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Vlad the Mighty

A mice with two mothers, there was a, what was it, a monkey or something with two fathers yesterday wasn't it. Where will it all end? It's gender politics gone mad! :cry: 

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Vox

Nothing to do with gender friend.  Gender is a social construct.  The experiment is 3 steps away from a eugenics and vat grown baby programme.  Now THAT is scary.

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seanjo
20 minutes ago, Vox said:

Nothing to do with gender friend.  Gender is a social construct.  The experiment is 3 steps away from a eugenics and vat grown baby programme.  Now THAT is scary.

Gender is NOT a social construct, that is PC/SJW nonsense, in Humans, there are two genders, male and female.

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XenoFish
21 minutes ago, seanjo said:

Gender is NOT a social construct, that is PC/SJW nonsense, in Humans, there are two genders, male and female.

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RabidMongoose
1 hour ago, seanjo said:

Gender is NOT a social construct, that is PC/SJW nonsense, in Humans, there are two genders, male and female.

In my opinion Western Society has been descending into the gutter over the last 100 years and the decline is being driven by people suffering form identity disorders in positions of power and influence. With their identity disorders they are trying to pass them onto the rest of society (although I think most of them are largely unconscious of this fact).

At the core of their issues is they cannot cope with differences existing between people.

Their aim (inferred by looking at their actions over the last 100 years) is a classless, raceless, genderless, atheist society. One in which we all think and act alike, one in which we have no distinctive culture of our own, one where the people have the same access to resources regardless of their contribution towards the state.

In other words the Communists and Socialists - those who cannot tolerate differences existing.

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11 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

 

In other words the Communists and Socialists - those who cannot tolerate differences existing.

Sorry but the Communists didn’t go down like this and for them the family was an important public unit and was a reliable working support for the country.Work in state-owned enterprises, small tariffs and costs stimulated population growth, and this is beneficial to the state because the more workers there are, the stronger the country's defense, the economy, and the increase in its power.

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Scientists from the Sanger Institute (UK) have found that using the CRISPR / Cas9 system for editing human and animal cells often leads to the appearance of extensive unwanted mutations. Last May, a team of scientists from Columbia University announced that CRISPR / Cas9 makes many changes to the DNA outside the desired region. Although it was not possible to confirm the results of this study at that time, other scientists also obtained evidence that the CRISPR system causes more side effects than previously thought.
At the same time, scientists note that the danger is not only that these mutations can be dangerous, but also that the damage in the genome is not detected by standard methods of DNA genotyping.

In the worst case, treating a person with the CRISPR / Cas9 genome editing method can damage important genes, causing disastrous harm to health.

    “In clinical practice, billions of cells are being edited. Many mutations create the likelihood that one or more of the edited cells will be affected. Such lesions can lead to the launch of the cancer development process, ”the authors report.

 

 

 

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seanjo
1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

In my opinion Western Society has been descending into the gutter over the last 100 years and the decline is being driven by people suffering form identity disorders in positions of power and influence. With their identity disorders they are trying to pass them onto the rest of society (although I think most of them are largely unconscious of this fact).

At the core of their issues is they cannot cope with differences existing between people.

Their aim (inferred by looking at their actions over the last 100 years) is a classless, raceless, genderless, atheist society. One in which we all think and act alike, one in which we have no distinctive culture of our own, one where the people have the same access to resources regardless of their contribution towards the state.

In other words the Communists and Socialists - those who cannot tolerate differences existing.

 

This rubbish about gender being a social construct comes from the ultra Feminists and social "sciences", it is pure ideology with no scientific backing, in fact, real science shows there are two distinct genders.

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RabidMongoose
6 minutes ago, seanjo said:

This rubbish about gender being a social construct comes from the ultra Feminists and social "sciences", it is pure ideology with no scientific backing, in fact, real science shows there are two distinct genders.

