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What is the Nature of Ghost?

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EsotericScience
1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

Define occult practices.

It's just that those who open doors become "marked" or a beacon. I don't know how to hid myself from these things or if I even can & even thinking about it too much can draw their attention so it's just best not to talk about details.

What I did was dangerous & stupid & there were repercussions. At the time I didn't realize curses don't go away & rebound back to you & I didn't protect myself. It all seems to be "dormant" now & I'd like to keep it that way.

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Piney
11 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I'd say that in my 25 years of occult practices I have had maybe at tops 5 events that made me say "WTF!".

I had one major WTF moment. A Earth Bound who must of been powerful in life but deranged as hell. A pedo who snuffed his victims ( and got off on it) and hid them in the walls during the 19th Century.  It was a old 17th Century tavern. He was the owner. Whoa! Pure evil thoughout the whole place.

Then my revival....

When they were holding ceremonies against me with my masks. I didn't care. It was after my stroke and I was hoping it gave me the stroke that killed me. My grandfather kept showing up and telling me find Niall. I couldn't figure out who Niall was. Then during a big SP-seizure event my grandfather showed up in full and yelled at me to "Draw the Mide Sign ( Veve-Sigil) for the Old One. Blood was pouring out of my nose and ears. I rolled onto the floor and drew the sign with my blood. It was like a thunderclap. Uncle Grey Squirrel, our Meteinuu showed up and was like "WTF DID YOU DO!". People were seeing a panther or having nightmares about it. Having nightmares of me showing up, shifting into one and attacking them.

Niall was @Not A Rockstar  The Nile Shaman. 

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Lord Harry

I know what the "nature of ghost" is... Wait for it... The nature of ghost is FAKE! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

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Piney
12 minutes ago, EsotericScience said:

What I did was dangerous & stupid & there were repercussions. At the time I didn't realize curses don't go away & rebound back to you & I didn't protect myself. It all seems to be "dormant" now & I'd like to keep it that way.

Like I said. It can hurt you only if you empower it and let it. It's not about drums, rattles or masks, but the "Power of Intention".  

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Piney
3 minutes ago, Lord Harry said:

I know what the "nature of ghost" is... Wait for it... The nature of ghost is FAKE! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Look Harry, Cladking is over at Handcock's waiting for you. Then be a mate, drink another 6er and pass out for us, will you? 

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EsotericScience
3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Like I said. It can hurt you only if you empower it and let it. It's not about drums, rattles or masks, but the "Power of Intention".  

Oh I know. I did things with malicious intent because I was unrighteously angry & I very much regret that now.

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Piney
1 minute ago, EsotericScience said:

Oh I know. I did things with malicious intent because I was unrighteously angry & I very much regret that now.

I did thing with malicious intent to the people who set me up and had me put in the gang max in prison. Then with the people who destroyed my ranch while I was in prison. 

But if your anger was misplaced, it was different. Balance. Bad fights evil. Good helps good. 

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XenoFish
33 minutes ago, EsotericScience said:

It's just that those who open doors become "marked" or a beacon. I don't know how to hid myself from these things or if I even can & even thinking about it too much can draw their attention so it's just best not to talk about details.

What I did was dangerous & stupid & there were repercussions. At the time I didn't realize curses don't go away & rebound back to you & I didn't protect myself. It all seems to be "dormant" now & I'd like to keep it that way.

Never had that problem. I've called upon enochian entities, demons, various spirits, the dead. Made a pact before, it went well. So yeah, for some reason I never got the "oo, spooky woo" treatment. I hear people crying all the time about "demonic" attacks, etc. But nothing. A few weird dreams. What exactly did you do?

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XenoFish

The thing about magick is that it works through the path of least resistance, you are that path. It changes how you think. It's a pumped up, roided out, system of self-affirmations. You implant an idea within your subconscious. Whatever it might be. It grows, fueled by your emotions and belief, affecting your mindset and eventually your perception of reality. I still dabble when I feel in the mood. It's mostly intention-manifestation type stuff, a sigil here and there, or a full on hypersigil. 

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EsotericScience
17 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Never had that problem. I've called upon enochian entities, demons, various spirits, the dead. Made a pact before, it went well. So yeah, for some reason I never got the "oo, spooky woo" treatment. I hear people crying all the time about "demonic" attacks, etc. But nothing. A few weird dreams. What exactly did you do?

