Elizabeth Warren running for President?

[aztek]

everyone takes advantage of LEGAL loopholes in tax laws.  it is neither crime, nor wrong.

i can even entertain possibility that warren really has 1\1000th of Indian blood, but........ WHO CARES.  it does not make her any better, the whole idea of bringing it up as something positive for her actually did make her worst.

Edited October 17, 2018 by aztek

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, DieChecker said:

Supposedly the state of NY is investigating this.

That and more....(Sorry I was just reading this and didnt want to start a thread) FBI Investigating Whether Manhattan DA Who Refused to Prosecute Ivanka and Trump Jr Took Bribes: Report Cy Vance Jr. overruled his own prosecutors to clear the Trump children.

 

 

[+DieChecker]

20 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I do but I live in what I would consider a hyper partisan area.

Aside from the day to day results though im really referring to the tactic. It worked beautifully in 2016 and rather intelligently the Trump campaign never stopped campaigning.

Think about the key issues for a moment : Fear of Mexicans coming across the border, fear of muslim terrorists, fear of "deep state" rigging the election, fear of other economies doing better than us  and now fear of democrat "mobs"

Even if "Fear" isnt the emotion you are feeling up front the entire conversation regarding policy issues has been driven by fear.

I live right next to Mexicans. Literally. And they aren't scared. They love this booming economy. Deportations are down, I believe. There is a difference in fear mongering on TV and how people feel on the ground. 

Likewise, I work with Muslims at Intel almost daily, and few of them seem scared of Trump. Is there lots of antiMuslim rallies, article, and activities going on that I don't know about? Did the Ban on Muslims ever materialize, or was it only those Terror Countries that are banned.

I feel calling out "fear and anger" is just smoke and mirrors, and only the hyper partisan really care. 99% of everyone else just does not believe it because they are not seeing it. It is a lot of BS, in my opinion.

Edited October 17, 2018 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

5 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

That and more....(Sorry I was just reading this and didnt want to start a thread) FBI Investigating Whether Manhattan DA Who Refused to Prosecute Ivanka and Trump Jr Took Bribes: Report Cy Vance Jr. overruled his own prosecutors to clear the Trump children.

So..... Trump's not getting away with it? Just like Warren isn't going to get away with what she has claimed.

Some will defend Warren, just as some will defend Trump.

[+DieChecker]

7 minutes ago, aztek said:

everyone takes advantage of LEGAL loopholes in tax laws.  it is neither crime, nor wrong.

i can even entertain possibility that warren really has 1\1000th of Indian blood, but........ WHO CARES.  it does not make her any better, the whole idea of bringing it up as something positive for her actually did make her worst.

Another example where Identity Politics is just plain ridiculous. 

[Farmer77]

5 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I live right next to Mexicans. Literally. And the aren't scared. They love this booming economy. Deportations are down, I believe. There is a difference in fear mongering on TV and how people feel on the ground. 

Likewise, I work with Muslims at Intel almost daily, and few of them seem scared of Trump. Is the lots of antiMuslim rallies, article, and activities going on that I don't know about? Did the Ban on Muslims ever materialize, or was it only those Terror Countries that are banned.

I think you're missing my point. The goal is to keep the Trump voter scared and angry. Scared of illegal immigrants, scared of muslim terrorists, scared of the Chinese economy, and they have carefully been crafting this "violent left" narrative for months to keep the Trump voter scared and angry over a new (if well known) boogieman.

Again I live in a hyper partisan area but the local GOP campaign ads are honestly reaching "Reefer Madness" level of fear mongering and complete bull**** and its simply a continuation of the campaign strategy Cambridge Analytica gave to Trump.

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I feel saying "fear and anger" is just smoke and mirrors, and only the hyper partisan really care. 99% of everyone else just does not believe it because they are not seeing it. It is a lot of BS, I my opinion.

Scared and angry people dont do much critical thinking  (like conservatives not asking WTF happened to fiscal conservatism or Christians voting for a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars) so they vote for the strong man who promises to keep them safe.

Sound familiar at all?

 

Edited October 17, 2018 by Farmer77

[Farmer77]

3 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

So..... Trump's not getting away with it? Just like Warren isn't going to get away with what she has claimed.

That link was about a DA taking bribes in NY, apparently he at one point overruled his own prosecutors to give JeVanka a pass on something. IDK that Donald is actually involved in that one at all.

 

Edited October 17, 2018 by Farmer77

[aztek]

lol, just because  they investigate does not mean it happened.  it is not the first investigation like that involving  trump that  is nothing but a bogus witch hunt.