Our individual gender identities (male or female) are another way in which we are all different from each other. Biologically there is an in between that arises when things go wrong called a hermaphrodite.

People who are clearly male or female who dont have the correct gender identity have an identity disorder. Maybe they grew up with a parent that was quite negative towards their gender so they rejected it. Our society has found its way into a place where having this kind of gender identity disorder is seen as normal instead of a form of parental abuse. For me when I open a newspaper and see as story where a five year old boy is off to school in a skirt it isn't something to be celebrated, the parents need locking up instead.

The feminists are women that reject their feminine identity because of the perception that women are weak. They want to be seen as equal to men instead and are therefore are active in trying to erode away gender differences. They will no doubt be celebrating how babies can now be created from same sex partners without perceiving that its something which is seriously wrong.

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seanjo
3 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Our individual gender identities (male or female) are another way in which we are all different from each other. Biologically there is an in between that arises when things go wrong called a hermaphrodite.

People who are clearly male or female who dont have the correct gender identity have an identity disorder. Maybe they grew up with a parent that was quite negative towards their gender so they rejected it. Our society has found its way into a place where having this kind of gender identity disorder is seen as normal instead of a form of parental abuse. For me when I open a newspaper and see as story where a five year old boy is off to school in a skirt it isn't something to be celebrated, the parents need locking up instead.

The feminists are women that reject their feminine identity because of the perception that women are weak. They want to be seen as equal to men instead and are therefore are active in trying to erode away gender differences. They will no doubt be celebrating how babies can now be created from same sex partners without perceiving that its something which is seriously wrong.

There have been study's done in Sweden (I think) that show the construction of the brain is important, a Man and Woman's brains are different, they showed that a Gay Mans brain is more like a Female brain and vice versa for a Gay Woman. There are of course people that have been messed up by their upbringing.

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RabidMongoose
38 minutes ago, seanjo said:

There have been study's done in Sweden (I think) that show the construction of the brain is important, a Man and Woman's brains are different, they showed that a Gay Mans brain is more like a Female brain and vice versa for a Gay Woman. There are of course people that have been messed up by their upbringing.

The brain differences are developmental not them being born with them.

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TripGun

See if they taste different. That's right, eat them.

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Calibeliever
3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Our individual gender identities (male or female) are another way in which we are all different from each other. Biologically there is an in between that arises when things go wrong called a hermaphrodite.

People who are clearly male or female who dont have the correct gender identity have an identity disorder. Maybe they grew up with a parent that was quite negative towards their gender so they rejected it. Our society has found its way into a place where having this kind of gender identity disorder is seen as normal instead of a form of parental abuse. For me when I open a newspaper and see as story where a five year old boy is off to school in a skirt it isn't something to be celebrated, the parents need locking up instead.

The feminists are women that reject their feminine identity because of the perception that women are weak. They want to be seen as equal to men instead and are therefore are active in trying to erode away gender differences. They will no doubt be celebrating how babies can now be created from same sex partners without perceiving that its something which is seriously wrong.

I don't know, I always just thought of it as just "being alright" with who/what everybody is. None of my gay friends want me to be gay, they just want to live in a world where it's ok for them to be. But what do I know? I'm old and most of this goes over my head these days. I see the push and the push back getting ratcheted the last few years and it just looks like two sides of the same coin to me. I don't remember there being so much animosity on either side decades ago.

Personally, I subscribe to the creed of "do what you want as long as it's not on my lawn". I don't have to like it, but I don't have to lose my (expletive deleted) every time I hear about it either. 

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rodentraiser

My sainted aunt!

First of all, the world is a MUCH better place today than it was even 40 years ago. The only people who liked it better in the "good old days" are old, white males.

