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Climate Change is a Hoax

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12 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

I think you hit the nail on the head there.   Most who don't believe in Climate change, also do not, in fact, believe in the Holocaust or the Moon Landing.  They do however beleive in some other things, such as Balaam's talking ass, racial theory, the flat earth, and all manner of conspiracy.  In fact one might say that such is their belief in conspiracy, and their suspicion of other humans, that it quite eclipses their reason.  Of conspiracy they make a religion, and of religion they manufacture atrocity.  They form a ball and chain, dragging behind the rest of humanity as a dead weight, retarding progress, and all because they saw a YouTube video or two and now think they are meteorologists.

Lol, of course we are, and for your information quickdraw, l don't believe in flat earth, (overwhelming evidence, remember that word, "evidence") or the moon landing being fake or the holocost or Balaams, (probably Eugenics, that l don't believe in either, in the if you nose is big, you are stupid).

Or conspiricy religion, blah, blah, blah, you sound so clever, but it all comes down to hard evidence, (not the dodgy see spot run evidence, real evidence).

Ball and chain, lol. True throw us down a hole somewhere it worked for the Aztecs, (well it did for a while).

 

Now lets get back to reality, l present a video on the mad thread, by a world leader expert on climate, change, (and well respected). He says that there isn't any, and anyone who believes in the end is nigh are nuts!

Then we have Gores, 2006 failed predictions, based on 900 PRW, 13 years later nothing, no flooding, no icecaps disappearing, and the endless list goes on.

 

So there isn't any end is nigh no tipping point, no spend a zilloin to fix this, no Bill Gates fairy dust to fix this, just ....witted greenies, with too much of a grasp on power, and others who cannot let go of the gov, teat.

 

As for the religious part, someone who is sane will look at all evidence, and make a, (l don't give a s***t) call on all of this, or in other words, can see the inconsistences, almost 100 years of failed predictions, and tampering by what used to be reputable organizations.

 

And a religious nut, will also look at it all, ignore, dismiss, (use the oil company is behind it) and find any weak reason why all of the evidence that MMGW is a stickin pile,.........isn't a stinkin pile......

Real evidence seperates the fanatic from the sane, but l forget we are at the tipping point, so as long as we run about like chicken little with its head cut off, and act like we are doing something then we can go down with the ship with a clean conscience.

5 hours ago, .AKUMA. said:

4146 posts in this thread and no an inch closer to the truth :D

so lets look at this from a logical point of view.

Is the earth warming? well evidence seems to suggest so.

is the climate changing? Yes i dont think anyone here can deny that.

Why is it changing? perhaps the biggest point of debate, is it man made? is it a natural earth cycle seen many times before? is it the sun?

and that is where we have the issue on debating this.

it has been atleast to a certain degree all of those things above :/

Plenty of solid evidence to show that MMGW is a Hoax, but unfortunately too many nutcases.

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15 hours ago, Doug1o29 said:

And, no.  Temperatures are not risintg due to increased humidity.  I didn't say they were.  They are rising in DRY areas - like dry deserts and the continental Arctic in winter time.  If you are actually reading what is being posted, then you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Ok lets look at some Alaskan Warming anomalies. 

For January 2019.

AK_Temp_Jan_2019.jpeg.f3d523c3a3f02263e20eea07e347971d.jpeg

For Feb. 2019.

AK_Temp_Feb_2019.jpeg.6b01f9cbed3c639ffb39ae1c7f258fd0.jpeg

 

You can clearly see the Mid to Northern Alaskan State Coastal Cities experienced more warming than the States Interior Cites during these deep Winter months this year. This observation is completely antithetical to your point you are trying to make.

* Images from http://akclimate.org/

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This doesn't happen in Earth's atmosphere. In the troposphere atmospheric pressure is high enough that  CO2 molecules that get excited by absorbing a 15 um photon from the Surface Black Body Radiation have over a 99.94% non-radiative decay from collisions with other molecules. i.e. the energy gets transferred to the atmosphere kinetically without a photon being re-emitted. 

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I accounts for 50% of the CO2 caused IR heating.

 

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1 minute ago, Br Cornelius said:

I accounts for 50% of the CO2 caused IR heating.

