ian hacktorp Posted October 23, 2018 #201 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: Oh wow ........ the link I posted was based on widely publicly available information. I think you meant "widely publicly available misleading conclusion". The notion that any and all potential terrorists were somehow cleaned out in that single event is ridiculous (but I think you know that). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted October 23, 2018 #202 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Thinking about it, we should just invade Guatemala and Honduras and make them colonies. If their populations want to come here, then we should absorb these nations and setup American government there so that they can acclimate to it. And as each state fails, just take it over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted October 23, 2018 Author #203 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) It shows by a family that made it over on the river claimed it is the criminals that want their money. It only goes to show that dammed democrats support them want the money and their votes to get over the power Edited October 23, 2018 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Supertypo Posted October 23, 2018 #204 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I dont know about the votes lots of these migrants are from rural areas and they are conservative catholics. They arent fond of gays nor multiple genders. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted October 23, 2018 #205 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Mr Supertypo said: I dont know about the votes lots of these migrants are from rural areas and they are conservative catholics. They arent fond of gays nor multiple genders. Just saying. it's ok they are not white straight males, so they can do no wrong. Edited October 23, 2018 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted October 24, 2018 #206 Share Posted October 24, 2018 6 hours ago, aztek said: you assume isis does not recruit anywhere they can. they may very well be Guatemala citizens radicalized and recruited by isis I know the source is unreliable, but Donald Trump was the one saying that there was middle eastern terrorists coming in with the caravan: http://time.com/5432702/president-trump-admits-he-has-no-proof-terrorists-are-in-the-migrant-caravan/ He didn't say anything about them recruiting Guatemalans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted October 24, 2018 #207 Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gromdor said: I know the source is unreliable, but Donald Trump was the one saying that there was middle eastern terrorists coming in with the caravan: http://time.com/5432702/president-trump-admits-he-has-no-proof-terrorists-are-in-the-migrant-caravan/ He didn't say anything about them recruiting Guatemalans. so your argument that trump said something that is not accurate, but not actual situation on hand, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted October 24, 2018 #208 Share Posted October 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, aztek said: so your argument that trump said something that is not accurate, but not actual situation on hand, got it. Pretty sure the "ISIS is recruiting Guatemalans" is your spin on what Trump said which makes it two steps removed from the actual situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted October 24, 2018 #209 Share Posted October 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Mr Supertypo said: I dont know about the votes lots of these migrants are from rural areas and they are conservative catholics. They arent fond of gays nor multiple genders. Just saying. They also don't know a thing about American politics and would vote as they were told to vote. Bussed and fed, they would be easily led. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted October 24, 2018 #210 Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gromdor said: Pretty sure the "ISIS is recruiting Guatemalans" is your spin on what Trump said which makes it two steps removed from the actual situation. ok, anytime you wanna talk about actual odds of terrorists coming in that caravan, i'm here, but if you want to talk about what trump said, i'm sure you'll find someone else happy to chat about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted October 24, 2018 #211 Share Posted October 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, aztek said: ok, anytime you wanna talk about actual odds of terrorists coming in that caravan, i'm here, but if you want to talk about what trump said, i'm sure you'll find someone else happy to chat about that. The odds are nil. ISIS wouldn't join a caravan who's whole purpose is to go to the US border, turn themselves in, file for asylum, and undergo a background check while in detention- all while in the eye of the media and various governments. They would just pay a coyote to smuggle them into the US in a drug tunnel, if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted October 24, 2018 #212 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gromdor said: The odds are nil. odds are great , they arrested 100 isis in Guatemala. unless you say it did not happen i see odds being quite high. and no, they do not care about background checks, that is laughable. they have no papers, no records in usa database,. never dismiss Murphy law Edited October 24, 2018 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted October 24, 2018 #213 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, aztek said: odds are great , they arrested 100 isis in Guatemala. unless you say it did not happen i see odds being quite high. and no, they do not care about background checks, that is laughable. they have no papers, no records in usa database,. You seem unfamiliar with our refugee process. They actually do vet very well and many people get denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted October 24, 2018 #214 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Gromdor said: You seem unfamiliar with our refugee process. They actually do vet very well and many people get denied. no, i'm not familiar with vetting process of illegals, but i see tons of illegals in nyc who never had any vetting. if you saying they are trying to cause a confrontation , get arrested, vetted.. ect. so what, recruited Guatemala national terrorist has no problem doing