Secondly, feminism isn't about women trying to be masculine. It's about CHOICE. If a woman chooses to be single, child free, and support herself with a job, that's fine. If another woman chooses to be a traditional stay-at-home mom, that's fine, too. What's important is that a woman can choose to be either one. I personally don't think women are weak, but I sure see a lot of men who would like them to be. And some of those men spend an inordinate amount of time trying to keep women weak and under the male thumb (any male that tries to keep me under his thumb will get his teeth kicked in, so if that's why some pale males don't like feminism or think that's how feminism is ruining the US, let's hear it for feminism!).

Third, gender is extremely fluid. To quote another post: "...

"Because it's well established science that there are lots of other possibilities - not only are there
people with X, XXY, or XYY chromosomes, but there are also people with XY chromosomes who are assigned
female at birth, or vice versa. Just to name some of the obvious problems."

There are countless amphibians that can change gender and many others that don't even need both genders to have young. According to Wikipedia, sex assignment is the determination of an infant's sex at birth. In the majority of cases, sex assignment matches the child's gender identity. But when the external genitalia appear to be in between, they are described as ambiguous. In the U.S., about 1 in 2000 babies born are intersex.

3.8 million babies were born in 2017 in the US last year. That's 1900 babies who were born where the doctor couldn't say specifically if it was a boy or a girl.

There are parents out there who have to decide what gender to raise their child, a child that is probably going to have many surgeries to be either male or female. Hopefully, those of you who think gender is fixed at birth will keep your mouths shut about it in public. Parents of intersex babies have enough to deal with. They don't need to deal with the pain of hearing your claptrap about it as well.

 

https://slate.com/technology/2004/06/a-shift-away-from-surgery-on-babies-of-indeterminate-gender.html

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XenoFish

Feminism in its current state is about man hating. Self empowerment through victim status.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/man-hating-op-ed/

Gender isn't fluid. Identity can be. Sexual preferences can be. The equipment you're born with is your gender. Hermaphrodite get to choose. 

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Trenix
3 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Feminism in its current state is about man hating. Self empowerment through victim status.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/man-hating-op-ed/

Gender isn't fluid. Identity can be. Sexual preferences can be. The equipment you're born with is your gender. Hermaphrodite get to choose. 

I don't think hermaphrodites do. They tend to be more of another gender than the other. I believe the doctor, who is qualified of making that choice, actually makes that determination.

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Trenix
4 hours ago, rodentraiser said:

My sainted aunt!

First of all, the world is a MUCH better place today than it was even 40 years ago. The only people who liked it better in the "good old days" are old, white males.

Wrong, many women would want to sit at home and take care of their own children. My wife is one of them. Men generally don't, they want to provide for the family. Genders still do it today, women get partime or don't work, while majority of men work, mostly fulltime. This is why feminist make up this lie of a gender gap, it's choice and biological differences that account for it. It's not real, if a women wants to make more than a man, they can and will. However, the fact of the matter is, they generally don't want to. That's their choice.
Facts: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat08.htm
 

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Secondly, feminism isn't about women trying to be masculine. It's about CHOICE. If a woman chooses to be single, child free, and support herself with a job, that's fine. If another woman chooses to be a traditional stay-at-home mom, that's fine, too. What's important is that a woman can choose to be either one. I personally don't think women are weak, but I sure see a lot of men who would like them to be. And some of those men spend an inordinate amount of time trying to keep women weak and under the male thumb (any male that tries to keep me under his thumb will get his teeth kicked in, so if that's why some pale males don't like feminism or think that's how feminism is ruining the US, let's hear it for feminism!).

Notice how every feminist says something different. If you're trying to push a movement, everyone should be behind the same thing. Also women are biologically weak, there is nothing wrong with it. Feminists need to stop shaming masculinity which is crucial to the society and family and stop competing with their partners and people of the opposite sex. Women and men are different, far more different than race. You can be like every other feminist and challenge it, but you will lose and make a fool out of yourself. Why? Because we are biologically different. In America you're equal through the constitution when in regards to rights, but nothing more. Anything beyond that is imaginary unless you use medical intervention to make yourself become something you're not. Such as lets say, injecting yourself with hormones that increase your chances of developing cancer significantly.
 

