Will Kavanaugh get the nod?

[Farmer77]

15 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Actually, he was advised to cut loose like that and give'm what for, but go ahead laugh through your tears.

 I have no doubt he was advised to act like that. That, that doesnt make it better

[Gromdor]

2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Yes, but that was a "proven" allegation, factual and known. If someone accused you of the same but couldn't prove it, would you resign, "for the good of the company?"

I would be driven out because I would cost the company business. There have been other instances of people who were driven out because of unproven allegations.  To get in a situation where the allegations could even be seriously considered is grounds enough for termination.  People are a renewable resource after all.  There is no need to commit to one that is possibly rotten.

[+Hammerclaw]

Just now, Farmer77 said:

 I have no doubt he was advised to act like that. That, that doesnt make it better

Well, that depends on one's point-of-view and from that of his supporters, he did just fine

[Farmer77]

10 minutes ago, OverSword said:

You do know that John Oliver is just a comedian, right.   That's somewhat like saying HEADLINE: "Farmer77 unloads on Republicans, Fox News Over Kavanaugh-Soros Conspiracy"

Of course but if people can post videos from Tucker Carlson during a political conversation surely John Oliver is acceptable.

The "dark money" special interest part is really why I posted it btw

[+Hammerclaw]

1 minute ago, Gromdor said:

I would be driven out because I would cost the company business. There have been other instances of people who were driven out because of unproven allegations.  To get in a situation where the allegations could even be seriously considered is grounds enough for termination.  People are a renewable resource after all.  There is no need to commit to one that is possibly rotten.

Oh, sure you would and live with that mark of shame for the rest of your life, false though it was? I don't think you're that weak-willed.

[aztek]

Just now, Gromdor said:

I would be driven out because I would cost the company business. There have been other instances of people who were driven out because of unproven allegations.  To get in a situation where the allegations could even be seriously considered is grounds enough for termination.  People are a renewable resource after all.  There is no need to commit to one that is possibly rotten.

and that is exactly what is wrong with our society, and i think it started being that rotten in few last decades, and i have no one else to blame but liberals.

see, anyway you look liberalism is a cancer. there is absolutely noting good associated with it.

[+OverSword]

Personally I've never been more disgusted with both of the main parties.  I would like to encourage others to choose, as I did decades ago, an alternate party that most closely reflects their personal beliefs.  I know the main obstacle to accomplishing this is fear.   But be honest, most of us haven't voted for anyone in quite some time, you've voted against the person you most feared would take office.  Get over your fear and encourage change in our government by going Green or Libertarian or some other party.  Why must every vote be down to a near 50 - 50 decision on things that don't reflect the true beliefs of even 20 percent of us?  Don't let fear rule your vote any longer.  Vote the way you actually feel instead of the way you feel obligated to vote or believe because some paid pundit on TV told you to.

Edited October 8, 2018 by OverSword

[+Hammerclaw]

3 minutes ago, aztek said:

and that is exactly what is wrong with our society, and i think it started being that rotten in few last decades, and i have no one else to blame but liberals.

see, anyway you look liberalism is a cancer. there is absolutely noting good associated with it.

I'd respectfully disagree; there's enough extremism to go around. People say they're against socialism but don't you dare take their "Social Security" away.

[+OverSword]

7 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Of course but if people can post videos from Tucker Carlson during a political conversation surely John Oliver is acceptable.

Fair enough!

[Gromdor]

1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

Oh, sure you would and live with that mark of shame for the rest of your life, false though it was? I don't think you're that weak-willed.

It has to happen before I can say what the result will be.  Another corporate fact- and one that applies to Kavanaugh, the higher you are in the hierarchy, the less the rules apply to you.  

 

3 minutes ago, aztek said:

and that is exactly what is wrong with our society, and i think it started being that rotten in few last decades, and i have no one else to blame but liberals.

see, anyway you look liberalism is a cancer. there is absolutely noting good associated with it.

Yeah, you are probably right.  Well except about the liberalism part.  People have been reduced to renewable resources.  I think it's merely a by product of capitalism.  Everything is for sale and everything has a value.  Even human life.

Right now people really only serve two purposes. Consumers and labor.  Liberals these days seem to care about feelings and what not.  But they are just met with scorn.  It seems the conservatives are the ones who dehumanize people the most.  The poor, immigrants, labor, etc.  But I guess all this is another topic.