it, no one knows he is isis, when he gets here, he waits for farther instructions . i do not see anything unrealistic, Edited October 24, 2018 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted October 24, 2018 #215 Share Posted October 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gromdor said: The odds are nil. ISIS wouldn't join a caravan who's whole purpose is to go to the US border, turn themselves in, file for asylum, and undergo a background check while in detention- all while in the eye of the media and various governments. They would just pay a coyote to smuggle them into the US in a drug tunnel, if anything. There would be too many to hold in detention, so what would happen is what always happens. They are released with a promise to return on their scheduled court date, of which the majority are no shows. So sure, they'll join a caravan in a heartbeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gertdoggy Posted October 24, 2018 #216 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Gromdor said: The odds are nil. ISIS wouldn't join a caravan who's whole purpose is to go to the US border, turn themselves in, file for asylum, and undergo a background check while in detention- all while in the eye of the media and various governments. They would just pay a coyote to smuggle them into the US in a drug tunnel, if anything. It is not exactly like ISIS members would be wearing a sign stating their intentions. They do a pretty good job blending in among different cultures including our own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted October 24, 2018 #217 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, aztek said: odds are great , they arrested 100 isis in Guatemala. unless you say it did not happen i see odds being quite high. and no, they do not care about background checks, that is laughable. they have no papers, no records in usa database,. never dismiss Murphy law They arrested and deported 100 people whom they said were "highly linked" to terrorist groups like ISIS- completely different meaning than being a part of ISIS. Guatemala might be known for a lot of things but terrorism isn't one of them: https://www.worlddata.info/america/guatemala/terrorism.php How many terrorist attacks by Guatemalans have occurred in the US in the last 50 years? Even with the annual caravan of thousands that has been coming here regularly. Zero, none, nil, zilch. If you want to promote fear mongering, at least make it plausible. Say they are sneaking in tunnels or on board shipping vessels. Saying they are marching in plain view into the arms of US authorities to be detained and vetted is just absurd beyond belief. Edited October 24, 2018 by Gromdor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted October 24, 2018 #218 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I'd have to agree with a number of posters here. I think the 'terrorist angle' on this caravan is.. well.. somewhat unlikely. I'm not saying it can't happen... there ARE muslims in Guatemala, Nicaragua and Honduras (mostly Palestinian immigrants), but their numbers are VERY small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 24, 2018 #219 Share Posted October 24, 2018 9 hours ago, RavenHawk said: Thinking about it, we should just invade Guatemala and Honduras and make them colonies. If their populations want to come here, then we should absorb these nations and setup American government there so that they can acclimate to it. And as each state fails, just take it over. RavenHawk: bringing 1845 to 2018. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted October 24, 2018 #220 Share Posted October 24, 2018 So who is providing food and sanitary measures for all these people? I heard there is another caravan of about 2500 gathering at the Guatemalan border. So Mexico has an army...why aren't they turning this crowd around and herding them back to the first border? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted October 24, 2018 #221 Share Posted October 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Setton said: RavenHawk: bringing 1845 to 2018. Caravans (mass migrations) are so 1845 (or whatever) too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted October 24, 2018 #222 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) Just now, Gromdor said: They arrested and deported 100 people whom they said were "highly linked" to terrorist groups like ISIS- completely different meaning than being a part of ISIS. you mean the same way 19 hijackers on 9\11 were only linked to Taliban. that sure did not stop them from killing over 3000 it does not matter if you are high ranking gangster, or just been recruited, you ARE gang member, period. same with isis. and as far as no Guatemalans have been terrorists, lol, so what, there are plenty of violent criminals from Guatemala here in USA, there is absolutely nothing stopping them to commit crimes for isis instead of another gang. i have no doubt isis can hold someone's family hostage and make them do what isis tells them. all of it is very possible and likely to happen. Edited October 24, 2018 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted October 24, 2018 #223 Share Posted October 24, 2018 btw, people here seem to mix up paranoia and being vigilant, or do not even know the difference. or just playing dumb 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted October 24, 2018 #224 Share Posted October 24, 2018 15 hours ago, Mr Supertypo said: I dont know about the votes lots of these migrants are from rural areas and they are conservative catholics. They arent fond of gays nor multiple genders. Just saying. Despite the influence California may have, they aren't the moral compass for the rest of the world. Minorities tend to come from conservative backgrounds which is hilarious and ironic when you think about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted October 24, 2018 #225 Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 hours ago, skliss said: So who is providing food and sanitary measures for all these people? I heard there is another caravan of about 2500 gathering at the Guatemalan border. So Mexico has an army...why aren't they turning this crowd around and herding them back to the first border? The Mexican army may be a little preoccupied with the cartel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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