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Third, gender is extremely fluid. To quote another post: "...

"Because it's well established science that there are lots of other possibilities - not only are there
people with X, XXY, or XYY chromosomes, but there are also people with XY chromosomes who are assigned
female at birth, or vice versa. Just to name some of the obvious problems."

There are countless amphibians that can change gender and many others that don't even need both genders to have young. According to Wikipedia, sex assignment is the determination of an infant's sex at birth. In the majority of cases, sex assignment matches the child's gender identity. But when the external genitalia appear to be in between, they are described as ambiguous. In the U.S., about 1 in 2000 babies born are intersex.

3.8 million babies were born in 2017 in the US last year. That's 1900 babies who were born where the doctor couldn't say specifically if it was a boy or a girl.

There are parents out there who have to decide what gender to raise their child, a child that is probably going to have many surgeries to be either male or female. Hopefully, those of you who think gender is fixed at birth will keep your mouths shut about it in public. Parents of intersex babies have enough to deal with. They don't need to deal with the pain of hearing your claptrap about it as well.

 

https://slate.com/technology/2004/06/a-shift-away-from-surgery-on-babies-of-indeterminate-gender.html

 

We're not frogs. You cannot change your gender. Also having multiple chromosomes is beyond the norm. When someone is born with a disorder, we shouldn't treat it like it's ideal or normal. Just like someone who has schizophrenia, it needs to be treated and understood that it's a disorder. You're doing the opposite and therefore are making matters worse by making others accept and even want to become it. Doctors don't care if someone who has a identity disorder, they will change the way they look and dose them with hormones for the money. As an adult, you technically are responsible for your own actions. Like an obese guy buying hamburgers, it's wrong, but it's their life.

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rodentraiser
14 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Feminism in its current state is about man hating. Self empowerment through victim status.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/man-hating-op-ed/

Gender isn't fluid. Identity can be. Sexual preferences can be. The equipment you're born with is your gender. Hermaphrodite get to choose. 

If something isn't right physically, what makes you think mentally things are always OK? How do you know that when someone is born, they aren't born with a different perception of a gender in their mind that their physical gender doesn't match? Why does everything have to be seen before it's considered authentic. You can't see depression, but nobody invalidates that diagnosis anymore.

It wasn't too long ago that everyone thought all women wanted to fulfill themselves by having babies and not wanting to have a baby was a mental aberration. It would be incredibly stupid in this day and age to just assume all women want babies, no? So now we know that being born a certain gender physically isn't always going to dictate the likes and wants we think belong to those genders in our brains.

 

And as for feminism being man hating...I can't speak for those feminists because I like men and get along with them much better than I get along with women, but I would condemn any man hating feminist the same way I condemn these guys:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/raw-hatred-why-incel-movement-targets-terrorises-women

I was trying to find the ihatewomen.com website and it seems to have disappeared. But I got on it once and let me tell you, it was like reading a KKK site back in the 30s. So I understand what you say when you talk about men-hating feminists.

I just have to caution you, though, that not all women are feminists and not all feminists hate women. Don't throw a blanket definition over all of us, because it doesn't fit.

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rodentraiser
11 hours ago, Trenix said:

Wrong, many women would want to sit at home and take care of their own children. My wife is one of them. Men generally don't, they want to provide for the family. Genders still do it today, women get partime or don't work, while majority of men work, mostly fulltime. This is why feminist make up this lie of a gender gap, it's choice and biological differences that account for it. It's not real, if a women wants to make more than a man, they can and will. However, the fact of the matter is, they generally don't want to. That's their choice.
Facts: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat08.htm

As I said, if women want to stay home and take care of children, that's fine. My own mother was a happy stay-at-home mother. But why should I have to stay at home and have children I don't want just because other women like that life?

It's not about making more than a man working at the same job. It's about making equal what a man makes working at the same job.