Not in anyway we have discussed here. 

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1 minute ago, lost_shaman said:

Not in anyway we have discussed here. 

Wrong. It accounts for 50% of all CO2 IR absorptions and emissions.
Put another way, if it didn't happen CO2 IR forcing would halve.


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Just now, Br Cornelius said:

Wrong. It accounts for 50% of all CO2 IR absorptions and emissions.

Br Cornelius

I mean you can scream that to the heavens but I'm not seeing your evidence for that yet.

 

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Just now, lost_shaman said:

I mean you can scream that to the heavens but I'm not seeing your evidence for that yet.

 

I am telling you that is the basic physics.

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1 minute ago, Br Cornelius said:

I am telling you that is the basic physics.

You can't evidence your 50% statement.

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I can but I am going to leave you guessing how you got it wrong.

 

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1 minute ago, Br Cornelius said:

I can but I am going to leave you guessing how you got it wrong.

You can't because I'd rip whatever you present to shreds. The observations don't support your position.

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Dream on. Its a basic physics fact that the path length in the atmosphere is halved by re-emissions and absorption within the atmosphere.

Its what the original link supplied discusses.

But no one has to prove anything to you since your've shown yourself totally immune to evidence and have no remorse when your shown to be factually incorrect - so why bother. As a case in point, is the Arctic a desert or desert like ?

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lost_shaman
12 hours ago, Br Cornelius said:

Dream on. Its a basic physics fact that the path length in the atmosphere is halved by re-emissions and absorption within the atmosphere.

Its what the original link supplied discusses.

 

You don't even have a clue what you are talking about.

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19 hours ago, Br Cornelius said:

Put another way, if it didn't happen CO2 IR forcing would halve.

 

Since what you are describing doesn't happen in Earth's Troposphere due to collisions happening so much more rapidly than time to re-emission, have you "halved" your preferred "forcing value"?

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On 7/20/2019 at 2:41 AM, Br Cornelius said:

Put another way, if it didn't happen CO2 IR forcing would halve.

Such a definitive statement. Will no one come out of the proverbial woodwork and defend this? 

Isn't it strange that people who claim to know the "Science" so much better than others, are the ones who don't know how CO2/LWIR works?

 

 

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14 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

Will no one come out of the proverbial woodwork and defend this? 

They've all left because you're here, and they realise it's like talking to the hand...  Whilst I congratulate BC for his efforts, he too will eventually realise that you're beyond education, and no-one else is reading this trainwreck anyway..

This thread has descended to below gutter level, and is rightly being abandoned by all who go near it.

But do knock yourself out thinkin' that it's because you've defeated everyone with your random Googling.  I won't call it cherry picking, as that would imply at least some degree of selectivity....

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On 7/20/2019 at 12:00 AM, lost_shaman said:

Ok lets look at some Alaskan Warming anomalies. 

For January 2019.

AK_Temp_Jan_2019.jpeg.f3d523c3a3f02263e20eea07e347971d.jpeg

For Feb. 2019.

AK_Temp_Feb_2019.jpeg.6b01f9cbed3c639ffb39ae1c7f258fd0.jpeg

 

You can clearly see the Mid to Northern Alaskan State Coastal Cities experienced more warming than the States Interior Cites during these deep Winter months this year. This observation is completely antithetical to your point you are trying to make.

* Images from http://akclimate.org/

Now check out Fairbanks, Delta Junction and Bettles.  I can cherry-pick, too.

Doug

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2 hours ago, Doug1o29 said:

Now check out Fairbanks, Delta Junction and Bettles.  I can cherry-pick, too.

Doug

Coastal areas, over most of the world, haven't changed much in temps over the last 30 years.  In Alaska,winter  warming is occurring along the coast and in the interior, with a few, intermediate stations showing a decreased temp.

LS:  would you mond posting similar maps of Siberia and the Canadian interior?

And please note that "Arctic" means north of 66 degrees, 33 minutes north latitude.  Most of Alaska isn't in the Arctic.

Doug

 

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lost_shaman
3 hours ago, Doug1o29 said:

LS:  would you mond posting similar maps of Siberia and the Canadian interior?