Then I suspect that you weren't truly taking it seriously. That you treated it more like a game & maybe possibility mocked the whole idea of it.

If your not taking "them?" seriously & show respect then they wont take you seriously either.

I wont go into detail thus why I use the term Esoteric in my username.

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XenoFish
5 minutes ago, EsotericScience said:

Then I suspect that you weren't truly taking it seriously. That you treated it more like a game & maybe possibility mocked the whole idea of it.

If your not taking "them?" seriously & show respect then they wont take you seriously either.

I wont go into detail thus why I use the term Esoteric in my username.

How do you know? You assume that it was all fun and games, granted some of the lighter stuff was. Sigils, affirmations, intention-manifestation, that was fun. The more evocation type stuff. That was my serious work. I wanted something out of every bit of it. I didn't want to believe, I wanted to know. For 100% certain. Though I never got it. I don't think you know this stuff well. I don't think you've really looked into the actual mechanics of it. You come off as very new to it all.

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EsotericScience
12 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

How do you know? You assume that it was all fun and games, granted some of the lighter stuff was. Sigils, affirmations, intention-manifestation, that was fun. The more evocation type stuff. That was my serious work. I wanted something out of every bit of it. I didn't want to believe, I wanted to know. For 100% certain. Though I never got it. I don't think you know this stuff well. I don't think you've really looked into the actual mechanics of it. You come off as very new to it all.

I just stopped when I noticed the adverse effects of it all & that I was being manipulated & lied to.

I was looking for answers but it seems it's not for me to know.

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XenoFish
5 minutes ago, EsotericScience said:

I just stopped when I noticed the adverse effects of it all & that I was being manipulated & lied to.

I was looking for answers but it seems it's not for me to know.

There are no answers. 

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Not A Rockstar
16 hours ago, Piney said:

Like I said. It can hurt you only if you empower it and let it. It's not about drums, rattles or masks, but the "Power of Intention".  

That stuff is training wheels to learn to ride the bicycles most do not believe in and never see.

 

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Not A Rockstar
15 hours ago, EsotericScience said:

I just stopped when I noticed the adverse effects of it all & that I was being manipulated & lied to.

I was looking for answers but it seems it's not for me to know.

Not sure how old you are but these things take years sometimes, decades even, some say lifetimes, to evolve into full maturity. I am 59, will be 60 in a few months, and some of my earliest questions have been answered, I understand a great deal compared to what I once did, but, it is as nothing. The more you learn the more you realize is out there to still learn.

People think of adverse effects as being some high woo dramatic attack and dishes flying across rooms and dark shadow people running a marathon in the attic, but they can also be depression, despair, profound searing which deadens us within. It can be insidious and when you try to get help, usually the help knows a lot less than the victim does about it all. 

ES you sound like I did about...25 years ago maybe? I rejected everything in a pain there is no word for, but, I feel you might know about, and was raging inside and deeply wounded. I drifted as close to agnostic as I ever have in this life, and then found Haitian Vodou and some people who tuned me around and opened doors which set me free and also proved to lead through Hell for many before it was over. If I told that story most here would roll their eyes and wonder if I am on something obscure they wish they knew about, but, it is all utterly true. I don't joke about God or Spirit. 

IMO, if you have the genuine ability to perceive (that word is critical and not common, no matter what the high numbers of claimers out there may be - GENUINE) you came here with the escort needed to deal with that safely and rightly and it is part of why you came. It sounds trite to say, but there are answers out here, they may not be what you think you are asking now, but they are answers nevertheless. I have done things I should have died over and walked away, because I was supposed to learn it. Payments came before or in other forms for it, or Grace was sufficient.

It is for you, too. Keep asking and pondering and you will see and work through this to your own unique pathwork this go. The cosmos actually IS benevolent, intelligent, and with us all.

Give it time. 

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Not A Rockstar
16 hours ago, Piney said:

 My grandfather kept showing up and telling me find Niall. I couldn't figure out who Niall was. Then during a big SP-seizure event my grandfather showed up in full and yelled at me to "Draw the Mide Sign ( Veve-Sigil) for the Old One. Blood was pouring out of my nose and ears. I rolled onto the floor and drew the sign with my blood. It was like a thunderclap. Uncle Grey Squirrel, our Meteinuu showed up and was like "WTF DID YOU DO!". People were seeing a panther or having nightmares about it. Having nightmares of me showing up, shifting into one and attacking them. 

