California wildfire leaves town in ruins

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

8 hours ago, Gromdor said:

I think you answered your question with the mostly uninhabited part.  California's fires aren't being caused by routine lightning strikes but rather by man made sources.

It’s not as if we lack for ****s who either like to see things burn or simply toss their still lit ciggies out the window of their cars.

[+susieice]

30 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

It’s not as if we lack for ****s who either like to see things burn or simply toss their still lit ciggies out the window of their cars.

https://helpwithtrafficticket.com/vc-23111/

[toast]

On 18.11.2018 at 8:56 AM, NicoletteS said:

To rake and thin the forests. Because finland does and they dont have this problem. Do you realise how much forest there is?

Do you really believe that the people in Finland rake their forests?

Thats nonsense! Its well known that the Fins use vacuum cleaners to clean up their forests (1 time a week)

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The people of Finland have reacted with bemusement on social media at Donald Trump’s assertions that the country rakes its forests to help prevent forest fires

Speaking on Saturday in Paradise, California, about the role of forest management in stemming wildfires, Trump said: “I was with the president of Finland and he said: ‘We have, much different, we are a forest nation.’ He called it a forest nation. And they spend a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things, and they don’t have any problem.”

There were also people on hand to point out that the factors affecting whether there are forest fires are very different in California and Finland:

More / The Guardian

Still anyone out there who think he isnt an idiot? Really?

Edited November 19, 2018 by toast

[Farmer77]

[Likely Guy]

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Because one wasn't enough!

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

7 hours ago, susieice said:

https://helpwithtrafficticket.com/vc-23111/

Aand??

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Aand??

Sorry. Just showed a link to the high fine imposed if someone throws a lit cigarette out of a car window. I probably should have written something. It's not something you want to get caught doing. But you're right. There are people who like to see things burn.

[+susieice]

They aren't raking.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/fighting-fire-with-fire-california-turns-to-prescribed-burning

And in case anyone actually reads these, here's NOAA's link to California's rainfall in 2016-2017.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/very-wet-2017-water-year-ends-california

Edited November 20, 2018 by susieice

[Gromdor]

Saw this today: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/us/pge-camp-fire-report-outages/index.html

The broken hook was probably the start of the fire.  Article doesn't really say if it was deliberate or not.

Someone going all 2nd amendment on the second tower is definitely deliberate.  This whole fire could be the result of vandalism/terrorism.

[+susieice]

14 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Saw this today: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/us/pge-camp-fire-report-outages/index.html

The broken hook was probably the start of the fire.  Article doesn't really say if it was deliberate or not.

Someone going all 2nd amendment on the second tower is definitely deliberate.  This whole fire could be the result of vandalism/terrorism.

According to Sacramento news, they found this in several locations in the area.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/pge-bullet-holes-camp-fire/

Here's the letter PG&E sent about their investigation. They found this on November 6th but just released the information.

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/121118-pge-camp-fire-letter-to-cpuc.pdf

[+susieice]

Sorry. Need to correct. PG&E knew on November 8th about the bullet holes.

[Raptor Witness]

 If you believe this is some kind of sign or warning, then surely the first that comes to mind is Paradise Lost. 

If you believe it’s just a coincidence, then by all means, build again.

But if you believe the end of Manifest Destiny, which was announced plainly, means that California is now a forbidden zone, it would be better to depart now, while property values are still high.

 

 

[acidhead]

 

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

54 minutes ago, acidhead said:

 

 

With rakes by any chance?

[Tatetopa]

1 minute ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

With rakes by any chance?

Chain saws more likely.

[Gromdor]

I drove between Sisters and Salem last month.  Detroit was just a tent city.  I was surprised that they were rebuilding.  (Oregon)

As long as people keep insisting on building their houses in the middle of the forest, we are going to see more of this.

As for California, they regularly spend hundreds of millions trying to thin but it only marginally seems to help.  (But then again, 42 million people wanting to live their and putting their houses everywhere...)  Trump had four years to rake the federal lands to showed that it worked but strangely never did so.  Especially considering 57% of the forests are federally owned in California.  This year doesn't seem so bad so far but with the extreme drought, water shortage, and high temperatures I can see Californians biting their nails and throwing as much money as they can at the problem.

[Autochthon1990]

3 hours ago, Gromdor said:

I drove between Sisters and Salem last month.  Detroit was just a tent city.  I was surprised that they were rebuilding.  (Oregon)

As long as people keep insisting on building their houses in the middle of the forest, we are going to see more of this.

As for California, they regularly spend hundreds of millions trying to thin but it only marginally seems to help.  (But then again, 42 million people wanting to live their and putting their houses everywhere...)  Trump had four years to rake the federal lands to showed that it worked but strangely never did so.  Especially considering 57% of the forests are federally owned in California.  This year doesn't seem so bad so far but with the extreme drought, water shortage, and high temperatures I can see Californians biting their nails and throwing as much money as they can at the problem.

Thats just how the cascade towns are. They won't quit from a little fire.

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

With rakes by any chance?

And, just like clockwork, California goes full retard:

• But Los Padres ForestWatch conservation director Bryant Baker warns that controlled burns threaten the native plant areas of SoCal’s national forests 
• These people can't even get out of their own way when trying to be sensible.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

5 minutes ago, and then said:

And, just like clockwork, California goes full retard:

• But Los Padres ForestWatch conservation director Bryant Baker warns that controlled burns threaten the native plant areas of SoCal’s national forests 
• These people can't even get out of their own way when trying to be sensible.

What sort of Indigenous fire management was going on in California before the Spanish turned up? We’re (very slowly) learning to adopt Aboriginal Fire Manegement here.