Doug, shouldn't you do the leg work to support your own claims and 'definitive' statements? 

 

3 hours ago, Doug1o29 said:

And please note that "Arctic" means north of 66 degrees, 33 minutes north latitude.  Most of Alaska isn't in the Arctic.

That is an imaginary line on a map defined by the fact that above that line the Sun doesn't set on the summer solstice or rise on the Winter solstice. The temperature anomalies or Polar/Arctic amplification have no regard to imaginary lines on Maps.

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23 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

Doug, shouldn't you do the leg work to support your own claims and 'definitive' statements? 

Perhaps, but you're the one claiming that winter temps in interior areas are not rising.  It's your wild claim.  You need to support it.

24 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

That is an imaginary line on a map defined by the fact that above that line the Sun doesn't set on the summer solstice or rise on the Winter solstice. The temperature anomalies or Polar/Arctic amplification have no regard to imaginary lines on Maps.

OK, then.  Just come close.

Doug

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7 minutes ago, Doug1o29 said:

Perhaps, but you're the one claiming that winter temps in interior areas are not rising.  It's your wild claim.  You need to support it.

Not at all Doug! You made the claim that the warming was in the dry areas (the interior away from the coasts). I've simply showed otherwise. 

Now you have to support your own claims, that is your job not mine. Why are you even making claims without any supporting evidence in the first place?

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 Anyone notice that " Global Warming " is only a cause of and problem that is centered around America. North Korea, Iran, Russia, Pakistan, Iraq , the entire rest of the world has zero to do with " Global warming / Climate Change " more over, according to Al Gore and the rest of the democrat party,  that big yellow star in space, that keeps the planet alive, has even less than zero in being a cause of any of it. 

All it is, is another politically created problem to beat submissive voters into believing and if you don't agree with what they are shoving down your throat, then obviously you are just an ignorant, homophobic, deplorable , racist , moron.

Forget Mars being a dead planet, forget actual scientists that do not buy into it. An toss out common sense. When dealing with Democrat which is now becoming a Socialist party, none of it matters, truth, facts, nothing. All that matters is you either agree with them or you don't. An if you find a Democrat politician that doesn't drink the party kool aid, and disagrees , on anything with in the party, watch how fast that persons career dies and that person gets turned on.

 

Just remember according to A.O.C the world has probably only another 10-12 years before " global warming and or climate change " destroys everything.  Does she have any degree in anything related in science or anything in the field of weather ? Nope, Neither did Al Gore. Doesn't matter. If you are a democrat politician anything you say be it an allegation or related to something outside of your field , it is truth. No need to back it up with anything.

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14 minutes ago, lost_shaman said:

Not at all Doug! You made the claim that the warming was in the dry areas (the interior away from the coasts). I've simply showed otherwise. 

Now you have to support your own claims, that is your job not mine. Why are you even making claims without any supporting evidence in the first place?

Actually, no.  You've shown that there is some warming along the coasts of Alaska.  I have used your posted map to show that there is also warming in the interior.  There are several stations between the coast and the interior that show cooling - interesting.  Neither of us has shown anything about the situation in the Candian Arctic or Siberia.  However, the PRISM Climate Group has climate data for gridpoints across the US and Canada.  They don't quite reach the Arctic, but Gridpoint 5 falls somewhere in the vicinity of Athabaska.  I haven't assembled the charts for it, but if you care to, it would p

 

2 minutes ago, GLCsector3295 said:

 Anyone notice that " Global Warming " is only a cause of and problem that is centered around America. North Korea, Iran, Russia, Pakistan, Iraq , the entire rest of the world has zero to do with " Global warming / Climate Change " more over, according to Al Gore and the rest of the democrat party,  that big yellow star in space, that keeps the planet alive, has even less than zero in being a cause of any of it. 

All it is, is another politically created problem to beat submissive voters into believing and if you don't agree with what they are shoving down your throat, then obviously you are just an ignorant, homophobic, deplorable , racist , moron.

