Still Waters Posted November 9, 2018 #1 Share Posted November 9, 2018 The EU is to allow farmers to receive full compensation for any damages caused by attacks from protected animals like lynxes, wolves and bears. Other expenses including installing electric fences or acquiring guard dogs to prevent damage will also be fully reimbursed. The EU says the move will help protect large predators in areas where they have come into conflict with humans. Campaigners hope it will limit the need for culls. After many decades of decline, the numbers of large carnivores like wolves and bears are stable or increasing in many parts of Europe, often due to concentrated conservation efforts. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46153727 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenn8779 Posted November 10, 2018 #2 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Thank these folks for putting animals first. We're the ones encroaching on their territory. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted November 10, 2018 #3 Share Posted November 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Jenn8779 said: Thank these folks for putting animals first. We're the ones encroaching on their territory. It's our territory, too. Humans are land animals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenn8779 Posted November 10, 2018 #4 Share Posted November 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Black Monk said: It's our territory, too. Humans are land animals. Yes we are land animals and we've been taking up way more of it than we need. We should be able to share this planet with the other species that live here and have some consideration for them 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted November 11, 2018 #5 Share Posted November 11, 2018 17 hours ago, Jenn8779 said: we've been taking up way more of it than we need. Says who? Quote We should be able to share this planet with the other species that live here We do. And humans are land animals. We do not "encroach" into other animals' land. It's our land, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenn8779 Posted November 11, 2018 #6 Share Posted November 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Black Monk said: Says who? We do. And humans are land animals. We do not "encroach" into other animals' land. It's our land, too. First, I say so based on what I see in my state. We have vacant houses all over yet we continue to have new construction of unnecessary "McMansions" built on formerly open space areas or farm land. We've had to fight in recent years to preserve what we call here the Pine Barrons for which @Piney can explain much more knowledgeably and eloquently than I could ever do. Add to that the many articles out there on abandoned areas of Europe where similar situations are in existence. The bottom line is that if we were truly sharing our planet with other species conservation would be unnecessary. I don't have the knowledge or background to argue for climate change and it has many threads on here already with many knowledgeable and educated folks already posting about but it's becoming a factor. Based on this thread and a couple of others, I'm inclined to believe you just don't like or appreciate nature and animals. And that is your choice. I truly feel sad for you though that you cannot appreciate the true beauty of nature and recognize it for the gift that it is. But I will also not be drawn into an argument with someone who has no desire to change their opinions. There are other much more effective uses of my time and energy and that is where I will spend it 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted November 17, 2018 #7 Share Posted November 17, 2018 On 11/11/2018 at 10:01 PM, Jenn8779 said: First, I say so based on what I see in my state. We have vacant houses all over yet we continue to have new construction of unnecessary "McMansions" built on formerly open space areas or farm land. We've had to fight in recent years to preserve what we call here the Pine Barrons for which @Piney can explain much more knowledgeably and eloquently than I could ever do. Add to that the many articles out there on abandoned areas of Europe where similar situations are in existence. The bottom line is that if we were truly sharing our planet with other species conservation would be unnecessary. I don't have the knowledge or background to argue for climate change and it has many threads on here already with many knowledgeable and educated folks already posting about but it's becoming a factor. Based on this thread and a couple of others, I'm inclined to believe you just don't like or appreciate nature and animals. And that is your choice. I truly feel sad for you though that you cannot appreciate the true beauty of nature and recognize it for the gift that it is. But I will also not be drawn into an argument with someone who has no desire to change their opinions. There are other much more effective uses of my time and energy and that is where I will spend it Humans are land animals. We aren't "encroaching" into other species' land. It's our land and our home, too. If you can't see that, then that's more your problem than it is mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted November 17, 2018 #8 Share Posted November 17, 2018 34 minutes ago, Black Monk said: Humans are land animals. We aren't "encroaching" into other species' land. It's our land and our home, too. If you can't see that, then that's more your problem than it is mine. So you're happy for ants. cockroaches and rats to move in and live in your house? After all, it's their land and home too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted November 17, 2018 #9 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Essan said: So you're happy for ants. cockroaches and rats to move in and live in your house? After all, it's their land and home too Terrible logic. I hope you aren't implying that humans should not be living in the same areas as other animals. If so, I hope the people who care for you don't allow you out. Edited November 17, 2018 by Black Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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