Your Grandfather is a trip, bro, and I love him madly :D 

We panthers stick together. Forever.

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stereologist

A question I always have is how a ghost seems to be connected to a person'e view? What makes a ghost stable? Are you subject to gravity and EM as regular matter is?

The Earth is rotating quickly, 1000mph at the equator. The Earth is revolving about the Sun at 67,000 mph. The solar system is orbiting the galaxy.

Despite all of these motions ghosts seem as steady as anything can be. 

Are they subject to the forces of physics? Are they imaginary?

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Not A Rockstar
7 hours ago, stereologist said:

A question I always have is how a ghost seems to be connected to a person'e view? What makes a ghost stable? Are you subject to gravity and EM as regular matter is?

The Earth is rotating quickly, 1000mph at the equator. The Earth is revolving about the Sun at 67,000 mph. The solar system is orbiting the galaxy.

Despite all of these motions ghosts seem as steady as anything can be. 

Are they subject to the forces of physics? Are they imaginary?

Are you seriously open to entertaining some speculative theorizing? I don't waste my time trying to explain or convince but if you are serious, I will open a window enough to share a few things I have observed, in hopes we could actually get some understandings or theories about it going, even if they do not hold up, as I have wondered myself how to even try to explain or express.

Comment/Answer 1: They seem to not be affected at all by gravity or EM as regular matter is. They are not physical matter in their environs in the same way we know it here, from what I have seen. I have had several tell me they "move on thought? as in they think who they need to see and are there. I mean to say they are matter there, but not here, it is different there.

Comment/Answer 2: I deal with dead people occasionally, do some mediumistic work though do not consider myself a medium, because I do not call it up and make it happen on demand like mediums do. What happens is that sometimes I am talking or counselling someone online and I find a presence beside me who belongs to them and validates and shows me things to tell the person and then leaves. I will convey messages but I do not solicit this sort of thing. I consider dead people as different from the word ghost as it gets used for everything and can be other energetic/mental trash. 

I have seen them adhere to physics only insofar as they are communicating with us or lingering on our side of the Divide. To interact here they do, if they don't it is as if they can seem to not be there. It is an option, far as I can determine.

It is hard to answer your final question here, "are they imaginary?" as it will be taken wrong. NAR will never say all spirits are imaginary, so don't try to say that I did (anyone who reads this later). I will say that one way for me to describe what I observe around them in their own element is AS IF what we can only imagine and perceive as that state is reality for them. 

One thing I have realized in decades of observations, travels, journeying, etc is that they have no time where they are. At any point over there they can say oh let me go answer NAR and they move and drop into my linear timeline and to me they came fast. Who knows in their timeframe when they actually left the "house"? 

If one is speaking of dead people/souls, I have a lot of doubts that ghost hunting stuff is ever going to detect them unless they do something to cause it, and most of them really don't even care to do that or mess with anyone. Detectors and talk boxes and scanners and such I just observe in the occasional ghost show and come to no serious conclusion about them. It makes no sense to me honestly.

Now hauntings and weird things and poltergeist and presences and such are what I think of as ghosts and it is a poorly defined term anymore. It can damn near mean anything these days, and as one who has gone in to check out things, it is rare, very rare a soul is anywhere involved, but there can be odd energies, echoes, weird events and a degree of intelligence in some of the more advanced infestations. Some can and do trip various detectors it seems. I have cleared areas and also in other tasks, worked with souls, been around them. Two totally different topics.

Now this s just one worker's responses from what that one worker sees and how he sees. We vary greatly. I would never say this is how it is, only how I perceive things work around me. Most of us do not bother to talk about it, as most of us are not interested in efforts to tell us we are stupid, insane, delusional or liars. Not interested. Don't care. 

But, if you are serious about trying to nail down better wth is going on or might be happening, what observations as a serious and competent worker might suggest, I have the interest in that. 

Yet, we won't really know, I don't think. Just it is refreshing to read a question like this from a mind like yours, and I thank you for at least asking and wondering. I would love to have a better grasp on what it is about and where they are when they aren't here. I just do not expect it anymore.

