+Pettytalk Posted April 6, 2019 #176 Share Posted April 6, 2019 Why, my dear friend, said Socrates, must not I or any one be in a strait who has to speak after he has heard such a rich and varied discourse? I am especially struck with the beauty of the concluding words-who could listen to them without amazement? When I reflected on the immeasurable inferiority of my own powers, I was ready to run away for shame, if there had been a possibility of escape. For I was reminded of Gorgias, and at the end of his speech I fancied that Agathon was shaking at me the Gorginian or Gorgonian head of the great master of rhetoric, which was simply to turn me and my speech, into stone, as Homer says, and strike me dumb. And then I perceived how foolish I had been in consenting to take my turn with you in praising love, and saying that I too was a master of the art, when I really had no conception how anything ought to be praised. For in my simplicity I imagined that the topics of praise should be true, and that this being presupposed, out of the true the speaker was to choose the best and set them forth in the best manner. And I felt quite proud, thinking that I knew the nature of true praise, and should speak well. Whereas I now see that the intention was to attribute to Love every species of greatness and glory, whether really belonging to him not, without regard to truth or falsehood-that was no matter; for the original, proposal seems to have been not that each of you should really praise Love, but only that you should appear to praise him. And so you attribute to Love every imaginable form of praise which can be gathered anywhere; and you say that "he is all this," and "the cause of all that," making him appear the fairest and best of all to those who know him not, for you cannot impose upon those who know him. And a noble and solemn hymn of praise have you rehearsed. But as I misunderstood the nature of the praise when I said that I would take my turn, I must beg to be absolved from the promise which I made in ignorance, and which (as Euripides would say) was a promise of the lips and not of the mind. Farewell then to such a strain: for I do not praise in that way; no, indeed, I cannot. But if you like to here the truth about love, I am ready to speak in my own manner, though I will not make myself ridiculous by entering into any rivalry with you. Say then, Phaedrus, whether you would like, to have the truth about love, spoken in any words and in any order which may happen to come into my mind at the time. Will that be agreeable to you? All the souls had now chosen their lives, and they went in the order of their choice to Lachesis, who sent with them the genius whom they had severally chosen, to be the guardian of their lives and the fulfiller of the choice: this genius led the souls first to Clotho, and drew them within the revolution of the spindle impelled by her hand, thus ratifying the destiny of each; and then, when they were fastened to this, carried them to Atropos, who spun the threads and made them irreversible, whence without turning round they passed beneath the throne of Necessity; and when they had all passed, they marched on in a scorching heat to the plain of Forgetfulness, which was a barren waste destitute of trees and verdure; and then towards evening they encamped by the river of Unmindfulness, whose water no vessel can hold; of this they were all obliged to drink a certain quantity, and those who were not saved by wisdom drank more than was necessary; and each one as he drank forgot all things. Now after they had gone to rest, about the middle of the night there was a thunderstorm and earthquake, and then in an instant they were driven upwards in all manner of ways to their birth, like stars shooting. He himself was hindered from drinking the water. But in what manner or by what means he returned to the body he could not say; only, in the morning, awaking suddenly, he found himself lying on the pyre. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightAngel Posted April 7, 2019 Author #177 Share Posted April 7, 2019 *Sings* Hush now, don't you cry Wipe away the teardrop from your eye You're lying safe in bed It was all a bad dream Spinning in your head Your mind tricked you to feel the pain Of someone close to you leaving the game of life So here it is, another chance Wide awake you face the day Your dream is over... or has it just begun? There's a place I like to hide A doorway that I run through in the night Relax child, you were there But only didn't realize and you were scared It's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly you hear and see This magic new dimension I... will be watching over you I... am gonna help you see it through I... will protect you in the night I... am smiling next to you, in Silent Lucidity I can't do this Visualize your dream Record it in the present tense Put it into a permanent form If you persist in your efforts You can achieve dream control Dream control How's that then, better? Help me If you open your mind for me You won't rely on open eyes to see The walls you built within Come tumbling down, and a new world will begin Living twice at once, you learn You're safe from the pain in the dream domain A soul set free to fly A round trip journey in your head Master of illusion, can you realize Your dream's alive, you can be the guide but... I... will be watching over you I... am gonna help to see it through I... will protect you in the night I... am smiling next to you... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted April 7, 2019 #178 Share Posted April 7, 2019 this song sums up my mood lately. only I'm still parked in my driveway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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+Pettytalk Posted April 7, 2019 #180 Share Posted April 7, 2019 The story behind the music. Pete Townshend is, or was a dedicated follower of Meher Baba. This song was a dedication, based on the title. Who was Meher Baba? A very peculiar individual, I would say. Had some very peculiar ideas about being God. And here is one of his peculiar assertions on the state of dreaming. Or as he would have it, our awake-state is only a dream. The only problem is that Socrates would have a problem with this: "and that you alone have Real Existence." Sounds more like the argument Socrates introduces in the Theaetetus, in reference to Protagoras' statement that "man is the measure of all things." I would venture to say that Meher Baba plagiarized ideas from ancient classical sources. And a good logical going-over would still show how reality is being distorted, plagiarized or not, by these false dreamers. SOCRATES: Then, if that which acts upon me has relation to me and to no other, I and no other am the percipient of it? THEAETETUS: Of course. SOCRATES: Then my perception is true to me, being inseparable from my own being; and, as Protagoras says, to myself I am judge of what is and what is not to me. THEAETETUS: I suppose so. SOCRATES: How then, if I never err, and if my mind never trips in the conception of being or becoming, can I fail of knowing that which I perceive? THEAETETUS: You cannot. SOCRATES: Then you were quite right in affirming that knowledge is only perception; and the meaning turns out to be the same, whether with Homer and Heracleitus, and all that company, you say that all is motion and flux, or with the great sage Protagoras, that man is the measure of all things; or with Theaetetus, that, given these premises, perception is knowledge. Am I not right, Theaetetus, and is not this your new-born child, of which I have delivered you? What say you? DREAMING AND DREAMING Meher Baba When you sleep and dream you experience association with people, speaking with them and doing actions in relation to them, see all manner of objects in your surroundings, and feel happiness or unhappiness in regard to them all. Where do all these people and objects come from? Not from outside yourself but from within you. You create them for your own experiencing — and no one but you sees, knows about and experiences what you are seeing, knowing and experiencing. They exist only for you. In like manner, you are sitting in this room seeing these other persons and the objects in the room, and, in like manner, no one but you is seeing them and experiencing them — that is, seeing and experiencing them as you are seeing and experiencing them. They exist solely for you and have come from nowhere but from within you — you have created them for your experience of them. What is called your "awake-state," your daily life with all its associations and experiences is only you dreaming and in your dream creating all the persons and objects in that dreaming for your experience of them; what is called your dreaming when asleep is but another dream within this dream. When you awake from your asleep-dreaming into your awake dream you know that the asleep-dreaming was only a dream. When you awake from your awake-dreaming you will know that you were the sole creator of both the dreams, and all the people, objects and situations contained in them — that they existed only in you and were for no one but you and were nothing but dream experiences of your own dreaming; and that you alone have Real Existence. WHEN REAL LIGHT APPEARS THIS DARKNESS WHICH YOU THINK IS LIGHT DISAPPEARS. https://petetownshend.net/news/pete-townshend-speaks-of-meher-baba-a-new-history-page 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Posted April 7, 2019 #181 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Helloween - World Of Fantasy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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+Pettytalk Posted April 13, 2019 #188 Share Posted April 13, 2019 With Trump at the helm of the USA, and his policy on immigration, it seems that we are becoming a nation without Pity, rather than what we have always advertised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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+Pettytalk Posted April 19, 2019 #196 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Gazing past the planets Looking for total view I've been laying here for hours You gotta make the journey out and in Wonders of a lifetime Right there before your eyes Searching with this life of ours You gotta make the journey out and in Out and in, out and in Will you think it's a joke That's all right Do what you want to do I've said my peace And I'll leave it all up to you Wonders of a lifetime Right there before your eyes Searching with this life of ours You gotta make the journey out and in Out and in, out and in Will you think it's a joke That's all right Do what you want to do I've said my peace And I'll leave it all up to you Gazing past the planets Looking for total view I've been laying here for hours You gotta make the journey out and in Out and in, out and in Out and in, out and in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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