+and-then Posted November 28, 2018 #176 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Black Red Devil said: On top of that Trump has recently withdrawn all aid to the Palestinians If anything will ever bring their leaders to a peace table it will be the lack of donor money. Nothing else has ever worked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted November 28, 2018 #177 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Promises promises ... Quote ~ Of canons, pigeon poop, gazelle and deer ... [00.15:18] ~ - Quote ~ World War II Long served in the Wehrmacht during World War II, having the rank of Obergefreiter. During the Allied invasion of Sicily, Long was killed in action on 14 July 1943.[11] He was buried in the war cemetery of Motta Sant'Anastasia,[12] in Sicily. He was survived by two sons, Kai-Heinrich and Wolfgang. Kai was born on 13 November 1941 and Wolfgang was born on 30 May 1943, but died on 6 March 1944. Long and Owens corresponded after 1936. In his last letter, Long wrote to Owens and asked him to contact his son after the war and tell him about his father and "what times were like when we were not separated by war. I am saying—tell him how things can be between men on this earth".[13] After the war, Owens travelled to Germany to meet Kai Long, who is seen with Owens in the 1966 documentary Jesse Owens Returns to Berlin, where he is in conversation with Owens in the Berlin Olympic Stadium.[14][15][16] Owens later served as best man at Kai Long's wedding. ~ Wiki Link ~ Quote ~ Jewish Athletes — Marty Glickman & Sam Stoller Previous | Next A controversial move at the Games was the benching of two American Jewish runners, Marty Glickman and Sam Stoller. Both had trained for the 4x100-meter relay, but on the day before the event, they were replaced by Jesse Owens and Ralph Metcalfe, the team's two fastest sprinters. Various reasons were given for the change. The coaches claimed they needed their fastest runners to win the race. Glickman has said that Coach Dean Cromwell and Avery Brundage were motivated by antisemitism and the desire to spare the Führer the embarrassing sight of two American Jews on the winning podium. Stoller did not believe antisemitism was involved, but the 21-year-old described the incident in his diary as the "most humiliating episode" in his life. ~ United States Holocaust Memorial Museum LINK ~ Quote Later, on October 15, 1936, Owens repeated this allegation when he addressed an audience of African Americans at a Republican rally in Kansas City, remarking: "Hitler didn't snub me — it was our president who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram."[40][41] ~ After the games had ended, the entire Olympic team was invited to compete in Sweden. Owens decided to capitalize on his success by returning to the United States to take up some of the more lucrative endorsement offers. United States athletic officials were furious and withdrew his amateur status, which immediately ended his career. Owens was angry, saying, "A fellow desires something for himself."[55] Owens argued that the racial discrimination he had faced throughout his athletic career, such as not being eligible for scholarships in college and therefore being unable to take classes between training and working to pay his way, meant he had to give up on amateur athletics in pursuit of financial gain elsewhere.[56] Jesse Owens returned home from the 1936 Olympics with four gold medals and international fame, but there were no guarantees for his future prosperity. Racism was still prevalent in the United States, and he had difficulty finding work. He took on menial jobs as a gas station attendant, playground janitor, and manager of a dry cleaning firm. He also raced against amateurs and horses for cash.[57] ~ Wiki LINK ~ Promises .... promises ... ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted November 28, 2018 #178 Share Posted November 28, 2018 4 hours ago, and then said: If anything will ever bring their leaders to a peace table it will be the lack of donor money. Nothing else has ever worked. What will bring their leaders to the peace table is the removal of settlers. But this is like Martian talk for you isn't it? The only vision your myopic view will ever comprehend is the total removal of the Palestinians due to the fact they constitute a dangerous impediment to the ultimate Zionist goal, Eretz Yisrael. There is no peace talk intention in any decent Zionist mind, never has been. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted November 28, 2018 #179 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Black Red Devil said: There is no peace talk intention in any decent Zionist mind, never has been. Any decent Zionist mind knows they owes great thanks to the one Jew who not only started it all but made it all possible ... Quote ~ Fritz Haber - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber Fritz Haber was a German chemist who received the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1918 for his ... Haber is also considered the "father of chemical warfare" for his years of ... Fritz Haber was born in Breslau, Prussia, into a well-off Jewish family. ~ 1868: The man behind chemical weapons is born - Jewish World ... https://www.haaretz.com › Jewish World This story was originally published on December 9, 2014. December 9, 1868, is the birthday of Fritz Haber, the Jewish-German chemist whose experimental ... ~ Fritz Haber: Jewish chemist whose work led to Zyklon B - BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-13015210 Apr 12, 2011 - Fritz Haber: Jewish chemist whose work led to Zyklon B. It has been claimed that as many as two out of five humans on the planet today owe their existence to the discoveries made by one brilliant German chemist. ~ ~ A great Jew, more or less ... The father of Zionism, nothing more, nothing less ... ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted November 28, 2018 Author #180 Share Posted November 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Black Red Devil said: What will bring their leaders to the peace table is the removal of settlers. But this is like Martian talk for you isn't it? The only vision your myopic view will ever comprehend is the total removal of the Palestinians due to the fact they constitute a dangerous impediment to the ultimate Zionist goal, Eretz Yisrael. There is no peace talk intention in any decent Zionist mind, never has been. ROFL. "What will bring their leaders to the 'peace' table" is the removal of all of the Jews from the Middle East. That is the goal of the PLO. Wake up and smell the coffee, BRD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted November 28, 2018 #181 Share Posted November 28, 2018 3 hours ago, RoofGardener said: ROFL. "What will bring their leaders to the 'peace' table" is the removal of all of the Jews from the Middle East. That is the goal of the PLO. Wake up and smell the coffee, BRD LOL... [thinking] Ya know, Gardener.. you have a point there LOL! but it's double edged sword. The only way the Israeli's will ever bargain in earnest for peace is if Palestinians agree to never go back home. Yes, of course these differences are irreconcilable. The Palestinians have known that for decades. That's why they want to destroy Israel, it appears the only way to get to where they want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 28, 2018 #182 Share Posted November 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: LOL... [thinking] Ya know, Gardener.. you have a point there LOL! but it's double edged sword. The only way the Israeli's will ever bargain in earnest for peace is if Palestinians agree to never go back home. Yes, of course these differences are irreconcilable. The Palestinians have known that for decades. That's why they want to destroy Israel, it appears the only way to get to where they want to be. I suspect that if they received east Jerusalem as an internationally recognized (shared) Capitol, huge investment into infrastructure and a nominal number of "right to return" allowed, the actual people in Gaza and the WB would accept the offer and move on with life. Their leadership will never allow it, however. That leadership has built its following with decades of hate and such hate dies hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted November 28, 2018 #183 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, and then said: I suspect that if they received east Jerusalem as an internationally recognized (shared) Capitol, huge investment into infrastructure and a nominal number of "right to return" allowed, the actual people in Gaza and the WB would accept the offer and move on with life. Their leadership will never allow it, however. That leadership has built its following with decades of hate and such hate dies hard. I Can't disagree, and then. The hate is so thick you can cut it with a knife (both sides). All I can say, and then, is walk in their shoes your whole life before you condemn such feelings by the Palestinians. You know, back in the day, the Jews of the region had such hate and disgust for the Palestinians that they drove them into the desert. Does such hate in that Jewish case get a "pass" from you? There are posters in here that support human rights for all humans, and there are posters in here that *apparently* support different human rights for different societies of humans, depending on their skin color, religion, and ethnicity of said societies. *That* is what this imbroglio is really all about. As Aretha Franklin once famously proclaimed, "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 29, 2018 #184 Share Posted November 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: The hate is so thick you can cut it with a knife (both sides). Here is the quintessential answer to the entire Middle East. The Sea of Armageddon. Basically a large...very large...incredibly large swath of glistening, radioactive glass...created by the melting of the desert sands. No mas problemo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 29, 2018 #185 Share Posted November 29, 2018 21 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: You know, back in the day, the Jews of the region had such hate and disgust for the Palestinians that they drove them into the desert. Does such hate in that Jewish case get a "pass" from you? Are you speaking of the creation of the Jewish state, here? If not then cite a reference for a time when the Jews drove anyone into the desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 29, 2018 #186 Share Posted November 29, 2018 13 hours ago, joc said: Here is the quintessential answer to the entire Middle East. The Sea of Armageddon. Basically a large...very