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Jenn8779

@XenoFish I think I remember you saying you had threads on sigil magic? Can't find it... maybe spelling it wrong?

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On 11/16/2018 at 8:24 PM, Not A Rockstar said:

Are you seriously open to entertaining some speculative theorizing? I don't waste my time trying to explain or convince but if you are serious, I will open a window enough to share a few things I have observed, in hopes we could actually get some understandings or theories about it going, even if they do not hold up, as I have wondered myself how to even try to explain or express.

Comment/Answer 1: They seem to not be affected at all by gravity or EM as regular matter is. They are not physical matter in their environs in the same way we know it here, from what I have seen. I have had several tell me they "move on thought? as in they think who they need to see and are there. I mean to say they are matter there, but not here, it is different there.

Comment/Answer 2: I deal with dead people occasionally, do some mediumistic work though do not consider myself a medium, because I do not call it up and make it happen on demand like mediums do. What happens is that sometimes I am talking or counselling someone online and I find a presence beside me who belongs to them and validates and shows me things to tell the person and then leaves. I will convey messages but I do not solicit this sort of thing. I consider dead people as different from the word ghost as it gets used for everything and can be other energetic/mental trash. 

I have seen them adhere to physics only insofar as they are communicating with us or lingering on our side of the Divide. To interact here they do, if they don't it is as if they can seem to not be there. It is an option, far as I can determine.

It is hard to answer your final question here, "are they imaginary?" as it will be taken wrong. NAR will never say all spirits are imaginary, so don't try to say that I did (anyone who reads this later). I will say that one way for me to describe what I observe around them in their own element is AS IF what we can only imagine and perceive as that state is reality for them. 

One thing I have realized in decades of observations, travels, journeying, etc is that they have no time where they are. At any point over there they can say oh let me go answer NAR and they move and drop into my linear timeline and to me they came fast. Who knows in their timeframe when they actually left the "house"? 

If one is speaking of dead people/souls, I have a lot of doubts that ghost hunting stuff is ever going to detect them unless they do something to cause it, and most of them really don't even care to do that or mess with anyone. Detectors and talk boxes and scanners and such I just observe in the occasional ghost show and come to no serious conclusion about them. It makes no sense to me honestly.

Now hauntings and weird things and poltergeist and presences and such are what I think of as ghosts and it is a poorly defined term anymore. It can damn near mean anything these days, and as one who has gone in to check out things, it is rare, very rare a soul is anywhere involved, but there can be odd energies, echoes, weird events and a degree of intelligence in some of the more advanced infestations. Some can and do trip various detectors it seems. I have cleared areas and also in other tasks, worked with souls, been around them. Two totally different topics.

Now this s just one worker's responses from what that one worker sees and how he sees. We vary greatly. I would never say this is how it is, only how I perceive things work around me. Most of us do not bother to talk about it, as most of us are not interested in efforts to tell us we are stupid, insane, delusional or liars. Not interested. Don't care. 

But, if you are serious about trying to nail down better wth is going on or might be happening, what observations as a serious and competent worker might suggest, I have the interest in that. 

Yet, we won't really know, I don't think. Just it is refreshing to read a question like this from a mind like yours, and I thank you for at least asking and wondering. I would love to have a better grasp on what it is about and where they are when they aren't here. I just do not expect it anymore.

That tells me that ghosts should not be stable. They should zip out of view almost instantly. 

Since they are not physical matter then they cannot interact with anything to be seen. If they are not particles then there can be no particle interactions. That includes light which are particles called photons.

The reason things stay with us as we whirl around the axis of the Earth and around the Sun and around the galaxy is that objects are subject to gravity and EM. Without  that they would be lost right away. 

Our path is not a simple path through the cosmos yet ghosts appear to be extremely stable. To stay stable from someone's point of view would have them interacting with gravity and EM or reproducing the nontrivial path we take through space and with amazing precision. Even a slight deviation would make the ghost not stable for even small fractions of a second.

If a ghost makes sounds then it is interacting with matter using EM. If a ghost is visible then it is interacting with particles using EM.

That is how all sound is made, the EM force. That is why we feel solid. That is why we are visible. It's all the EM force.

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Not A Rockstar

So, then, if EM has to be present for some activity then perhaps it is valid as a tool to try to explore the phenomenon to try to determine what it is.

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