[Michelle]

19 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

I see fear and anger on the Liberal side. Republican side? I just don't see it either.

That's like the people that think most Republicans are following Qanon or whoever they are. I don't know one that has ever even heard of them much less follows them or agrees with them. Whoever they are have put the fear of god into the left though. 

[+DieChecker]

4 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I think you're missing my point. The goal is to keep the Trump voter scared and angry. Scared of illegal immigrants, scared of muslim terrorists, scared of the Chinese economy, and they have carefully been crafting this "violent left" narrative for months to keep the Trump voter scared and angry over a new (if well known) boogieman.

Again I live in a hyper partisan area but the local GOP campaign ads are honestly reaching "Reefer Madness" level of fear mongering and complete bull**** and its simply a continuation of the campaign strategy Cambridge Analytica gave to Trump.

Scared and angry people dont do much critical thinking  (like conservatives not asking WTF happened to fiscal conservatism or Christians voting for a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars) so they vote for the strong man who promises to keep them safe.

Sound familiar at all?

 

I AM A Trump voter, and I don't see what you are laying down. The only place I see it us be regurgitated by MSNBC and CNN Editorial opinions.

Like I said, I live right next to Mexicans and we do not fear/hate each other. I work with Muslims and we don't hate/fear each other.

What you are saying is being done only exists in the Echo Chamber. It is not reflected in real life.

[ian hacktorp]

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

You mistake me fighting for common sense and decency as fighting for Warren.

I see.  Here's what writers for the Washington Post (yikes) are NOW starting to say about honesty, common sense, and decency:

Trump could be the most honest president in modern U.S. history

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But when it comes to the real barometer of presidential truthfulness - keeping his promises - Trump is a paragon of honesty. For better or worse, since taking office Trump has done exactly what he promised he would do.

http://theitem.com/stories/trump-could-be-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-us-history,316354

You know when WAPO starts fawning over Trump...Farmer77 won't be far behind!

[+DieChecker]

13 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Scared and angry people dont do much critical thinking  (like conservatives not asking WTF happened to fiscal conservatism or Christians voting for a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars) so they vote for the strong man who promises to keep them safe.

Sound familiar at all?

You are right about the financial conservatism. As to porn stars, and liars, Hillary was still the greater threat. And Trump would still be the better Christian choice considering Billy Boy, and his rapist history. Ideally neither should have been voted for or elected.

Edited October 17, 2018 by DieChecker
Fix autocorrect

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, DieChecker said:

What you are saying is being done only exists in the Echo Chamber. It is not reflected in real life.

Im really not sure why you're insistent im locked in an echo chamber. Odds are I read more conservative sites than you do, I just also take in liberal and centrist media as well.

It is reflected in real life. The data overwhelmingly shows why Trump was elected :

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/politics/trump-economic-anxiety.html

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A study published on Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences questions that explanation, the latest to suggest that Trump voters weren’t driven by anger over the past, but rather fear of what may come. White, Christian and male voters, the study suggests, turned to Mr. Trump because they felt their status was at risk.

 

5 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Like I said, I live right next to Mexicans and we do not fear/hate each other. I work with Muslims and we don't hate/fear each other.

Of course you dont. "You just want secure borders" because that mantra just organically worked its way into your brain right? Or you just want "extreme vetting" , despite the reality of the actual vetting process.

Like I said earlier, even if fear isnt in the forefront of your mind the issues which the party currently deems as important are being driven by their ability to create fear.

 

[Hawken]

2 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

You are right about the financial conservatism. As to open stars, and liars, Hillary wad still the greater threat. And Trump would still be the better Christian choice considering Billy Boy, and his rapist history. Ideally neither should have been voted for or elected.

I remember 4 choices on the 2016 ballet. Trump, Hillary, Johnson and Stein. But most Americans seem to choose the 2 main parties.

[Farmer77]

8 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

I see.  Here's what writers for the Washington Post (yikes) are NOW starting to say about honesty, common sense, and decency:

Trump could be the most honest president in modern U.S. history

http://theitem.com/stories/trump-could-be-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-us-history,316354

You know when WAPO starts fawning over Trump...Farmer77 won't be far behind!

Sigh....it was an op-ed, written by a republican. 

Is that why Trump supporters hate the media so much? They simply dont understand how it works?

Sorry I couldnt resist

Edited October 17, 2018 by Farmer77

[ian hacktorp]

17 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Sigh....it was an op-ed, written by a republican. 