[Farmer77]

4 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Personally I've never been more disgusted with both of the main parties.  I would like to encourage others to choose, as I did decades ago, an alternate party that most closely reflects their personal beliefs.  I know the main obstacle to accomplishing this is fear.   But be honest, most of us haven't voted for anyone in quite some time, you've voted against the person you most feared would take office.  Get over your fear and encourage change in our government by going Green or Libertarian.  Why must ever vote be down to a near 50 - 50 decision on things that don't reflect the true beliefs of even 20 percent of us?  Don't let fear rule your vote any longer.  Vote the way you actually feel instead of the way you feel obligated to vote or believe because some paid pundit on TV told you to.

This is how ive voted for years. I agree wholeheartedly that both parties are incredibly dangerous and damaging for America.

These upcoming cycles however I will be voting full democrat party line as the Trumpians have proven themselves a large enough danger to America that its not worth taking the chance on a "throw away" vote, IMO of course

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Farmer77

[+Hammerclaw]

1 minute ago, Gromdor said:

It has to happen before I can say what the result will be.  Another corporate fact- and one that applies to Kavanaugh, the higher you are in the hierarchy, the less the rules apply to you.  

 

Yeah, you are probably right.  Well except about the liberalism part.  People have been reduced to renewable resources.  I think it's merely a by product of capitalism.  Everything is for sale and everything has a value.  Even human life.

Right now people really only serve two purposes. Consumers and labor.  Liberals these days seem to care about feelings and what not.  But they are just met with scorn.  It seems the conservatives are the ones who dehumanize people the most.  The poor, immigrants, labor, etc.  But I guess all this is another topic.

Not so much, it's just that lately, people eschew the common ground they all share in favor of extreme positions.

[Gromdor]

1 minute ago, Farmer77 said:

This is how ive voted for years. I agree wholeheartedly that both parties are incredibly dangerous and damaging for America.

These upcoming cycles however I will be voting full democrat party line as the Trumpians have proven themselves a large enough danger to America that its not worth taking the chance on a "throw away" vote.

 

Yeah, I hear you.  I was thinking about voting Dem this year, but sheesh, they are just as bad as the Repubs it seems. 

[Farmer77]

Just now, Gromdor said:

Yeah, I hear you.  I was thinking about voting Dem this year, but sheesh, they are just as bad as the Repubs it seems. 

Yeah I agree and im positive ill be wishing we had better options if or when the folks I vote for are in office.

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

This is how ive voted for years. I agree wholeheartedly that both parties are incredibly dangerous and damaging for America.

These upcoming cycles however I will be voting full democrat party line as the Trumpians have proven themselves a large enough danger to America that its not worth taking the chance on a "throw away" vote, IMO of course

 

Every vote is a throw away vote if you're voting democrat or republican and you actually identify as some other party.  For instance, you're in CA, right?  What are the chances of a democrat not being elected by your district in a federal election?  Pretty much zero, as it is here.  The only way I waste my vote is to not vote how I actually feel.  You are voting out of fear and wasting your vote if you vote democratic just to stop Trump rather than voting Green and lending more power to a party you may actually believe may change and improve things.

[TigerBright19]

2068

 

 

[aztek]

13 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

 

Yeah, you are probably right.  Well except about the liberalism part.  People have been reduced to renewable resources.  I think it's merely a by product of capitalism.  Everything is for sale and everything has a value.  Even human life.

Right now people really only serve two purposes. Consumers and labor.  Liberals these days seem to care about feelings and what not.  But they are just met with scorn.  It seems the conservatives are the ones who dehumanize people the most.  The poor, immigrants, labor, etc.  But I guess all this is another topic.

i was talking about something different,  emotions and feelings put ahead of logic and facts. it has nothing to do with capitalism, and everything with liberalism

idk what world you live in but in mine conservatives do not dehumanize anyone, they're too busy defending against baseless liberal lies. and constant character assassinations.

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by aztek

[Farmer77]

Just now, OverSword said:

For instance, you're in CA, right?

Im on the border, registered to vote in AZ.....which definitely means any votes for a dem will be thrown away

I actually live in an uber conservative town.

Just now, OverSword said:

You are voting out of fear and wasting your vote if you vote democratic just to stop Trump rather than voting Green and lending more power to a party you may actually believe may change and improve things.