I understand what you're saying about women working part-time, or not being able to give the job their full attention if they're a mother (even though men are never questioned about it when they're fathers). But here's the thing: that applies to those women, not to me. I am not married, I don't have kids, and I would work a full-time job the same as my male peers. So in my mind I expect to be paid equal in salary.

As I told XenoFish, don't be so quick to throw a blanket description over ALL of us. It doesn't fit.

 

 

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Notice how every feminist says something different. If you're trying to push a movement, everyone should be behind the same thing. Also women are biologically weak, there is nothing wrong with it. Feminists need to stop shaming masculinity which is crucial to the society and family and stop competing with their partners and people of the opposite sex. Women and men are different, far more different than race. You can be like every other feminist and challenge it, but you will lose and make a fool out of yourself. Why? Because we are biologically different. In America you're equal through the constitution when in regards to rights, but nothing more. Anything beyond that is imaginary unless you use medical intervention to make yourself become something you're not. Such as lets say, injecting yourself with hormones that increase your chances of developing cancer significantly.


 

When was the last time you saw all Christians agree on something as basic as aid to the poverty-stricken or gay marriage? It doesn't work like that. And again, you are putting one big blanket over all feminists. I personally don't shame masculinity. I wouldn't compete with my partner - 'competing' and 'partner' shouldn't even be in the same sentence. And many, many feminists feel the same way. Just as many men don't feel the need to keep a boot heel on women to prove their masculinity.

I think you're being silly when you talk about women being biologically different. There are smaller men and larger women. Many women are weaker than men and then a lot of them aren't. A lot of men are weaker than other men, too. As to my personal size and shape, I wouldn't consider say, a combat role, because I knew I couldn't do that job. I also wouldn't consider a nursing career, because I couldn't do that job either. But if a woman can and wants to do either job, why not? What, besides your prejudice, stands in the way if women are physically and mentally capable? I can remember the same arguments when women wanted to be cops or jockeys.

 

 

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We're not frogs. You cannot change your gender. Also having multiple chromosomes is beyond the norm. When someone is born with a disorder, we shouldn't treat it like it's ideal or normal. Just like someone who has schizophrenia, it needs to be treated and understood that it's a disorder. You're doing the opposite and therefore are making matters worse by making others accept and even want to become it. Doctors don't care if someone who has a identity disorder, they will change the way they look and dose them with hormones for the money. As an adult, you technically are responsible for your own actions. Like an obese guy buying hamburgers, it's wrong, but it's their life.

So you're saying we should have conversion camps to change people? I don't want kids. Do you want to send me to a conversion camp? That used to be a disorder, too, remember?

I don't make anyone accept being what they don't want to be. BUT - everyone has the right to be exposed to new ideas and new ways of doing things. If that constitutes "making others accept", then what you're saying is you want to keep a bag over the heads of young people so they can only see what you want them to see.

I believe in letting people learn as much as they want to. They can make their own decisions on what to accept after that. If what you believe is so true and so right, it shouldn't be threatened by the ideas and thoughts of other people. You may not find as many people around you to agree with you on your ideas, but things don't have to be bad just because they're different. Sometimes they're just different.

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rodentraiser
2 hours ago, rodentraiser said:

I just have to caution you, though, that not all women are feminists and not all feminists hate women. Don't throw a blanket definition over all of us, because it doesn't fit.

I should have said, not all feminists hate men.

It's been a long day.

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2 hours ago, rodentraiser said:

As I said, if women want to stay home and take care of children, that's fine. My own mother was a happy stay-at-home mother. But why should I have to stay at home and have children I don't want just because other women like that life?

Who is saying you should? Who is preventing you from living that lifestyle? No one honestly cares. I've seen more feminist push women to live that lifestyle you want, than seeing any stay-home women push feminists to sit home and take care of the kids. You can live how you want. I may not agree with it, nor do I think it's part of the norm, but you're free to do what you want. Your movement however, is senseless. It has no direction or real purpose. Whether you're fighting for equality that already exists, being agaisnt an evil pay gap that is based on a lie, or asking for choice which most women want to live the way I already stated. You ask for choice, but you want to make the choice for the majority of women.
 