Forget Mars being a dead planet, forget actual scientists that do not buy into it. An toss out common sense. When dealing with Democrat which is now becoming a Socialist party, none of it matters, truth, facts, nothing. All that matters is you either agree with them or you don't. An if you find a Democrat politician that doesn't drink the party kool aid, and disagrees , on anything with in the party, watch how fast that persons career dies and that person gets turned on.

 

Just remember according to A.O.C the world has probably only another 10-12 years before " global warming and or climate change " destroys everything.  Does she have any degree in anything related in science or anything in the field of weather ? Nope, Neither did Al Gore. Doesn't matter. If you are a democrat politician anything you say be it an allegation or related to something outside of your field , it is truth. No need to back it up with anything.

Go back and read some of this thread.  We've discussed why most of what you're saying doesn't hold up.  Then come back and we can talk about it.

Here's a map of some of the world's weather stations.  Those and about 10,000 more are where the data is coming from. 

th?id=OIP.ShkVZzMKpFxk0X4K0AyM8QHaDt&pid=Api&P=0&w=357&h=179

Doug

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AOC has proposed shifting the US economy to WWS (Wind/Water/Solar) by 2030.

Can't be done.

 

But we might be able to do it by 2050.  Today we are generating about 7% of our electricity with about 60,000 wind turbines.  We will need to quadruple that number ASAP.  That's 180,000 wind turbines at $3 million each.  That's $540 billion.    That's one heck of an economic boost and it is a whole lot cheaper than our 20-year war in the mid-east ($5 trillion and still growing).  So going green creates jobs.

Eventually, we will probably need around $1.44 trillion dollars in windmills.  But that's only 60% of our power.  Solar will have a contribution to make, though we're not really sure what that will be.  Solar systems are just coming on line and we don't have much operational data yet.  Hydro, geothermal, perhaps a little biomass will make contributions.  The big benefit will not be so much in reducing CO2 in the short run as it will be in reducing pollution - did you hear about that big solar spill?

 

The big weakness in AOC's resolution - it's not a bill, law, or even a plan, yet - is that some of the needed technologies don't exist - and some may never exist.  We need a major research effort into an armload of different prospects and ten years is not going to be enough time to get it all done, even if we get the funding.

 

AND:  her proposal to apply cap-and-trade to carbon is probably going to fail.  Cap-and-trade does not work with carbon.  But we might try a carbon fee system that returns money to the citizen, rather than treating it as another source of tax revenue.

 

So she's on the right track, sort of.  Instead of calling her names, we need to get her on course and then start pushing.

Doug

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On 7/18/2019 at 4:31 PM, Doug1o29 said:

Warming is greatest in dry deserts and the continental Arctic.

This is what you said, and I've shown that to be incorrect in Alaska. 

52 minutes ago, Doug1o29 said:

Actually, no.  You've shown that there is some warming along the coasts of Alaska.

Right, that is where you said it would not be. i.e. I refuted your statement.

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5 hours ago, Doug1o29 said:

Actually, no.  You've shown that there is some warming along the coasts of Alaska.  I have used your posted map to show that there is also warming in the interior.  There are several stations between the coast and the interior that show cooling - interesting.  Neither of us has shown anything about the situation in the Candian Arctic or Siberia.  However, the PRISM Climate Group has climate data for gridpoints across the US and Canada.  They don't quite reach the Arctic, but Gridpoint 5 falls somewhere in the vicinity of Athabaska.  I haven't assembled the charts for it, but if you care to, it would p

 

Go back and read some of this thread.  We've discussed why most of what you're saying doesn't hold up.  Then come back and we can talk about it.

Here's a map of some of the world's weather stations.  Those and about 10,000 more are where the data is coming from. 

th?id=OIP.ShkVZzMKpFxk0X4K0AyM8QHaDt&pid=Api&P=0&w=357&h=179

Doug

Democrats and common sense do not go hand in hand, the data you mentioned is not the only soul stand alone, be all, written in stone " Proof ", not to mention that those scientists who do believe in this hoax have been outted by other scientists .

 

Now the only thing you have left is to just keep screaming and crying about proof.

proof proof show me proof i showed you this you show me proof.

 

The pretext is you want people to believe that proof that counters what you have shown is going to matter, that is another misnomer with democrats.

