California gun sales ban for people under 21

[Still Waters 36,321]

Most people under 21 won't be able to buy guns in California starting next year under a law Gov. Jerry Brown announced signing Friday.

It will prevent people under 21 from buying rifles and other types of guns. State law already bans people under 21 from buying handguns.

The new law exempts law enforcement, members of the military and people with hunting licenses from the restriction.

Democratic Sen. Anthony Portantino pointed to the shooting at a Florida high school earlier this year that killed 17 people as the reason for his bill banning gun sales and transfers to people under 21.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-gov-jerry-brown-signs-bill-banning-gun-sales-people-n915021

[third_eye 32,035]

Does this also means they are allowed to carry but not to purchase ?

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[lost_shaman 2,676]

1 hour ago, third_eye said:

Does this also means they are allowed to carry but not to purchase ?

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No. It doesn't matter what State you are in, if you can not purchase then you can not legally carry. 

Of course none of these laws stop criminals from carrying illegal guns, it only restricts non-criminals (your law abiding Citizen) from buying and carrying. 

Edited September 30, 2018 by lost_shaman

[Sir Wearer of Hats 28,164]

Well that makes sense, if you’re not allowed to vote or drink, you shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun.

[spartan max2 8,932]

3 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Well that makes sense, if you’re not allowed to vote or drink, you shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun.

Just want to point out you can vote at 18 lol

[Sir Wearer of Hats 28,164]

Just now, spartan max2 said:

Just want to point out you can vote at 18 lol

Thank you, I didn’t know that. 

[Michelle 19,386]

7 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Just want to point out you can vote at 18 lol

And join the military. The government will literally put a gun in your hands. 

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats 28,164]

18 minutes ago, Michelle said:

And join the military. The government will literally put a gun in your hands. 

 

Yes, well California would happily disband the military if it’s anything like how some folks here describe it.

[Impedancer 2,296]

Guns dont kill people i do :-p

[glorybebe 6,326]

It is the kids getting their parent's guns and on shooting sprees that have been taking out schools.  They need to have string repercussions for the parents who are negligent with safety. 

[spartan max2 8,932]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Thank you, I didn’t know that. 

I'm curious now, is the voting age in your country 21? 

[Black Red Devil 3,047]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm curious now, is the voting age in your country 21? 

No, 18, but people in Queensland vote with their feet so anything can happen there...

Just to add, that's a start and good news IMO (in relation to California's new gun laws).

Edited October 1, 2018 by Black Red Devil

[Sir Wearer of Hats 28,164]

6 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

No, 18, but people in Queensland vote with their feet so anything can happen there...

Just to add, that's a start and good news IMO (in relation to California's new gun laws).

How DARE you sir.

if we try and vote with out feet, it’ll risk dislodging the court mandated ankle-jewellery. We vote by spitting on the paper.

[Sir Wearer of Hats 28,164]

7 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm curious now, is the voting age in your country 21? 

Some people (aka idiot teenagers who still know everything) keep arguing it should be reduced to 16, because that’s when you start earning money therefore start contributing to the country.

[Myles 12,277]

I don't really have an issue with this.   I understand the push against it though.   What is next?   There is always a next step.

[aztek 17,761]

Just now, Myles said:

I don't really have an issue with this.   I understand the push against it though.   What is next?   There is always a next step.

end game is removal of the 2nd, and confiscation.

i have no issue either, it will just prove to be another useless restrictions, 12 year old gangsters in gettos will have guns regardless

[rashore 12,240]

On 9/30/2018 at 9:09 AM, Still Waters said:

Most people under 21 won't be able to buy guns in California starting next year under a law Gov. Jerry Brown announced signing Friday.

It will prevent people under 21 from buying rifles and other types of guns. State law already bans people under 21 from buying handguns.

The new law exempts law enforcement, members of the military and people with hunting licenses from the restriction.

Democratic Sen. Anthony Portantino pointed to the shooting at a Florida high school earlier this year that killed 17 people as the reason for his bill banning gun sales and transfers to people under 21.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-gov-jerry-brown-signs-bill-banning-gun-sales-people-n915021

I'm finding the exempts interesting. Law enforcement and military are kind of a no-duh in general in the U.S... and people with hunting licenses. I've been working at a place that sells hunting licenses and there are a lot of various options. So thought sharing California's hunting action would be good here.

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/licensing/hunting

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/licensing

[Dark_Grey 13,714]

27 minutes ago, aztek said:

end game is removal of the 2nd, and confiscation.

i have no issue either, it will just prove to be another useless restrictions, 12 year old gangsters in gettos will have guns regardless

It's hard to get excited about new gun laws that only address law abiding owners. Politicians aren't tackling the real problem, illegally bought/sold/owned guns, because they don't have a solution. 

[aztek 17,761]

Just now, rashore said:

I'm finding the exempts interesting. Law enforcement and military are kind of a no-duh in general in the U.S... and people with hunting licenses. I've been working at a place that sells hunting licenses and there are a lot of various options. So thought sharing California's hunting action would be good here.

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/licensing/hunting

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/licensing

A  hunting license is nothing but a certificate that you attended safety class and aware of rules. it has no bearing on your ability\right to own a gun.

[aztek 17,761]

Just now, Dark_Grey said:

It's hard to get excited about new gun laws that only address law abiding owners. Politicians aren't tackling the real problem, illegally bought/sold/owned guns, because they don't have a solution. 

they work at making an appearance of dealing with a problem, they could not care less about problem itself, but at least 25% of population believes them, and sees a law abiding gun owner as a problem.

Edited October 1, 2018 by aztek

[Dark_Grey 13,714]

6 minutes ago, aztek said:

they work at making an appearance of dealing with a problem, they could not care less about problem itself, but at least 25% of population believes them, and sees a law abiding gun owner as a problem.

They don't want to be accused of doing nothing to stop shootings but they can only go so far with Repubs in the way. I think you are right, though: most of them don't really care about a solution, they care about sound bites and election time.

[and then 32,216]

22 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Well that makes sense, if you’re not allowed to vote or drink, you shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun.

Most states allow the vote at 18 and telling someone at that age that they have no right to be able to defend their life in a place riddled with gangs, crime, drugs and a fair number of belligerent crazies is exactly what 2A was all about.  A citizen in this country who is at an age that is considered to be of majority for most legal purposes should not be restricted from firearms purchase or ownership.  But states seem to go their own way when dealing with the Constitution and the Feds aren't worried about spending the effort to hold them to account.  If politicians tried that in Alabama, they'd find new jobs as soon as their terms ended and most law enforcement would ignore the "law" until a legislature were seated that would change.  Otherwise, there would be bloodshed.   

[lost_shaman 2,676]

On 9/30/2018 at 5:38 PM, Michelle said:

And join the military. The government will literally put a gun in your hands. 

 

True, but they train you to use the guns. Also if you join the military at 18 you are allowed to buy beer on your Base, not sure about liquor.

[Gunn 4,406]

 9 out of 10 black market sellers probably agree with this law.

[psyche101 30,116]

On 10/1/2018 at 1:07 AM, lost_shaman said:

No. It doesn't matter what State you are in, if you can not purchase then you can not legally carry. 

Of course none of these laws stop criminals from carrying illegal guns, it only restricts non-criminals (your law abiding Citizen) from buying and carrying. 

So if the police see someone with a gun who looks under 21 they have the right to stop them and ask for ID and a license which I think would identify them pretty quickly, which has to be an advantage.