large...incredibly large swath of glistening, radioactive glass...created by the melting of the desert sands. No mas problemo! Except for the Muslims in the rest of the world who would ten want revenge for what was done to their brothers in the M.E. No, hate won't solve it. Only real justice. The problem with that is that justice appears differently to different people. Ultimately it will be solved by an arbiter that no one has the power to argue with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted November 29, 2018 #187 Share Posted November 29, 2018 2 hours ago, and then said: Are you speaking of the creation of the Jewish state, here? If not then cite a reference for a time when the Jews drove anyone into the desert. How about 1946-1947 era when Jews (not Israel yet) drove 600,000 unarmed palestinian men women and children from their homes, many of whom ran for neighboring countries. The Jews flipped over 400 villages and towns in that era and they did it with terrorist tactics. There was no IDF then because there was no Israel then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 29, 2018 #188 Share Posted November 29, 2018 23 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: How about 1946-1947 era when Jews (not Israel yet) drove 600,000 unarmed palestinian men women and children from their homes, many of whom ran for neighboring countries. The Jews flipped over 400 villages and towns in that era and they did it with terrorist tactics. There was no IDF then because there was no Israel then. You can pick any date you wish and their actions - both sides - can be set against a prior "atrocity" by the "other". It never ceases to amaze me how upright and indignant will become totally uninterested parties when a Jew commits a crime. They also seem to be as aware as a drooling idiot when crimes are committed against those same Jews. Believe what you will. I will never be ashamed of or repent from my support for the right of the descendants of Jacob to possess that land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted November 29, 2018 Author #189 Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: How about 1946-1947 era when Jews (not Israel yet) drove 600,000 unarmed palestinian men women and children from their homes, many of whom ran for neighboring countries. The Jews flipped over 400 villages and towns in that era and they did it with terrorist tactics. There was no IDF then because there was no Israel then. Ummm.. yeeeeeessss..... HOWEVER.. that was only after the Palestinians - aided by the Arab Liberation Army - tried to kill all of the Jews ? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted November 29, 2018 #190 Share Posted November 29, 2018 3 hours ago, and then said: You can pick any date you wish and their actions - both sides - can be set against a prior "atrocity" by the "other". It never ceases to amaze me how upright and indignant will become totally uninterested parties when a Jew commits a crime. They also seem to be as aware as a drooling idiot when crimes are committed against those same Jews. Believe what you will. I will never be ashamed of or repent from my support for the right of the descendants of Jacob to possess that land. and then, the US went to war against Germany and Japan. We did NOT kick the civilians out of their own country. See the diff? The Palestinians have NO HOME. They also had no army or even malitias when the Jews attacked them. Such was not the case with Germany and Japan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted November 29, 2018 #191 Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, RoofGardener said: Ummm.. yeeeeeessss..... HOWEVER.. that was only after the Palestinians - aided by the Arab Liberation Army - tried to kill all of the Jews ? . Really, RG... just HOW did an unarmed population do that to an armed population? Funny how these things, we never argued about before. I see what you posted here as just a convenient excuse to ethnically cleanse men, women and children from the land. "We had to defend ourselves"... sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 29, 2018 #192 Share Posted November 29, 2018 43 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: Really, RG... just HOW did an unarmed population do that to an armed population? Funny how these things, we never argued about before. I see what you posted here as just a convenient excuse to ethnically cleanse men, women and children from the land. "We had to defend ourselves"... sure. And no claim or evidence or anything else will ever change your mind. So be it. Just don't expect to enlighten or shame others into your beliefs. Not gonna happen while the whole story is available for the unbiased seeker to find. Champion them until the last one dies, then hate on afterward for all the good it will do you. No doubt you will be ecstatic and puffed up when the events seem to turn against the Jews in Israel. It IS coming. They WILL suffer greatly. Ultimately, their enemies will utterly perish, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted November 30, 2018 #193 Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, and then said: And no claim or evidence or anything else will ever change your mind. So be it. Just don't expect to enlighten or shame others into your beliefs. Not gonna happen while the whole story is available for