I could spend a minute to two days, digging up factual based proof that your opinion is not only junk science opinion based and that what ever was posted earlier is either biased or outdated or proven to be something else completely different than what you have posted. It just wont matter.  God, Satan, and ETs could come out of the blue, and show you and every global warming climate change hoax believer in the democrat party all the proof in the universe to show how it is crap and it wouldnt be enough.

So maybe to change it around, first you would have to establish why I should bother proving to you personally why it is all a hoax, then you would have to list for me an others exactly what to you constitutes as undeniable proof that you would actually accept. But then you would also have to explain why on earth would I do the work for you when you have already done just a tiny bit of work to find " Proof " to support a hoax you believe in. Then try to explain why you are just too busy to find . do the research that you want to your standard  that proves it is all a hoax.   But sure what ever i'll bite, I'll post a few things that have already been addressed, 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/10-times-experts-predicted-the-world-would-end-by-now

Al Gore

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/how-al-gore-built-the-global-warming-fraud

https://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Nation-of-Islam/2010/02/28/id/351179/

and just a general article against climate change / global warming hoax

https://www.dailywire.com/news/9767/9-things-you-need-know-about-climate-change-hoax-aaron-bandler

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/09/nolte-scientists-prove-man-made-global-warming-is-a-hoax/

 

2009 article

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/6748-ipcc-researchers-admit-global-warming-fraud

and one more

https://www.inquisitr.com/1234575/nasa-scientist-global-warming-is-nonsense/

Now see here is the fun part, I personally do not have to do the work for you to prove any of this is a total hoax, created by the new socialist party in America to dumb down and scare its voter base.    

There are endless articles that have been fact checked  by people with solid reputations on how and why it is all a hoax. The work and proof is all out there, you just have to decide if ya want to believe it or not. 99% of democrat/socialists in America are not going to believe it, because that means they have to admit they have been duped, which means they are stupid and easily lead by the nose and that means utter embarrassment on top of also meaning conservatives and everyone else who said it is a hoax is right. An that means losing the argument to which leftists see only as a gotcha game of we gotta beat those evil, racist, homophobic, facists, God fearing, gun toting conservatives or really just the rest of America in general. 

The other truth is America isn't as evil and stupid as the dem/socialist party wants the world to believe, if it was a real threat, which it isn't  we would gladly hop on board to stop the problem and find real solutions. More over, we wouldn't just blame America as being the entire cause of it all. 

 

You want some real proof on a problem the world has..

This is as physical as it gets,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch

IF the left gave a flying rats turd, this is what they would be harping on and begging the world , not just America to fix. An not wetting themselves every time a Polar bear gets sick over natural causes, then screams America killed another polar bear and that ice bergs melting are because someone drove an SUV. All the mean while, what are the left doing ? Living their lives as normal, driving the exact same polluting vehicles they dont want Americans driving, flying in private planes and buying the same high end garbage clothing made in sweat shops across the world. Meaning they are just hypocrites.

But again it just doesnt matter to you or them. Because to you an them it is just a game, an in their mind, because they found say maybe on a good day, 100 scientists that agree with them and will post what they say is proof of man made global warming and climate change, that is all they need. Forget the rest of the entire scientific community that gives very valid reasons why it is all wrong because they have their small pack that says other wise.  An just remember it is a political game an even though they lose and get caught with their pants down an ass in the wind. They just don't care. They will constantly and never endlessly harp on the same hoax this is till we die an new generations come about. It is the same with all their causes, from fair wages, abortion, reparations,  what ever it is just a game to them, and if they can fool some people just once, that is all they need to say they are right, forever and until the end of time. They are more concerned with " winning " and remodeling America into their own view of a utopic hell than they are concerned about actually doing anything that really matters like with the Great Pacific garbage patch, or curing cancer or aids.

Next failure of climate chage is in 12 years, A.O.C

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/426353-ocasio-cortez-the-world-will-end-in-12-years-if-we-dont-address

See you in 12 years when the world doesn't end because of climate change, should be interesting on AOCs opinion in 12 years on why she was wrong. Perhaps she will claim that climate change was racist and decided not to destroy the world just to make her look bad.

 

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