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Possible Ramp Found (Great Pyramid)

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M. Williams

The obvious use for thes posts is to redirect the pull ropes around the turn. The evidence would be the long straight line extending from the ramp the pullers used.

 

 

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Harte
5 hours ago, M. Williams said:

They propose a 20% straight ramp.That's a new proposal that ignores the EVIDENCE , which makes them ignorant of commonly known facts and not qualified to comment on it.  I know what the REAL experts think about it. Do you know of any evidence for a 1900 ft long straight ramp ? 

He's also claiming first pulley system. Who needs proof, right ?

Depends on what you call a pulley. They did have a sort of pulley that was useless for adding any mechanical advantage, but allowed force to be applied in an opposite direction from the stone movement. Like doubling back the ropes on the poles in this hypothesis.

I've seen the claim for a wooden "rope roll" pulley having been used by the AEs. But there's no evidence for it. However, wood gets reused for other things when it gets old, things like fires.

As far as the straight ramp, the Frenchmen didn't advocate for it, they merely said it needed further evaluation in light of the slope on this newly discovered ramp. This is a true statement. The ramp itself would be longer than 1900 feet - that's just how far it would stick out in front of the pyramid (and my own calculation.) It would be much shorter if it was only for the first half of the layers going in and they changed to switchback or spiral ramps for the rest of it.

Even if it's proved out, there's not much doubt other ramps were used simultaneously - at least for the lower third of the GP, which contains half its volume.

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M. Williams
54 minutes ago, Harte said:

Even if it's proved out, there's not much doubt other ramps were used simultaneously - at least for the lower third of the GP, which contains half its volume.

Harte

My research leads me to believe that G1 has been massively remodeled multiple times . So, this means there would be some odd ramps approaching the pyramid. 

 

Each style (accretion,smooth,etc) has a different ramp system and none have to leave any gigantic footprint outside of the pyramid itself. 

 

The Accretion method is evident on meidum. You know the odd construction break ? There's your Accretion Layer Ramp System . 

 

The smooth,  Red Pyramid used a different method. You'll notice in the scan below the huge ramp in the thermal image. They tried to bury this and take credit for others work at the same time. This image aligns with the sand that's falling out of the side of the Red Pyramid. That's your other kind of ramp, which most likely was mirrored by an exterior spiral ramp. This method is consistent with the Bui scans which indicate G1 has a series of internal ramps and earlier structures. NOT a hallway.

 

Have you ever noticed the pyramid in the S E. corner of G1 in Bui's scan ? 

 

 

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M. Williams

See the earlier pyramid ? 

 

Did the Step Pyramid progress in a similar way ? Yes. It wasn't a single build. 

 

What does that do to alignment theories, etc..? Alot. 

 

Also notice how the small thermal anamoly lines up with the corner of this inner ,se corner pyramid. (The one on the right in the thermal scan in previous post)

My point is G1 was remodeled and added to many times possibly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BorizBadinov

never mind need to think on it more. 

Interesting.

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changed my thoughts

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M. Williams

I drew this Bui scan overlay in 2012. I'd add a few things now, but this gives a good idea of the ramp system(s) used on G1. You'll notice how steep some are at the end. 12247841_1237307399616666_2859023748622542078_o.thumb.jpg.e05bedd80b08ffba84c20ffc8c61cc7c.jpg

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M. Williams

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Lord Harry

Paging @cladking

We all want you to weigh in here. We miss hearing you say ramps aren't attested from the "great pyramid age."

Come on Clad! Say "they musta used ramps" and "stinky footed bumpkins dragging tombs up ramps" for old times sake. Kmt Sesh always talks about how much he misses your contributions here.

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John Bastien
On 2018-11-13 at 3:11 PM, M. Williams said:

I drew this Bui scan overlay in 2012. I'd add a few things now, but this gives a good idea of the ramp system(s) used on G1. You'll notice how steep some are at the end. 12247841_1237307399616666_2859023748622542078_o.thumb.jpg.e05bedd80b08ffba84c20ffc8c61cc7c.jpg

I note very strongly that this folls close to Houdin's internal ramp.

