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third_eye
4 minutes ago, and then said:

Qatar just gave - with Netanyahu's permission - 15 million in cash to Hamas to pay their employees.  A couple of days later, they're firing hundreds of rockets because of a recon mission gone bad. 

People got murdered, in their homes. Yeah you can say gone bad, I'd say real bad ...

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4 minutes ago, and then said:

 

Yeah, I realize your take of the evil of any action by the IDF but since that makes attempts at debate with you pointless, I'll ignore that.  When the IDF decides to assassinate, they don't need to risk troops to accomplish it.  Israelis are finally waking up to the world's one-sided tantrums and are ignoring them.  When the Hezzies start up with them again, southern Lebanese civilians are going to die in massive numbers and it will be their own fault for sheltering rocket caches and launchers.  So be it.  War is funny like that, people being targeted tend not to worry about perceptions of the groups who hate them REGARDLESS what they try or don't try.

The world didn't take or buy into little Adolf's insane nonsense, the world sure as hell ain't gonna pay more to the Zionists for the same kind of deal, under a different label or brand name. You can applaud and cheer however exuberantly for it you may be so pleased to, it does not detract from the fact that everybody that is dying is going to die, be it bullets, missiles or war planes. Killing unarmed civilians with modern machines of warfare to make yourself great doesn't make for any convincing pleading of innocence on the ones with blood on their conscience even if not a drop of blood scars their hands.

This kills everything that made the ancient Jewish people great which allowed them to survive the many years of diaspora as well as all the burning, slaughtering and massacring that was heaped upon them throughout a course of over a thousand years, none more so than the years they were held hostage in Europe.  

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27 minutes ago, DodgyDaoist said:

Their own fault ? and what exactly are civilians meant to do when armed militants move into the area and decide to set up caches and launchers ?

Ask them to  leave ? organise a nice petition ? maybe a protest ?

Civilians are unfortunately caught in the middle and have little to no choice.

When the Hezzies rebuilt homes for them after the last dust-up with the IDF in 2006, the price of admission was the use of those nice new homes as staging platforms.  IOW's they CHOSE.  The IDF has made clear on multiple occasions that when the next fight begins, they need to flee immediately or face the consequences.  The only other option is for Israel to allow continuous fire from those platforms.  What would YOU choose?

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28 minutes ago, third_eye said:

This kills everything that made the ancient Jewish people great which allowed them to survive the many years of diaspora as well as all the burning, slaughtering and massacring that was heaped upon them throughout a course of over a thousand years, none more so than the years they were held hostage in Europe.

IOW, they were great only when they allowed themselves to be perpetually pushed, shoved, beaten and scorned.  In case you hadn't noticed, they've created their own state this time around before another Hitler wannabe can finish the job.  Their attitude is that they'll never burn again, alone.  Seems fair enough to a reasonable person.  Tit for tat and all that.  Deal with it or sulk.  Their blood is no longer cheaply bought.

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RoofGardener

Hmm... so a reconnaissance mission was 'blown' at a checkpoint, and seven HAMAS militants where killed, along with (sadly) a senior IDF officer. 

Several hundred rockets where then launched at Israel, doing minimal damage, and causing only one fatality; a Palestinian Arab from the West Bank. 

Israel struck back with a series of air attacks that destroyed HAMAS facilities, including a TV station. This - in turn - resulted in a handful of casualties, with SOME of them being  civilian. 

I dunno... it's easy to become desensitised.. but... "business as usual" ? 

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DodgyDaoist
49 minutes ago, and then said:

When the Hezzies rebuilt homes for them after the last dust-up with the IDF in 2006, the price of admission was the use of those nice new homes as staging platforms.  IOW's they CHOSE.  The IDF has made clear on multiple occasions that when the next fight begins, they need to flee immediately or face the consequences.  The only other option is for Israel to allow continuous fire from those platforms.  What would YOU choose?

And that is a fact ?

Live on the street or have a roof over your head, not much of a choice, everybody would choose to have a roof.

 

 

 

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third_eye
49 minutes ago, and then said:

IOW, they were great only when they allowed themselves to be perpetually pushed, shoved, beaten and scorned. 

By who ? And why ? and most of all ... what makes you even equate what I said to what you are implying here ...

