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Logical issues with belief.

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Jodie.Lynne
On ‎2‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 7:09 AM, danydandan said:

2.What does the Moon having mountains got to with anything?

I'm reading it that @029b10 believes that Ole Lucifer whisked Jesus to the moon to 'survey the kingdoms of Earth'?

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danydandan
1 hour ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

I'm reading it that @029b10 believes that Ole Lucifer whisked Jesus to the moon to 'survey the kingdoms of Earth'?

Still doesn't explain why the Moon having mountains has anything to do with anything? 

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Jodie.Lynne
6 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Still doesn't explain why the Moon having mountains has anything to do with anything? 

IDK either. 

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danydandan
2 hours ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

IDK either. 

Perplexing ain't it?

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Jodie.Lynne

Logic and belief. Seems like the two are in opposition to one another. One can create an internally logical system of belief, and therefore justify both one's logic and belief system. As long as it remains internally consistently logical. And if one can maintain a suspension of disbelief in anything that conflicts with one's internal logic.

For example, in the 'Harry Potter' series, one can accept (in the stories) magical flying cars, mythical creatures, and offensive and defensive magic spells. You have suspended your disbelief to become absorbed in the tale, and can accept any actions and explanations, as long as they are internally consistent. Harry defeats a troll be shoving a magic wand up its nostril and into its brain. OK, not the usual usage for a wand, but consistent. It wouldn't be consistent if he whipped out a phaser and blasted the creature.

But, as long as one is willing to ignore all the sciences, one can immerse oneself in the tale and enjoy its "realism"

To me, beliefs in deities is similar, we suspend our disbelief in order to accept these supernatural entities, and will ignore anything that contradicts our beliefs. Or worse yet, co-opt the contradictions and engage in linguistic gymnastics in order to "logically" incorporate the disproof as proof.

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Will Due
9 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Logic and belief. Seems like the two are in opposition to one another. One can create an internally logical system of belief, and therefore justify both one's logic and belief system. As long as it remains internally consistently logical. And if one can maintain a suspension of disbelief in anything that conflicts with one's internal logic.

For example, in the 'Harry Potter' series, one can accept (in the stories) magical flying cars, mythical creatures, and offensive and defensive magic spells. You have suspended your disbelief to become absorbed in the tale, and can accept any actions and explanations, as long as they are internally consistent. Harry defeats a troll be shoving a magic wand up its nostril and into its brain. OK, not the usual usage for a wand, but consistent. It wouldn't be consistent if he whipped out a phaser and blasted the creature.

But, as long as one is willing to ignore all the sciences, one can immerse oneself in the tale and enjoy its "realism"

To me, beliefs in deities is similar, we suspend our disbelief in order to accept these supernatural entities, and will ignore anything that contradicts our beliefs. Or worse yet, co-opt the contradictions and engage in linguistic gymnastics in order to "logically" incorporate the disproof as proof.

 

Amen sister. Isn't it wonderful?

Everyone is free to decide whatever they want! And be entirely responsible personally for making those choices.

It's supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! :)

 

 

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Jodie.Lynne
On ‎2‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 3:10 PM, Will Due said:

 

Amen sister. Isn't it wonderful?

Everyone is free to decide whatever they want! And be entirely responsible personally for making those choices.

It's supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! :)

 

 

Your response is irrelevant. As are you.

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029b10
On 2/16/2019 at 8:09 AM, danydandan said:

Still doesn't explain why the Moon having mountains has anything to do with anything? 

Nothing, I just threw that cause I heard you guys who believe the earth is flat like stuff like that.

On 2/16/2019 at 8:16 AM, Jodie.Lynne said:

IDK either. 

LOL

 

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Jodie.Lynne
9 minutes ago, 029b10 said:

Nothing, I just threw that cause I heard you guys who believe the earth is flat like stuff like that.

LOL

 

What in the name of the Seven Hells makes you think we believe the world is flat?

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danydandan
1 hour ago, 029b10 said:

Nothing, I just threw that cause I heard you guys who believe the earth is flat like stuff like that.

LOL

 

Have read the whole tread? Or any of my pervious posts. What in the blue moon made you think I'm a Flat-Earther?

1 hour ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

What in the name of the Seven Hells makes you think we believe the world is flat?

I'm also perplexed!

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029b10
On 2/23/2019 at 1:03 PM, Jodie.Lynne said:

What in the name of the Seven Hells makes you think we believe the world is flat?

Reflective deduction.  It is a conclusion based upon the assumptions reflected in your responses.    

For example, would you believe it is possible that the universe probably was flat?