Image result for internal ramp houdin

 

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John Bastien

Image result for internal ramp houdin

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John Bastien

Corner room hidden evidence.

Image result for internal ramp houdin

 

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Lord Harry

Houdin's theory is likely correct. The external ramps were used to build the lower third of the pyramid, and were then dismantled to construct the internal spiral ramp which was used to build the great bulk of the massive structure.

The ramp discovered was not used to build the pyramid directly, rather it demonstrates the type of ramps that existed during the Fourth Dynasty and it can be inferred that a similar ramp was used in at least some phase of the construction of the Giza pyramids.

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John Bastien

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John Bastien

Evidence of this can be seen on the current exterior.

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John Bastien

The reason this area has a very different thermal signature is the concrete repair wirk done in the past.

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John Bastien

Here is a good computer modelled video.

 

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M. Williams

I've been battling the French for years .Houdin says there is an internal hallway. I say the scans show ramps that were then covered over by the casing and backing stones. The lines are the sand from the ramps leaking thru the backing stones. He vehemently  disagrees and despite the new evidence showing we were right,  he still insists there is an empty hallway . Yet the G1 muon scans definitively prove the French were wrong. 

He isn't in my league at all, I actually figured it out.

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M. Williams

Oh, and here's the guy who first made the internal hallway idea famous. Diomedi

 

 

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John Bastien
9 minutes ago, M. Williams said:

I've been battling the French for years .Houdin says there is an internal hallway. I say the scans show ramps that were then covered over by the casing and backing stones. The lines are the sand from the ramps leaking thru the backing stones. He vehemently  disagrees and despite the new evidence showing we were right,  he still insists there is an empty hallway . Yet the G1 muon scans definitively prove the French were wrong. 

He isn't in my league at all, I actually figured it out.

The muon scan is a density scan only for large voids. A corner hole for ramps has been found already. As well gravometric scans have detected voids as postulated by Houdin. As he has engineering firms and more brain power with evidence behind him I stand pat on his theory for now. Pure science rules, not crantology or magic geysers.

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M. Williams

Only a Frenchman can walk up to the greatest, most famous structure ever built, see obvious haze lines and think he's the first person to see them and go investigate . Obviously someone else saw the haze lines and dug out the corner room in antiquity. You know what they found? Sand and fill and stopped digging. 

 

However, it is a ramp and the nature of this ramp is the mystery egyptologist Yuki Kawae is exploring and has solved for the most part. Houdin, Dassault and the rest are jokes. 

 

Name one prediction of his that has come true ?

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John Bastien

The corner room with the blocked entry to the internal ramps. There are no predictions. Just logic and evidence to the fact. I am waiting to see if they pull the black in the burial chamber.

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M. Williams
3 minutes ago, John Bastien said:

The corner room with the blocked entry to the internal ramps. There are no predictions. Just logic and evidence to the fact. I am waiting to see if they pull the black in the burial chamber.

That's a fantasy. There is no hallway behind any stone in the corner area that's dugout. Everything with them is " right behind" something. That's because it doesn't exist or the muon scans would have found it, that's why they did them. They lost. Bob Brier admits himself there isn't a hallway. 

As for the stone in the Kings Chamber...its deatination has been puzzled over way before Houdin. Lauer iirc noticed it .

 

I can show you visible ramps on pyramids, explain their use and how to build G1 with near zero waste or large exterior ramps.  Set the pyramidion and I'm done two weeks later . I often wonder why common people don't try to understand what i'm telling them ? Egyptologists get it. It's brilliant !

 

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Lord Harry

@John Bastien check your personal email.  I had to email you something.

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Lord Harry

I think Mr. Williams is simply jealous that Houdin came up with the discovery and published it before he could.  Typical academic rivalry is all I see here.

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John Bastien

I love computer modelling by a real engineering company.

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