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On Tucker’s opening monologue last night, he touched on something that resonated with me that I totally agree with.  He was analyzing the midterms and he made a very profound observation that I think people miss.  It was the last 3 minutes of the segment (I recommend viewing the rest of the monologue):

 

 

 

This is not one or the other.  The tax cuts and booming market are important but they are only the first step.  The second step is to rebuild the family.  I don’t know if Trump is the one to do this.  His job is just to establish the wealth of the nation.  From there, we can rebuild long ignored institutions.  It will have to be the next Republican President.  Cruz perhaps?

 

It can’t be the Progs, they have spent all their time destroying the family in favor of the state.  Toxic Masculinity is just one example.  A family is built on the interaction of the traditional male and female roles.  Let’s be honest, women are not turned on by unmasculine men.  Women want men to take charge.  Unless you are some diehard feminist that just lays there and is totally unemotional while the male does his thing, what’s the point?  Maybe we should just harvest eggs and sperm and use a test tube for the birthing of children.  That way the Progs will have and endless pool of cogs to vote and then be disposed of. 

 

People have desires, including test-tube babies.  They all have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  The Proletariat has no room for such things.  What can the Republicans running government do to make life better for the family?  Redistribution is not an answer.  Helping people and families to be successful will.  How do you do that?  How do we transition from a nation’s wealth to the everyday family life?  This process must add to the wealth.  This is not necessarily about money but perhaps the Invisible Hand, the individual’s concern of their family…  But that’s what I’m asking.  People are always complaining that no one has any solutions.  Do try to support your solution.  Yes, I want to belittle stupid Prog solutions but even one might have an important thought.

 

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Dark_Grey
17 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

On Tucker’s opening monologue last night, he touched on something that resonated with me that I totally agree with.  He was analyzing the midterms and he made a very profound observation that I think people miss.  It was the last 3 minutes of the segment (I recommend viewing the rest of the monologue):

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Proof of the value of traditional family roles can be found in Asian communities. Test scores and crime statistics speak for themselves there. On the other end, there is a strong argument to be made that the Clinton's crime bill of '94(?) and the war on drugs were in part meant to destroy the black community. By jailing black fathers over minor charges it forced the mothers to turn to the State for financial support creating inter-generational dependence on Federal handouts. The State became the father of black youth and that cycle seems incredibly hard to break. Very sad stuff man

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Robotic Jew

Ohhh...it all makes so much more sense now.

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preacherman76
54 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

Proof of the value of traditional family roles can be found in Asian communities. Test scores and crime statistics speak for themselves there. On the other end, there is a strong argument to be made that the Clinton's crime bill of '94(?) and the war on drugs were in part meant to destroy the black community. By jailing black fathers over minor charges it forced the mothers to turn to the State for financial support creating inter-generational dependence on Federal handouts. The State became the father of black youth and that cycle seems incredibly hard to break. Very sad stuff man

That’s right, but the destruction of black families happened long before the Clintons came on the scene. They just contributed to it. 

It started with terrible trade deals that sent millions of jobs out of the inner cities. Combined with welfare rules that said men couldn’t be living in the home if they received help. Within a single generation these families were devastated. Crime, poverty, and fatherless homes are now the norm. It’s incredibly sad. 

It seems the progressive mind loves the idea of destroying the traditional family. At the least they completely ignore the reality of what has happened. 

Just look at the post above this one. 

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Setton
56 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

Proof of the value of traditional family roles can be found in Asian communities. Test scores and crime statistics speak for themselves there. 

Correlation =/= causation. If you leave the confirmation bias out, you'll find there are plenty of countries with traditional family roles and poor education and high crime rates. 

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RavenHawk
2 minutes ago, Setton said:

Correlation =/= causation. If you leave the confirmation bias out, you'll find there are plenty of countries with traditional family roles and poor education and high crime rates. 

The roles may still be there but the family is still broken.  Questionable role models.  Perhaps due to ideology??

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Setton
1 minute ago, RavenHawk said:

The roles may still be there but the family is still broken.  Questionable role models.  Perhaps due to ideology??

Typical catch 22. Don't expect any better from you. 

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RavenHawk
11 minutes ago, Setton said:

Typical catch 22. Don't expect any better from you. 

You made a vague comment with no solution.

At least DG and Preacher touched on some possibilities.

 

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spartan max2

Eh, I guess I'm not conservative.

When I vote Republican is has nonething to do with the family or family roles.

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Setton
4 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

You made a vague comment with no solution.

At least DG and Preacher touched on some possibilities.

 

I don't know the solutions. Neither do you. I, however, won't pretend to to further an agenda. 

Yes, they made some suggestions. I pointed out the flaws in those suggestions. That should be a normal part of any such discussion. 

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Agent0range

Multiple marriages, children with multiple women, cheating with pornstars and playboy bunnies...you're right...we need someone who values family, and familial roles...

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Dark_Grey
24 minutes ago, Setton said:

Correlation =/= causation. If you leave the confirmation bias out, you'll find there are plenty of countries with traditional family roles and poor education and high crime rates. 