Is that why Trump supporters hate the media so much? They simply dont understand how it works?

Lol...no problem...last I checked, WAPO is still owned by (former) never-Trumper and world's richest business man, Jeff Bezos.  Nothing (and I mean NOTHING) gets to press at WAPO without Bezos' approval.  And now you understand "how it works".

Many are speculating this shift in sentiment at WAPO has much to do with Trump having Bezos (and Amazon in particular) by the short and curlies...

[Vorg]

34 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Im really not sure why you're insistent im locked in an echo chamber. Odds are I read more conservative sites than you do, I just also take in liberal and centrist media as well.

It is reflected in real life. The data overwhelmingly shows why Trump was elected :

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/politics/trump-economic-anxiety.html

 

Of course you dont. "You just want secure borders" because that mantra just organically worked its way into your brain right? Or you just want "extreme vetting" , despite the reality of the actual vetting process.

Like I said earlier, even if fear isnt in the forefront of your mind the issues which the party currently deems as important are being driven by their ability to create fear.

 

I believe the real truth was not any of these things. I voted for Trump because he was not Hillary, period.

[Farmer77]

13 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Lol...no problem...last I checked, WAPO is still owned by (former) never-Trumper and world's richest business man, Jeff Bezos.  Nothing (and I mean NOTHING) gets to press at WAPO without Bezos' approval.  And now you understand "how it works".

So...I....umm... Goddamn our education system is in serious trouble.....

13 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Many are speculating this shift in sentiment at WAPO has much to do with Trump having Bezos (and Amazon in particular) by the short and curlies...

Dude it was an op-ed.  Here is one posted today that contradicts the one you posted: Trump is ‘the most honest president in modern history’? Give me a break.

Heres one from January I wasn’t a Trump supporter. I am now.  and here is a pro trump op ed from during the election : Does the Trump tape matter?

Just these alone disprove your notion that something has changed at WashPo but if you took the time to look you'd see many many more over the past two plus years.

Edited October 17, 2018 by Farmer77

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, South Alabam said:

I believe the real truth was not any of these things. I voted for Trump because he was not Hillary, period.

I wholly understand voting for Trump because of Hillary, but she's gone now, and you're still supporting him.

 

[Vorg]

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I wholly understand voting for Trump because of Hillary, but she's gone now, and you're still supporting him.

 

I've said many times I don't agree with Trump's mannerism or choice of words. But regardless, If I voted for him, just to see him impeached on some trumped up BS, totally voiding my vote, that was like a win for Hillary and the left. If he comes out of power next election, so be it.

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, South Alabam said:

I've said many times I don't agree with Trump's mannerism or choice of words. But regardless, If I voted for him, just to see him impeached on some trumped up BS, totally voiding my vote, that was like a win for Hillary and the left. If he comes out of power next election, so be it.

Honestly I kinda figured the GOP would have censured him into believing quitting was best by now. Thats part of why I think there is possibly some meat to the NRA/Russia story.

Im a little perplexed as to why people still claim its "trumped up BS" , i get believing Trump is innocent but there is just too much there there for the investigation to be "trumped up".  

[Vorg]

24 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Honestly I kinda figured the GOP would have censured him into believing quitting was best by now. Thats part of why I think there is possibly some meat to the NRA/Russia story.

Im a little perplexed as to why people still claim its "trumped up BS" , i get believing Trump is innocent but there is just too much there there for the investigation to be "trumped up".  

I was talking about every little thing as an excuse for impeaching him, not necessarily the Mueller investigation.

[Farmer77]

2 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

I was talking about every little thing as an excuse for impeaching him, not necessarily the Mueller investigation.

Man and I cant argue with that at all. It really frustrates the hell out of me to be honest.

The democrat's historic and current lunacy IMO has created an environment where they have become the boy who cried wolf and its entirely too easy to ignore legitimate concerns  among the cacophony of whining and finger pointing.

[Farmer77]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

I AM A Trump voter, and I don't see what you are laying down. T

Here is a good example of what im talking about from one of our members on another thread. There has been a pretty blatantly coordinated effort between the WH and foxnews to stoke fear of "violent liberals"  and the "democrat mob" and that effort has neatly mirrored other efforts at keeping the base scared.

 

 

Now if anyone is actually promoting the idea that its OK to do anything to a conservative surely they're as credible as any one of the pro trump nutjobs who have done the same regarding liberals yet there is a percentage of society who the story is going to tug at the heart strings and motivate to act.

 

[aztek]

NRA\Russia story? that is interesting , i never heard that one, has anyone?