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Possible evidence of the Exodus found in Jordan

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Minimalists
On 9/27/2018 at 10:24 AM, Grandpa Greenman said:

Biblical Archaeology Society,  might be a bit on the bias side.  

Conformation biased....I don't believe the Jews were ever in Egypt...

 

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Piney
1 hour ago, Alien Origins said:

Conformation biased....I don't believe the Jews were ever in Egypt...

 

Neither does any Israeli archaeologist or Rabbinical Scholar. :yes:  

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Grandpa Greenman
3 hours ago, Alien Origins said:

Conformation biased....I don't believe the Jews were ever in Egypt...

 

At the time they are speaking of, I believe, Canaan was a subject of Egypt.  So if they did leave Egypt they essentially ran away to Egypt.  

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Piney
32 minutes ago, Grandpa Greenman said:

At the time they are speaking of, I believe, Canaan was a subject of Egypt.  So if they did leave Egypt they essentially ran away to Egypt.  

You just gave me a thought. Perhaps it was a memory of their subjugation and they exaggerated like story tellers do.

The Indo-European gods started out as deified ancestors. Look what they became when recorded history began. 

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kmt_sesh
On September 30, 2018 at 5:39 AM, Alien Origins said:

Conformation biased....I don't believe the Jews were ever in Egypt...

 

 

On September 30, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Piney said:

Neither does any Israeli archaeologist or Rabbinical Scholar. :yes:  

They certainly weren't there in 1400 BCE, but there was a sizable Jewish enclave in the Elephantine region of Egypt in the Late Period. This was probably the result of Nebuchadnezzar's sacking of Jerusalem and environs in 589 BCE. The Jews scattered, and a lot of them ended up in Egypt. Many joined the ranks of pharaoh's army, and many were merchants in the Elephantine area. They even built their own temple to Yahweh there. Quite a lot of texts and records survive from the Jewish enclave.

The big problem for the Jewish folks in Elephantine was their habit of sacrificing rams in their temple, which had been the Jewish way for centuries. This was pretty terrible from the perspective of Egyptians in that area, where one of the most important deities was Khnum—a ram-headed god. The Egyptians viewed the Jewish sacrifices as deicide, and they ended up destroying the Jewish temple and chasing away the Jewish population. After that many Jews settled in Alexandria, at the far north end of the country.

So many Jews were certainly there, but not in the Late Bronze Age. We see them emerging on the world stage in the Early Iron Age. and the article kind of hints at this—with new sites popping up in that area of the Levant in the Iron Age. That's historically accurate, and some of the very earliest in the Iron Age can be identified as potentially Hebraic. But the article takes it way too far. Calling these sites "proof" of Exodus is a reckless exaggeration. This smacks of some guys hoping to garner attention and further funding.

There's your pedantic history lesson for the day. You can all wake up now. :D

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kmt_sesh
On September 30, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Grandpa Greenman said:

At the time they are speaking of, I believe, Canaan was a subject of Egypt.  So if they did leave Egypt they essentially ran away to Egypt.  

In the timeframe of 1400 BCEm the Levant was definitely under the sway of Egyptian hegemony. But it didn't stay that way. In the several centuries following that. Egypt lost a lot of control of the Levant. Other empires like the Hittites deeply encroached on former Egyptian vassals, and even Ramesses II couldn't do much about it (although he tried). By around 1100 BCE the Egyptian New Kingdom had crumbled, and many of the great kingdoms in that region had fallen. This created the power vacuum that allowed smaller, minor kingdoms to rise—including the Hebrews. By 1000 BCE the Hebrews were starting to form a nascent kingdom. Biblically speaking, this would be the time of David and Solomon.

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C L Palmer

There's a good deal of transitional Egyptian-to-Hebrew graffiti in Sinai as well. This isn't the first evidence they've ever found; far from it. https://jabalmaqla.com/proto-hebrew-inscriptions-area-mount-sinai/

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stereologist
43 minutes ago, C L Palmer said:

There's a good deal of transitional Egyptian-to-Hebrew graffiti in Sinai as well. This isn't the first evidence they've ever found; far from it. https://jabalmaqla.com/proto-hebrew-inscriptions-area-mount-sinai/

There seems to be some problems with that site. They propose that the Exodus crossing was at Neweibaa. That has been analyzed by other people such as this group.

http://migdolbook.com/crossing-red-sea-aqaba-no.html

Here is the Doubting Thomas claim

https://jabalmaqla.com/israelites-red-sea-crossing-location/

The problem is that it is not what is stated.

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Research also revealed the Nuweiba “land bridge”, which appears to be a natural formation at a depth of around 33 metres that would allow the Israelites to walk across.

https://globalnewseveryday.com/bible-scholars-find-red-sea-crossing-site-from-egypt-to-saudi-arabia/

They reported a value they do not have on their website that is nowhere close to what is the correct value. They are 750m off - a sizeable amount.

 

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The underwater ridge at Nuweiba was never a realistic possibility, anyway. The sill depth at Nuweiba is 780 meters (2,560 feet). 

A name that also pops up often is the name Ron Wyatt. He is rather infamous for simply making things up. Such as the the chariot wheels story. It is the normal shape of the coral. 

 

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NotAlien7
On 9/28/2018 at 12:03 PM, paperdyer said:

Well I'm not very religious, much to my Mother's chagrin, but I tend to treat the Bible as a history book.  However, the stories probably were passed down from generation to generation akin to the Native Americans.  Events get modified, dramatized, embellished, etc. until they get written down where some more editing takes place.  Parables become facts and once written stay facts and are taught for so long that, even when proof otherwise is shown, the true believers still believe.  It all comes back to one's perception becomes their reality.