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It's not about making more than a man working at the same job. It's about making equal what a man makes working at the same job.

 

Facts are that women either don't work, or work part-time jobs. Not only that, but they tend to go for and get jobs which pay less, even though they often get better education than men. Besides that, women are unable to do most physically intensive jobs, such as construction, which provide loads of money. Furthermore, women on average are more agreeable than men, so they get stuck with low pay, because they're often too afraid to ask for increased pay. If you factor in every single aspect, women are literally responsible of getting less money because of their choices alone, aside from the biological reason. Your statement is nothing less than a myth. Proof is that only women would be hired in all business since they do the same work as men but get paid less. If they do that with illegal immigrants, you'd bet they'd do it with women too. But here is the thing, they don't. You don't have to fit the norm, nothing is stopping you.

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I understand what you're saying about women working part-time, or not being able to give the job their full attention if they're a mother (even though men are never questioned about it when they're fathers). But here's the thing: that applies to those women, not to me. I am not married, I don't have kids, and I would work a full-time job the same as my male peers. So in my mind I expect to be paid equal in salary.

If you do better or similar to other men in your position, you will get equal salary. If not, sue your company if they're treating you unfair, because that's illegal. Also, no one in any business will just hand you money. You must earn and get it yourself. By simply asking and doing the right thing in your career, you will rise. Man or women, if you threaten to leave with good skills that the company needs, they will pay you more to keep you.

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I think you're being silly when you talk about women being biologically different. There are smaller men and larger women. Many women are weaker than men and then a lot of them aren't. A lot of men are weaker than other men, too. As to my personal size and shape, I wouldn't consider say, a combat role, because I knew I couldn't do that job. I also wouldn't consider a nursing career, because I couldn't do that job either. But if a woman can and wants to do either job, why not? What, besides your prejudice, stands in the way if women are physically and mentally capable? I can remember the same arguments when women wanted to be cops or jockeys.

The smallest and weakest man, is often still stronger than the biggest and strongest women. There is also reason why genders don't mix in sports, because men vs women is incomparable. Wasn't there a male highschool soccer team that slaughtered the women's US national soccer team? You think that women and men aren't that different, not only is that dangerous, it's highly wrong by a long shot. You need to really read up in biology. Now is there a women that can be comparable than a man? Possibly, but HIGHLY unlikely. Never have I said a women shouldn't be able to try to do anything, but they will make a fool out of themselves and again, it's dangerous. If a bunch of men are committing a crime, I don't want a women to show up or if I'm a solider and get shot in war, I don't want a women to be the only person to drag me out. I get what you're trying to say and do, but trust me, you're causing more harm than good.

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So you're saying we should have conversion camps to change people? I don't want kids. Do you want to send me to a conversion camp? That used to be a disorder, too, remember?

Conversion camp? If you don't want to have kids, that's your own problem. As I said, you're free to do what you want. You're an adult. It may not be the norm and I make not agree with it. Yet, you can do it, if it's legal. If it's wrong, I will speak out against it. But I'm not going to force you to do anything. Don't mix up disagreement with violence or enforcement. Some people want to amputate their limbs and want to live that life, so they do it. It's wrong, but they do it. Yet you're not going to convince we otherwise, that it's wrong. It's the same as someone claiming to be a gender they're not and changing their body to appear that way. It's wrong.

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I don't make anyone accept being what they don't want to be. BUT - everyone has the right to be exposed to new ideas and new ways of doing things. If that constitutes "making others accept", then what you're saying is you want to keep a bag over the heads of young people so they can only see what you want them to see.