Thus, your response will reflect how you define the term "world".  

On 2/23/2019 at 2:20 PM, danydandan said:

I'm also perplexed!

It is self-induced which occurs from the inability to accept the possibilities all things.  

Thus, it is reflective from your use of the term 'earth' when referring to a scripture which used the term 'world'.  Not to say that you are wrong, yet it does reflect how you would response if asked if the term 'world' being defined by the scriptures as the elements in the heavens could infer physical universe.   

Since your responses reflect that you would accept that the universe was probably flat, but couldn't perceive that the term 'earth' as used in Genesis 1:1 could infer the physical universe, thus the disorder results from the inability to perceive the association of the two.  And that disorder is a good reason to be perplexed. 
 

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danydandan
28 minutes ago, 029b10 said:

Reflective deduction.  It is a conclusion based upon the assumptions reflected in your responses.    

For example, would you believe it is possible that the universe probably was flat?

Thus, your response will reflect how you define the term "world".  

It is self-induced which occurs from the inability to accept the possibilities all things.  

Thus, it is reflective from your use of the term 'earth' when referring to a scripture which used the term 'world'.  Not to say that you are wrong, yet it does reflect how you would response if asked if the term 'world' being defined by the scriptures as the elements in the heavens could infer physical universe.   

Since your responses reflect that you would accept that the universe was probably flat, but couldn't perceive that the term 'earth' as used in Genesis 1:1 could infer the physical universe, thus the disorder results from the inability to perceive the association of the two.  And that disorder is a good reason to be perplexed. 
 

You really are talking crap. 

No-body here thinks the Earth is flat. The term Earth in Genesis means land not the actual planet. As in God created the water and the land. 

There are a number of Biblical scholars who argue the Matthew 4:8, is an assumption of a flat Earth. 

As far as the Universe being 'flat' it depends on the resolution of the observations being made.

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Will Due
8 minutes ago, danydandan said:

As far as the Universe being 'flat' it depends on the resolution of the observations being made.

 

What observations?

 

 

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029b10
12 minutes ago, danydandan said:

As in God created the water and the land. 

So are you expressing your affirmation in the existence of a God in the positive or the negative?  

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danydandan
39 minutes ago, 029b10 said:

So are you expressing your affirmation in the existence of a God in the positive or the negative?  

What does that matter to our discussion? 

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danydandan
44 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

What observations?

 

 

Maybe I should have said it depends on the resolution of the observations.

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danydandan

@Will Due at least the Urantia Book rejects a flat Earth.

But I heard a good one today.

"The flat Earth movement is gaining more and more followers all around the globe"

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Will Due
Just now, danydandan said:

@Will Due at least the Urantia Book rejects a flat Earth.

But I heard a good one today.

"The flat Earth movement is gaining more and more followers all around the globe"

 

Yeah, I've heard that too. 

I wonder why that is? What's behind it?

 

 

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danydandan
3 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Yeah, I've heard that too. 

I wonder why that is? What's behind it?

 

 

The word Globe literally means sphere. The statement is oxymoronic. 

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GoldenWolf

Maybe it just means the four corners of Israel?

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Will Due
11 minutes ago, danydandan said:

The word Globe literally means sphere. The statement is oxymoronic. 

 

Yup. Lol. 

It's a constant problem, human inconstancy.

 

 

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029b10
3 hours ago, danydandan said:

What does that matter to our discussion? 

I guess that would depend upon how you define the term 'discussion'.  When one party asks the other party questions yet won't answer a question asked  then I wouldn't consider that to be a discussion. 

However, your response to a specific question, or rather the lack thereof is reflective of the discourse with a flat earthers, or at least one who has the mentality of a flat earther.

So to specifically answer your question, I think my question on whether you believe in the existence of God would go to your assertions regarding the word of God.  For someone to assert something that they believe God said, who doesn't believe in the existence of God, seems to be reflective of a mental disorder rather than what someone who would assert by faith.

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Doug1o29
On 10/15/2018 at 1:03 PM, XenoFish said:

Can't help but feel that survey/questionnaire was loaded. 

I've always suspected there was something wrong with philosophers.

Doug

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Jodie.Lynne
1 hour ago, 029b10 said:

I guess that would depend upon how you define the term 'discussion'. 

Are we really going to play this game? Are you going to parse and quibble over the common usage of words?

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Jodie.Lynne
6 hours ago, 029b10 said:

Reflective deduction.  It is a conclusion based upon the assumptions reflected in your responses.   

Then your deductions reflected in error. And didn't any one ever warn you about making assumptions?

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