See for me the largest issue is the culture which Trump and company are creating. I dont think im talking about the classic "culture wars" but perhaps im wrong. What im referring to is the culture that celebrates ignorance. The culture that rules by fear, says demeaning folks is OK (to aid the ruling by fear thing) , says facts arent important, and believes that science is based solely on opinion. When you combine that mindset with the already existing degradation of our checks and balances and respect for the system you're creating the perfect conditions for tyranny and hardship that would take generations from our nation to recover from, if at all. Please allow me to present Qanon as exhibit A https://twitter.com/hashtag/qanon?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^hashtag

Sure the dems will eventually get there but right now we have (i need a thesaurus I was about to type oodles, take my away man card) tons of candidates around the country who are copying the tactics designed by Cambridge Analytica for POTUS and stopping them now has become the priority.

 

[+OverSword]

7 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Please allow me to present Qanon as exhibit A

And once again let me just say that my liberal friends are the only people I know who ever heard of Qanon.

IMO if you actually identify with a third party more than one of the main two then the only way you can ever hope to make a difference is by supporting and voting for that third party.

[Farmer77]

Just now, OverSword said:

IMO if you actually identify with a third party more than one of the main two then the only way you can ever hope to make a difference is by supporting and voting for that third party.

Ive got nothing but respect for that position!

[Farmer77]

An interesting read

Scary to be a man: Minorities have known forever what Kavanaugh just helped Trump discover

Quote

Such outrage at false accusations, such respect for the presumption of innocence, would have been highly appreciated, I suspect, by the parents of the young men wrongly accused three decades ago of a brutal sexual assault in New York’s Central Park. Instead, Donald Trump led a lynch mob calling for their scalps. He took out full-page ads in New York newspapers arguing that they should be “forced to suffer.” Decades later, Trump continued to lambast the men after they were released from prison — their innocence indisputably established through DNA tests and the confession of the actual culprit.

People, of course, have every right to change their views. If Trump now believes that all people are owed the presumption of innocence, I welcome his transformation. Indeed, this very fraught moment, in which powerful men are being widely accused of misconduct, offers perhaps a perfect time for society to sort out what the presumption of innocence should mean.

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Farmer77

[ian hacktorp]

35 minutes ago, OverSword said:

And once again let me just say that my liberal friends are the only people I know who ever heard of Qanon.

I'm seeing this as well.  Everything I've heard about so-called qanon comes from people who seem bent on trying to convince everyone it doesn't exist.  Weird.

Farmer...can you explain your obsession with qanon?

Edited October 8, 2018 by hacktorp

[Farmer77]

20 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Farmer...can you explain your obsession with this qanon?

Sure. I started following Q shortly after they first appeared on the scene. I recognized quite early on that they were using the same hyperbole that Cambridge Analytica designed for Trump and I knew that there was a good chance that the conspiratorial minded Trump voters would flock to it because the entire thing is set up to justify their deepest held beliefs and biases.

Sure enough Q has blown up and now Q followers fill Trump rallies, concurrently those beliefs and that hyperbole have morphed into a truly dangerous movement which has convinced its followers that anyone opposed to trump is a satanist pedophile - aka dehumanizing them. Considering how closely this coincides with the publicly held beliefs of Trump and his supporters this is a dangerous step. Now Qanon supporters are actively calling for martial law so that anyone who criticizes the dear leader can be round up and executed.

My awareness (wouldnt quite say obsession) is because that crowd, which is growing by the day, is openly blood thirsty and only a half bubble off plumb from mainstream Trumpian views and its a dangerous situation.

20 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

I'm seeing this as well.  Everything I've heard about so-called qanon comes from people who try to convince everyone it doesn't exist.  Weird.

Personally Ive come to think Q probably exists  my guess is its someone with access to Cambridge Analytica's gameplan for Trump who is keeping the faithful wound up.(Trump Jr, Eric maybe?)

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Farmer77

[Agent0range]

52 minutes ago, OverSword said:

And once again let me just say that my liberal friends are the only people I know who ever heard of Qanon.

IMO if you actually identify with a third party more than one of the main two then the only way you can ever hope to make a difference is by supporting and voting for that third party.

In my opinion, that is the problem.  The liberals know about it, but it's the conservatives who are sharing their posts on Facebook because they don't know about the source.

[Farmer77]

14 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

The liberals know about it, but it's the conservatives who are sharing their posts on Facebook because they don't know about the source.

Thats an excellent point that I should have added in my post above. Ive watched it happen not just with social media but with what folks post as reputable news organizations.

Edited October 8, 2018 by Farmer77