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Great Unity of Humanity

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StarMountainKid

Looked through the web page, watched a video (in Chinese). Looks like a prosperous enterprise.

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Podo

It's cute but it's idealistic.

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Piney
55 minutes ago, Podo said:

It's cute but it's idealistic.

Hsuan Hua is a really idealistic and honest monk but he's not a realist and I don't think he really understands the Western mindset.  

But I'm certain he would get upset if somebody called him a Bodhisattva. He's not. He's just a monk who hasn't experienced much of the real world and sets his hopes too high. 

I like him though. :yes:

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Amita
3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Hsuan Hua is a really idealistic and honest monk but he's not a realist and I don't think he really understands the Western mindset.  

But I'm certain he would get upset if somebody called him a Bodhisattva. He's not. He's just a monk who hasn't experienced much of the real world and sets his hopes too high. 

I like him though. :yes:

I knew my Master Hsuan Hua - you did not, nor probably anyone else here.  He was never 'upset' - never!  Which is one sign of a real Bodhisattva. 

His experience of the Western mindset was accurate, which is why he did not cater to our intellectual & sensory fashions.  He presented a solid path of the buddhadharma and those who tread it get their merit now and in future lifetimes.  

This specific talk was a correct explanation of what the ancient Sage Confucius taught & advocated.  The sad fact that the ideal has yet to be realized, has nothing to do with high ideals or hopes - just the low thoughts, words & deeds of most of humanity.

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Piney
6 minutes ago, Amita said:

This specific talk was a correct explanation of what the ancient Sage Confucius taught & advocated.  The sad fact that the ideal has yet to be realized, has nothing to do with high ideals or hopes - just the low thoughts, words & deeds of most of humanity.

It was adopted in the Asian political mindset centuries ago and it would take centuries to get it "driven in" a Western political mindset which is a "cult of personality" not a caring for the people. 

6 minutes ago, Amita said:

I knew my Master Hsuan Hua - you did not, nor probably anyone else here.  He was never 'upset' - never!  Which is one sign of a real Bodhisattva. 

You speak of him in a past tense. I thought he was still living?

My sister did meet him. She travels all over Asia to listen to various monks and visit temples and shrines and I've been to many myself. 

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Will Due

 

"Bodhisatva, won't you take me by the hand?"

 

 

 

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Amita
1 hour ago, Piney said:

It was adopted in the Asian political mindset centuries ago and it would take centuries to get it "driven in" a Western political mindset which is a "cult of personality" not a caring for the people. 

You speak of him in a past tense. I thought he was still living?

My sister did meet him. She travels all over Asia to listen to various monks and visit temples and shrines and I've been to many myself. 

Not caring for others, whether animals, trees, the earth, people or invisible beings is common to all of humanity, not just we in the West.  If the Buddhadharma or Taoism or Confucianism were dominant, then Communism & Japanese fascism would not have gained and kept power for so long in the East.  Now our Western secularism is spreading into the East.

Bodhisattva Hsuan Hua dropped his 'skin-bag' in June of 1995.  But his living Presence is still available to benefit beings.

Talk to your sister, maybe then you will not be so eager to give your worthless opinion about a great one you know nothing about.  

There are many ways to learn about Master, here is a sample from some who knew him:

http://www.cttbusa.org/inmemoriam/inmemoriam.asp

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Piney
7 hours ago, Amita said:

Not caring for others, whether animals, trees, the earth, people or invisible beings is common to all of humanity, not just we in the West.  If the Buddhadharma or Taoism or Confucianism were dominant, then Communism & Japanese fascism would not have gained and kept power for so long in the East.  Now our Western secularism is spreading into the East

Japanese Communism and Socialism was ended in one sword stroke on live TV. 

I'm a "Keeper" remember? I plant things for bees, monarchs and other creatures , watch wildlife for poachers, help injured and endangered ones. Ghost the festivals at the local Temple for trouble.

Before that I ran with ARC and the AFSC. Volunteered at a Indian Center in the ghetto. Gathered the homeless off the streets in winter.  Worked with troubled youth. There's a newspaper article in here about me. 

Before you toss angry insults around what are you doing for your Karma?   

 

 

 

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Amita
5 hours ago, Piney said:

Japanese Communism and Socialism was ended in one sword stroke on live TV. 

I'm a "Keeper" remember? I plant things for bees, monarchs and other creatures , watch wildlife for poachers, help injured and endangered ones. Ghost the festivals at the local Temple for trouble.

Before that I ran with ARC and the AFSC. Volunteered at a Indian Center in the ghetto. Gathered the homeless off the streets in winter.  Worked with troubled youth. There's a newspaper article in here about me. 

Before you toss angry insults around what are you doing for your Karma?   

My previous remarks about 'not caring' had nothing to do with you.  It was just pointing out that 'not caring' is not confined to the Western societies.

Your opinion of my Master Hsuan Hua was based on zero knowledge of him & I reminded you of that.  If that bothers you and leads you brag about your good karma, so be it.  I am sure you are a far better person than I.

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Piney
38 minutes ago, Amita said:

Your opinion of my Master Hsuan Hua was based on zero knowledge of him & I reminded you of that.  If that bothers you and leads you brag about your good karma, so be it.  I am sure you are a far better person than I.

Anger and a false pride in acomplishing nothing. :lol:

A bodhisattva is a "metaphor" for how a person should act. Not a person themselves. :lol:  

You have just proven the hyprocrisy of Theosophists. :lol: 

 

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StarMountainKid

No matter how sincere the message may be, I'm wary of gurus. As Piney infers above, the message is important, not the person conveying the message. The person is only a vehicle through which the message travels. 

