Rlyeh Posted March 9, 2019 #401 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Guyver said: Because they are impossible otherwise. That's a baseless assertion. Regardless whether someone prophesizes or not, how do you go about demonstrating it was God that did it? Because they said so? Edited March 9, 2019 by Rlyeh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted March 9, 2019 Author #402 Share Posted March 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, Rlyeh said: That's a baseless assertion. Regardless whether someone prophesizes or not, how do you go about demonstrating it was God that did it? Because they said so? The term prophecy used to literally mean a message from God communicated via a prophet. Obviously this has changed to where prophecy and prediction mean the same thing, these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted March 9, 2019 #403 Share Posted March 9, 2019 One of my personal favorites ... Caerleon Net LINK Quote ~ Geoffrey Of Monmouth 'Historia Regum Brittaniae' The History of the Kings of Britain BOOK VII. CHAPTER III. THE PROPHECY OF MERLIN. ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted March 9, 2019 #404 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Rlyeh said: Why do you need to be a God to fulfill a prophecy, or make it look like it's been fulfilled? People aren't capable of acting out an event? Nevermind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted March 9, 2019 #405 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, danydandan said: The term prophecy used to literally mean a message from God communicated via a prophet. Obviously this has changed to where prophecy and prediction mean the same thing, these days. Prophecy proves God because only God can give prophecies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted March 9, 2019 Author #406 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rlyeh said: Prophecy proves God because only God can give prophecies... That's what the word used to literally mean. Not that I think any such thing exists, but that's what the word means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactic Goatman Posted March 10, 2019 #407 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/9/2019 at 9:43 AM, Guyver said: Because they are impossible otherwise. By principal alone, prophecies are impossible, as humanity has not invented a time-viewer. So no human can know what is yet to come. They can only know what has been. Prophesies have about as much weight as faith-healing, "alternative" medicine, praying and human-sacrifice. Any prophesy can be true if it is vague enough, that's how fortune tellers and other crystal-ball con-artists make their living. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted March 10, 2019 #408 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/9/2019 at 5:10 AM, danydandan said: So does that assume other God's are capable of prediction and or able to manipulate the events of the future? If that's the case then why is one God favorable over an other? Because "my god" is the one twue god! All other gods (and their believers!) are wrong, since obviously, my worldview and beliefs trump all other worldviews and beliefs!!!! /end snarkasm One of the things I've noticed about believers in deities, is that they can "logically rationalize" their own beliefs as truth. However, the 'logical rationalization' is often circular, and devolves to faith. Sincere Christians will disregard belief in Allah, because they claim that Muslims are being tricked by Satan. Sincere Muslims will disregard belief in Yahweh, because they claim that Christians are being tricked by Satan. And if Christian believers (or any believers in any god) could actually look at the supposed prophecies that they claim predict things, objectively, without bias, and with critical thought, perhaps they would redefine what they mean about "fulfilled prophecies". Sadly, they can't (or won't) and engage in mental & linguistic acrobatics in order to "prove" their beliefs. As I've said, a prophecy requires some concrete information, and a date, or date range, to actually count as a prophecy. If I said: "One day a human will walk on the surface of the 4th planet of the star Alpha Centauri", and this happens, 10,000 years from now, is it a 'prophecy'? If I said: "In 2019, a national leader will die", is it a 'prophecy' if it comes to be? Technically, both of the above statements are prophecies. However, they are soooo broad and vague, they would be more accurately described as "wild guesses". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted March 10, 2019 #409 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/9/2019 at 5:28 AM, Rlyeh said: Why do you need to be a God to fulfill a prophecy, or make it look like it's been fulfilled? People aren't capable of acting out an event? Exactly! If I predict that I will have a steak for dinner, and then have a steak, is that a prophecy? Is it a 'divinely' inspired prophecy? If I predict that sometime in the future, same-sex marriage will be accepted across the globe, and work toward making that a reality, is it a prophecy? Or is it a statement of intent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted March 15, 2019 #410 Share Posted March 15, 2019 On 26/02/2019 at 4:55 AM, danydandan said: @Will Due at least the Urantia Book rejects a flat Earth. But I heard a good one today. "The flat Earth movement is gaining more and more followers all around the globe" Well of course it is. A product of poor education, social media, widespread integration of fantasy into mainstream media, and the lack of other "anchors" in human lives. In such times humans abandon rational thinking and revert to meeting their psychological needs by other means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted March 15, 2019 #411 Share Posted March 15, 2019 If you had xray vision eyes you could see the whole earth from where you are, or from the moon (to hark back a couple of weeks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted March 15, 2019 #412 Share Posted March 15, 2019 8 hours ago, Mr Walker said: If you had xray vision eyes you could see the whole earth from where you are, or from the moon (to hark back a couple of weeks) X-ray vision would mean you'd be able to see x-ray wavelength. You're not going to see through the earth. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted March 15, 2019 #413 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Rlyeh said: X-ray vision would mean you'd be able to see x-ray wavelength. You're not going to see through the earth. Obviously there is some fancy University somewhere in Australia that teaches otherwise ... ~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted March 15, 2019 #414 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, third_eye said: Obviously there is some fancy University somewhere in Australia that teaches otherwise ... ~ Or superman comics. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted March 16, 2019 #415 Share Posted March 16, 2019 15 hours ago, Rlyeh said: X-ray vision would mean you'd be able to see x-ray wavelength. You're not going to see through the earth. lol By definition, in this scenario the vision would "see" through the earth. It was not a scientific comment, but a humorous one. It had me thinking of superman and his temptation to look through Lois Lane's dress. Also those x ray glasses advertised on the back of comics in the fifties and sixties. piece of trivia, without googling, does anyone know what the S on superman's outfit stands for ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted March 16, 2019 #416 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr Walker said: lol By definition, in this scenario the vision would "see" through the earth. It was not a scientific comment, but a humorous one. It had me thinking of superman and his temptation to look through Lois Lane's dress. Also those x ray glasses advertised on the back of comics in the fifties and sixties. piece of trivia, without googling, does anyone know what the S on superman's outfit stands for ? Hi Walker Fiction meets three boobed reality. jmccr8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted March 16, 2019 #417 Share Posted March 16, 2019 20 hours ago, Rlyeh said: X-ray vision would mean you'd be able to see x-ray wavelength. You're not going to see through the earth. Not according to my understanding of Superman comics, the viewer is able to see right through objects, with x-ray vision. Not catch stray x-rays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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