the insults are flying. I don't see why considering that AU and the US have hundreds of years of gas, and Australia could shut down all of their coal fired power stations and replace them with up to 400 years worth of natural gas, supplying all of our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted May 23, 2019 #3093 Share Posted May 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: I think you should make it clear what you are trying to say Sir. I saw/read exactly what Doug said here. Also I have no "bad faith" in anything. I know that is some liberal code now but to the rest of us it doesn't mean anything. Heh. A liberal code. Say what now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 23, 2019 #3094 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Socks Junior said: Heh. A liberal code. Say what now? You said it, what did you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted May 23, 2019 #3095 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 minute ago, lost_shaman said: You said it, what did you mean? I didn't say it was a liberal code. You did. Bad faith is actually more of a legal term of art. Functionally, it means that you aren't interested in a discussion of facts, and ignore whatever people say that you can't twist into some fantastical version of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 23, 2019 #3096 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, Doc Socks Junior said: I didn't say it was a liberal code. You did. Yes. 1 minute ago, Doc Socks Junior said: Bad faith is actually more of a legal term of art. Functionally, it means that you aren't interested in a discussion of facts, and ignore whatever people say that you can't twist into some fantastical version of reality. I rest my case! Also, I've done no such thing Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted May 23, 2019 #3097 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: Yes. I rest my case! Also, I've done no such thing Sir. Eh. Incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 23, 2019 #3098 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said: Eh. Incorrect.? How so? I've asked you before to explain yourself and you haven't and now you claim to know my motives? Whatever dude. That's funny. Truely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted May 23, 2019 #3099 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: How so? I've asked you before to explain yourself and you haven't and now you claim to know my motives? Whatever dude. That's funny. Truely. Huh, there it is. No, see, I don't claim to know your motives. Just pointing out your actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 23, 2019 #3100 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said: Huh, there it is. No, see, I don't claim to know your motives. Just pointing out your actions. I'm sorry bout that. LOL. Guess the Devil just made my body do it and bypassed my consciousness completely. What was it I did again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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