the unbiased seeker to find. Champion them until the last one dies, then hate on afterward for all the good it will do you. No doubt you will be ecstatic and puffed up when the events seem to turn against the Jews in Israel. It IS coming. They WILL suffer greatly. Ultimately, their enemies will utterly perish, however. I've seen some articles that were, frankly, propaganda. What we all agree on is this: One day the Palestinians had a place to live. Two years later, MANY did not. The UN gave the right of return to all Palestinians who were uprooted. Israel has steadfastly refused to ever obey that UN resolution to this day. Need we really fill in the blanks here, and then? No. We know what happened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted November 30, 2018 #194 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: Need we really fill in the blanks here, and then? No. We know what happened. "No pleasure is comparable to the standing upon the vantage ground of Truth". ~ Bacon~ ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted November 30, 2018 Author #195 Share Posted November 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: I've seen some articles that were, frankly, propaganda. What we all agree on is this: One day the Palestinians had a place to live. Two years later, MANY did not. The UN gave the right of return to all Palestinians who were uprooted. Israel has steadfastly refused to ever obey that UN resolution to this day. Need we really fill in the blanks here, and then? No. We know what happened. That is - of course - true EoT, and it was a tragedy for the Palestinians involved. But then.... this ALWAYS happens during civil wars. Israel will NEVER permit the "right of return", as envisaged by UNRWA, as Israel would be destroyed at the next general election, and turned into an Islamic Wafq. (and - in all probability - merged into Jordan, with the "Palestinians" becoming Jordanians, as envisaged by the PLO back in the 1970's). In terms of the PLO - and the OIC voting block in the UN - there is only one 'just' solution. The destruction of Israel. Simple as. That is their end game. Israel, naturally, will resist this. The only hope for peace is a revolution in the leadership of the PLO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted November 30, 2018 Author #196 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: Really, RG... just HOW did an unarmed population do that to an armed population? Funny how these things, we never argued about before. I see what you posted here as just a convenient excuse to ethnically cleanse men, women and children from the land. "We had to defend ourselves"... sure. The same way that the Jews became an armed population; they acquired guns, and organised. It's just that the Jews where more determined, and better organised, than their Arab counterparts. And they didn't "ethnically cleanse" Israel of Arabs. Around 25% of the population of Israel are Arabs to this day. Edited November 30, 2018 by RoofGardener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted November 30, 2018 #197 Share Posted November 30, 2018 @RoofGardener " there is only one 'just' solution. The destruction of Israel. Simple as " And that's a bad thang...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted November 30, 2018 Author #198 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: @RoofGardener " there is only one 'just' solution. The destruction of Israel. Simple as " And that's a bad thang...? I would suggest that the destruction of the only liberal democracy within 1000 miles of Jerusalem, the only country with freedom of religious worship, the only country with an independent judiciary and the rule of law, IS a pretty bad thing ? Anyway, Israel makes the Soda Siphon. Can you REALLY imagine living your life without it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 30, 2018 #199 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: @RoofGardener " there is only one 'just' solution. The destruction of Israel. Simple as " And that's a bad thang...? Someday you will witness just how bad a thang it will be. Do you really believe it will be accomplished so simply? Do you imagine that nukes won't be used? When someone is willing to countenance such massive death and the global chaos that will ensue and they still cannot admit to the hardcore nature of their hatred, they just seem foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted November 30, 2018 #200 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, RoofGardener said: I would suggest that the destruction of the only liberal democracy within 1000 miles of Jerusalem, the only country with freedom of religious worship, the only country with an independent judiciary and the rule of law, IS a pretty bad thing ? Anyway, Israel makes the Soda Siphon. Can you REALLY imagine living your life without it ? The rule of law... LOL, RG, you really crack me up sometimes. "The law SEZ"... if you are Muslim, YOU SUCK! You cannot have your home back. In fact, you cannot even get to your homeland to claim your home. Get back! the rule of law... my gawd. Hey, at least they practiced the rule of law in Apartheid S.Africa,too. "Soda Siphon"... it be what? Edited November 30, 2018 by Earl.Of.Trumps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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