Young people are stupid. Their brains aren't fully developed until they are at least 25 years old. They must be taught. You can open them up to a bunch of ideas, but don't force them to make decisions they're incapable of making. I mean come on now, we shouldn't even have this sort of conversation, this should be common sense. Even I was stupid when I was young. And making others accept? Liberal teachers made people like me accept stupid socialist ideas, keeping a bag over my head. You know how betrayed I felt about that? There was no ideas, literally forced thoughts. They also made religion appear as a joke, sex being amazing at a young age, and drugs being great! Yeah I remember those days.

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I believe in letting people learn as much as they want to. They can make their own decisions on what to accept after that. If what you believe is so true and so right, it shouldn't be threatened by the ideas and thoughts of other people. You may not find as many people around you to agree with you on your ideas, but things don't have to be bad just because they're different. Sometimes they're just different.

I agree with you. Yet, let people say something is wrong when they want to. Disagreements is healthy. If more people argued rather than swing fists, the world would be a better place and all people can learn to reach a common ground.

 

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By your standards, then, we shouldn't have any female police officers because it's dangerous. Just the fact that we do have them, and no one is calling them out because of their strength, would say you were wrong. By the way, I'm watching the show jumping on YouTube and equestrian show jumping is the one sport where women and men compete on equal levels. It appears even the weakest women can control the strongest horse, although I wouldn't call those women weak by any stretch.

I hear what you're saying about how I should get equal pay for equal work. The key word there is "should". Unfortunately, although I am a woman (actually I consider myself a person first) who is willing to work for I want to earn, too many people lump me under the "all women do" blanket. That's part of what feminism is in everyone's face about.

For instance, for every person who tells me it's OK to not have kids, I have ten more, women as well as men, telling me I'm abdicating my responsibility, that my body was built for having kids, that I'm being selfish for not having kids, that I have an obligation to my parents to have kids, that having kids is my natural function, that I'm ruining the natural family order and therefore America by not having kids, etc., etc., etc. And this is just having kids as an issue. Imagine what happens when I talk about getting equal pay or wanting to break into a male dominated activity.

That's why I say I'm a feminist. I shouldn't have to defend myself when I say I don't want kids and answer questions like who will take care of me when I'm older and don't I want to pass my genes on and don't I feel the need to fulfill myself. There are way too many people who still think women belong in in the kitchen and refuse to even consider some women want to do something else. If someone asks me how many kids I have, I should be able to answer none and not have to continue an interrogation as to why. And yes, everything I've posted above is something I've been asked or told about not wanting to have kids. When was the last time a man with no kids has even been asked any of those questions?

That's why feminists get hostile so many times. They want to be accepted as individuals, not aberrations of a single gender. And just wanting to be taken as individuals alone is enough to get hostile reactions from men.

I'm do believe education is a key part to accepting women as individuals who do things that aren't considered the norm for many women. That's just one of the reasons I believe in exposing students to many different ideas. Whether you consider liberals to be brainwashing students is beyond the point. Like it or not, the people who call themselves liberal are far more accepting of me as an individual than any others.

I was going to start parties with my telescope back in the 80s and even then, I can't remember anyone, from the guy who sold me my first scope and answered my questions to the men in my astronomy club, who ever talked down to me. I was often the only woman at star parties and those guys never made me feel inferior.

Likewise, my chemistry teacher never talked down to me (I was the only woman in that class) and my physics teacher never talked down to me. It's about valuing a person for what they are. And I have to say, it really spoiled me for dealing with the rest of the world, especially by some men who treat me like I don't have a brain in my head just because I'm female.

Now do you understand why I'm a feminist and why some feminists get so angry (XenoFIsh, this applies to you)? It's not man-hating, it's anger because some people insist on treating half the human race with a distinct lack of respect, and after having had that respect for being a person, I'm not willing to go without it just because someone else feels like my gender limits me.

Edit to add: to get back on topic, let me add that I wish scientists would invent a mouse that lived longer.

Edited by rodentraiser

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