We should honor wise individuals, but they are not deities, they remain human beings with human frailties intact. The Buddha said, be a lamp unto yourself. I think this is his best advice to us.

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Podo
1 hour ago, StarMountainKid said:

No matter how sincere the message may be, I'm wary of gurus. As Piney infers above, the message is important, not the person conveying the message. The person is only a vehicle through which the message travels. 

We should honor wise individuals, but they are not deities, they remain human beings with human frailties intact. The Buddha said, be a lamp unto yourself. I think this is his best advice to us.

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devilmaycare

I am physically AND spiritually aware of the oneness of man across the entire globe. This is a fact, not an ideology.

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Amita
29 minutes ago, devilmaycare said:

I am physically AND spiritually aware of the oneness of man across the entire globe. This is a fact, not an ideology.

Good for you, I agree fully. Yet the sad fact still is, that of the 7 billion plus humans the percentage of those who even act as if all humans were unified (not to mention Know of the unity) is very tiny.

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jaylemurph
3 hours ago, devilmaycare said:

I am physically AND spiritually aware of the oneness of man across the entire globe. This is a fact, not an ideology.

...if you happen to be born with white skin, maybe. I feel like people of color might not agree so simply or readily. 

—Jaylemurph 

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GoldenWolf
On 10/16/2018 at 8:05 AM, Amita said:

Bodhisattva Hsuan Hua gave a short essay on Confucius' ideas for a harmonious humanity:

http://www.cttbusa.org/other/greatunity.htm

Why not just use these?

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Sir Wearer of Hats
9 hours ago, MysticWolf said:

Why not just use these?

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Or the “Good Aussie” Rule.

dont be a d*******.

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Mr Walker
On 26/10/2018 at 4:16 PM, jaylemurph said:

...if you happen to be born with white skin, maybe. I feel like people of color might not agree so simply or readily. 

—Jaylemurph 

Neither gender/sexuality, nor skin colour,  nor any other physical attribute, define a human being.  Humans are basically not physical beings, but beings of the mind. and all human minds are  common or at least have the potential to be common with, and connected to, all other minds.  If you want to find your self, don't look in a mirror, go into your mind and study it.  

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jaylemurph
24 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Neither gender/sexuality, nor skin colour,  nor any other physical attribute, define a human being.  Humans are basically not physical beings, but beings of the mind. and all human minds are  common or at least have the potential to be common with, and connected to, all other minds.  If you want to find your self, don't look in a mirror, go into your mind and study it.  

If you think race doesn't define a person, at least in part, then you are sorely out of touch with reality. Does your entire philosophy consist of platitudes?

--Jaylemurph

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Mr Walker
1 hour ago, jaylemurph said:

If you think race doesn't define a person, at least in part, then you are sorely out of touch with reality. Does your entire philosophy consist of platitudes?

--Jaylemurph

Race only defines people because we construct identities based on external appearance, suchas race  gender  sexuality\ etc.

However what defines every human being, exists within their mind, not in their appearance 

Very simply, an ugly appearance, or a disability, or something like dwarfism, or being born with no limbs, only defines who you are, if you ALLOW it to.  

It is not a platitude but a deeply held realisation and conviction which i have grown into as i got older 

I just spent 6 weeks in  hospital being cared for, from cleaners, through nurses, doctors, to specialists, by people from 30 or more countries around the world  I couldn't tell you what race the y were or where they came from but I can tell you that every one of them was a caring compassionate and professorial human being.

And  IMO that is ALL that matters  For example one night i had 4 nurses and a doctor examining a wound in my groin left from the operation and leaking fluids profusely   All were female an everyone was a different nationality I could observe this (and it was impossible not to) but it did not affect my opinion or feelings about them.

  Apparently it does some people, as my doctor asked me if i felt paranoid  due to the drugs and if i was particularly concerned by certain types of people I Knew what he was getting at and said no, I was neither paranoid/afraid nor concerned about race or gender My only concern was the skill level of the carers

However, this is now such a common problem in the hospital, that all patients are subtly questioned about their prejudices and fears. 

One night I heard a patient a couple of doors down yelling at one of the nurses to go back to where she came from. He was affected by drugs after the op but might also have been prejudiced to begin with . She dealt with it professionally using diversion and  a calm  gentle but assertive voice.

 

I got a good look  at  most areas of the hospital and would estimate that 90% of people who work there are non Australian born  and from 50 or more countries. However i never met one who could not communicate effectively, or did not know what they were doing, professionally. Their appearance was irrelevant, as was their gender .

My extended family includes indigenous Australians and people from England, Italian, Greek, and other  nationalities  However i never think of them in those terms, just as people, and judge them by how they  behave and treat others. It doesn't matter what race you are, as long as you, for example, treat your partner with love and respect  and provide for your children.

Identity is a complex thing, but many forms of identity are divisive and become political .For example I am a man but i have never abused (physically verbally or emotionally) or harmed a woman in any way in my entire life. Nonetheless, simply by being a man i am labelled, along with all other men, as  dangerous; a member of  half of the species with a propensity for violence, uncontrolled behaviour, and a source of fear. 

 

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Amita
10 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Race only defines people because we construct identities based on external appearance, such as race  gender  sexuality\ etc.

However what defines every human being, exists within their mind, not in their appearance 

Very simply, an ugly appearance, or a disability, or something like dwarfism, or being born with no limbs, only defines who you are, if you ALLOW it to.  

Humans are composite beings and the parts that our senses detect is just the 'cadaver,' as Confucius called it. Without the vital prana, mind & spirit-Atma we would not exist here.

The pitiable fact that most of us form our identities based solely on our sensory data & ignore or deny out true sublime nature is the root of our sectarian squabbles, wars, etcetera.

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