The correlation is and has been proven through studies. Single mother homes fared the worst in terms of child development. However as you said there are many, many factors to consider here which makes it hard to attribute academic success to solely the parental dynamic. I believe strong families make strong communities which make strong countries. It all starts at home

 

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Imaginarynumber1

If you guys are all about traditional family roles, then shouldn't you be welcome in migrants from Central America? Hispanic people greatly embrace your traditional family model, yet you seem to be terrified of them.

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Imaginarynumber1

In any case, at its core, this is just another dumb excuse to force christianity on people. 

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spartan max2

I'm just confused, in a legislative sense, what goverment has to do with family. Other then like allowing gay marriage, which is simply the goverment getting out of peoples lives like they should,  and tax benefits what does goverment even decide about a family?

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Setton
7 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

The correlation is and has been proven through studies. Single mother homes fared the worst in terms of child development. However as you said there are many, many factors to consider here which makes it hard to attribute academic success to solely the parental dynamic. I believe strong families make strong communities which make strong countries. It all starts at home

 

Yes, the correlation is well established. It is not enough to claim it as a cause. 

As you go on to say, that is just your belief. Personally, I know of enough excellent families that don't follow the traditional model, and enough awful ones that do, to think traditional family roles are, at most, a minor influence on education and crime. 

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Imaginarynumber1
10 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm just confused, in a legislative sense, what goverment has to do with family. Other then like allowing gay marriage, which is simply the goverment getting out of peoples lives like they should,  and tax benefits what does goverment even decide about a family?

It had nothing to do with it.

Its a thinly veiled conservative attempt to push religion, because a theocracy is wrong, unless it's the right religion.

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RavenHawk

It appears that it is too easy to confuse people that are too rigid in thought.  It looks like some are hung up on the term “traditional”.  That’s fine.  Would it be better to just think of a small family group with a male persona and a female persona??

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RavenHawk
2 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

IIts a thinly veiled conservative attempt to push religion, because a theocracy is wrong, unless it's the right religion.

Whatever floats your boat. 

Well, just maybe, religion has something to do with it.  Did you ever think of that?

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44 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Eh, I guess I'm not conservative.

When I vote Republican is has nonething to do with the family or family roles.

That was the point.  I don’t think Conservatives do think of that.  It is usually on things like being fiscally responsible.  And why do we think of being fiscally responsible?  Isn’t it about having more money in your pocket?  And why do you want more money in your pocket?  Most will probably respond with something to do with their family.  The wellbeing of their family.

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RavenHawk
31 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm just confused, in a legislative sense, what goverment has to do with family. Other then like allowing gay marriage, which is simply the goverment getting out of peoples lives like they should,  and tax benefits what does goverment even decide about a family?

They shouldn’t but what could government do to help families without infringing on families?  Families are dying.  As Tucker pointed out, what good does a tax cut do if you don’t pay taxes?  About 47% do not pay taxes, so what has government helped with?  What reason is there for anyone to vote for Republicans?  Tax cuts and a booming market need to be able to manifest into some direct benefit to these families.  How do you do that?  What should it look like?  If it doesn’t then Progressives are willing and able to enslave these families with welfare and that is a trap that is difficult to break out of.  Once in it, it becomes perpetual for generations.  Then you really don’t need families, it just becomes babysitting as a means to warehouse a workforce for the state.  Welfare and redistribution is not the answer.

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RavenHawk
51 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

If you guys are all about traditional family roles, then shouldn't you be welcome in migrants from Central America? Hispanic people greatly embrace your traditional family model, yet you seem to be terrified of them.

What does that have to do with it?  Hispanic peoples not of this country are not the same as the Hispanic community here.  To think so is racist.  They have different values.  Bringing in masses of immigrants without assimilation dilutes the indigenous values.  That also breaks down the family (that’s true anywhere).  People just don’t walk into a place and start living as if there was no difference.  Such immigrants bring in their own bad habits and ideologies.  Without adequate time for assimilation, those habits and ideologies stay here.  So what they ran away from follows them.  If you saw the excepts of a email I posted in another thread from friends that retired to Roatan (Honduras), they are very emphatic that the Hispanics there are nowhere close to the Hispanic here.

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Arbenol
1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

Bringing in masses of immigrants without assimilation dilutes the indigenous values.  

 

As an American, what indigenous values are you worried will be diluted?

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Likely Guy
1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

Bringing in masses of immigrants without assimilation dilutes the indigenous values.

So the first indigenous peoples of the Americas got it all wrong then? They should have ganged up and kicked our collective asses back across the ocean?

Don't bother answering that actually since I think I know you're going to say, "Yes, they should have, just as WE should do now".

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RavenHawk
35 minutes ago, Arbenol said:

As an American, what indigenous values are you worried will be diluted?

 

7 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

So the first indigenous peoples of the Americas got it all wrong then? They should have ganged up and kicked our collective asses back across the ocean?

Don't bother answering that actually since I think I know you're going to say, "Yes, they should have just WE should do now".

I think you're getting off the subject.

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