Exactly when was proof otherwise shown.

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Jodie.Lynne
On 9/27/2018 at 10:35 PM, qxcontinuum said:

There are Egyptian historical writings, indicating the existence of white skin and colored eyes slaves from the Semitic tribes.

Please cite your non-Christian sources for this claim.

 

And aren't 'white coloured eyed' people zombies?

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Jodie.Lynne
On 9/27/2018 at 11:24 PM, Tatetopa said:

Must have been wandering Tuatha de Danan who later settled in Ireland.

We do tend to get around. ;)

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qxcontinuum
3 hours ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Please cite your non-Christian sources for this claim.

 

And aren't 'white coloured eyed' people zombies?

You've cut an essential word from my phrase while adding quotations. This makes you a liar. 

 

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Jodie.Lynne
On 9/27/2018 at 10:35 PM, qxcontinuum said:

indicating the existence of white skin and colored eyes slaves

I cut nothing.

Your poor sentence structure indicates that slaves existed with white skin and white coloured eyes.

It isn't my fault if you can't express your thoughts properly.

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Jodie.Lynne
6 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

You've cut an essential word from my phrase while adding quotations. This makes you a liar. 

 

And you've yet to provide a source for your claim. 

So who is the liar?

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Piney
56 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Your poor sentence structure indicates that slaves existed with white skin and white coloured eyes.

 

They said "Semitic" slaves with white skin.....no..... Semites are dark

But several of the Sea Peoples were Indo-European and captured as slaves in their war with the Egyptians, but they were of a Mediterranean hue even though some had brown hair (Iranics). No gingers or blonds among them. 

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Jodie.Lynne
1 minute ago, Piney said:

They said "Semitic" slaves with white skin.....no..... Semites are dark

Exactly. There are light skinned Semitics today, due to exposure to other ethic groups. 

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Piney
1 minute ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Exactly. There are light skinned Semitics today, due to exposure to other ethic groups. 

Not a lot. Only the few that mixed with Iranians and that's rare. 

Jews are not "Semites". They are a religion now. Not a ethnic group anymore and European Jews have European genes. Even the ones in Israel. Palestinians on the other hand are Semites. . 

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Piney
18 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Exactly. There are light skinned Semitics today, due to exposure to other ethic groups. 

Syrians and Lebanese are also Semites, and you don't see many light skinned ones. 

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Harte
8 hours ago, Piney said:

Syrians and Lebanese are also Semites, and you don't see many light skinned ones. 

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Harte

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Piney
20 minutes ago, Harte said:

Harte

Anemia and lack of sunlight doesn't count. :yes:

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qxcontinuum
Posted (edited)
22 hours ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

And you've yet to provide a source for your claim. 

So who is the liar?

 

21 hours ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Exactly. There are light skinned Semitics today, due to exposure to other ethic groups. 

You're not just a liar by changing other ppl sentences to match your own intentions , but lazy to research too:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-blue-eyed-people-came-to-israel-6500-years-ago-from-iran-dna-shows/amp/

 

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cormac mac airt
Posted (edited)
18 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

You're not just a liar by changing other ppl sentences to match your own intentions , but lazy to research too:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-blue-eyed-people-came-to-israel-6500-years-ago-from-iran-dna-shows/amp/

That’s neither evidence of Egyptian historical writings nor evidence of Semitic peoples with white skin. It IS evidence of someone with Indo-Iranian ancestry which is NOT the same thing. 

cormac

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Piney
6 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

That’s neither evidence of Egyptian historical writings nor evidence of Semitic peoples with white skin. It IS evidence of someone with Indo-Iranian ancestry which is NOT the same thing. 

cormac

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture

The dates are a little off. It could of also been Anatolian Neolithic farmers who were related to the Basques and Corsicans. But the artifacts do look BMAC. 

 

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cormac mac airt
8 minutes ago, Piney said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture

The dates are a little off. It could of also been Anatolian Neolithic farmers who were related to the Basques and Corsicans. But the artifacts do look BMAC. 

 

Now let’s see if qx ponies up and takes responsibility for posting something that contradicts what he claimed. 

cormac

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Kenemet
51 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

You're not just a liar by changing other ppl sentences to match your own intentions , but lazy to research too:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-blue-eyed-people-came-to-israel-6500-years-ago-from-iran-dna-shows/amp/

The Times of Israel didn't do a very good job of reporting on the original paper, which is here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05649-9

Although the allele may be common, blue eyes is a homozygous trait; heterozygous individuals (which would be most of them) have brown, gray, green, or hazel eyes which are fairly common in the area.  As to "white skin", technically anyone in the Levant is white-skinned. though the paper says "... any inferences about skin pigmentation based on allele frequencies observed at a single site need to be viewed with caution"

As to your statement,

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...white skin and colored eyes slaves from the Semitic tribes.

Ancient Egyptians didn't remark on the color of anyone's skin... and certainly not on the skin of slaves.  Slaves weren't very common in Egypt (the peasant population was essentially home-grown slaves) until late in the New Kingdom and the largest population was found around the time of Cleopatra.  Most slaves were Egyptian criminals or prisoners of war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt

If you are referring to the image in the tomb of Seti I:

Races2.jpg

it's showing four Libyans, one Nubian, one "Asiatic" and one Egyptian.  None of them are slaves and none are Israelites/Hebrews.

 

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