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49 minutes ago, and then said:

In case you hadn't noticed, they've created their own state this time around before another Hitler wannabe can finish the job. 

So what you are saying here is that to survive, the Zionists has to be a bigger nutcase that little Adolf ?

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49 minutes ago, and then said:

 

Their attitude is that they'll never burn again, alone.  Seems fair enough to a reasonable person.  Tit for tat and all that.  Deal with it or sulk.  Their blood is no longer cheaply bought.

And yet they are selling it by the bucket loads ... that's the problem with holding anything to ransom, sooner or later, everybody is going to realize that all blood is worth the same. All or nothing ...

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Sir Smoke aLot

Despite another cease fire agreement which was agreed to IDF attacked and murdered fisherman in Gaza, 20 year old.

While it is good thing that there is no larger escalation such moves can lead to another wave of rocket attacks and disproportional retaliations. Hopefully situation will remain relatively calm after this and at least Israel did not close crossings in Gaza so that civilian supplies can get in.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/gaza-news/IDF-fires-on-Palestinian-who-threw-grenades-at-soldiers-near-border-fence-571880

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israel-kills-gaza-fisher-despite-ceasefire

It's hard to be optimistic but i believe that things will remain calm after that terrible day.

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Sir Smoke aLot
On 11/14/2018 at 12:28 AM, seanjo said:

You're an Anti-Semite!

You have some serious issues.

Sorry but i answer to insult with insult but still i'll try to be kind :D 

When you have nothing good in your Hasbara guide book you just resort to old ADL's tactic which is - call it an antisemite! Disgusting.

Now disprove this or call me an antisemite again for stating the obvious. 

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seanjo
2 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

You have some serious issues.

Sorry but i answer to insult with insult but still i'll try to be kind :D 

When you have nothing good in your Hasbara guide book you just resort to old ADL's tactic which is - call it an antisemite! Disgusting.

Now disprove this or call me an antisemite again for stating the obvious. 

You are an Anti-Semite, and a proud one it seems, when you propagate the lies against Jews you are a Jew hater, it's very simple.

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Sir Smoke aLot
On 11/14/2018 at 9:26 AM, DodgyDaoist said:

And that is a fact ?

Live on the street or have a roof over your head, not much of a choice, everybody would choose to have a roof.

 

 

 

Bibi said it in front of the UN, that missile bases were built even under stadiums in Beirut. Hezbollah, in return, called all international inspections and interested parties to come and see for themselves :D

Still, that did not stop people from believing in Bibi's BS.

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Sir Smoke aLot
1 minute ago, seanjo said:

You are an Anti-Semite, and a proud one it seems, when you propagate the lies against Jews you are a Jew hater, it's very simple.

What lie?

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seanjo
2 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

What lie?

Every utterance that comes out of your book of hating (((zionists))) is based in a lie...now look, I'm stopping right now, I've been having the same argument with useful idiots for a decade now and can't really be arsed, so you carry on safe in the knowledge you are right and you have beaten me...

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Sir Smoke aLot
5 minutes ago, seanjo said:

Every utterance that comes out of your book of hating (((zionists))) is based in a lie...now look, I'm stopping right now, I've been having the same argument with useful idiots for a decade now, so you carry on safe in the knowledge you are right and you have beaten me...

Why do you use that Antisemitic sign which is only used by those who bash Jews because of Judaism, not because of Zionism? I find that ''(('' sign as very hateful and ignorant. It's exactly people like that, those who bash all Jews, who are disgrace and problem in just fight against colonial Zionism and look, it's you who find that BS as vocabulary worthy...

[edit] to add: and yes, good, i stop here too because you did not provide any thing which was worthy of reply. Read some more work from people like Alan Dershowitz but do not try to make me believe that such work is scholarly because it is not, it's pure fiction and hate spreading material. Have a nice day.

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Sir Smoke aLot
On 11/14/2018 at 7:55 AM, and then said:

I am a bit disappointed with your sources as of late...

About page.

About President of it. Some more Bio with addition of link to Google search of her which mostly include funding of Anti-Islamic groups and spreading hate. Narrative of the site suits her agenda perfectly. And you agree when someone calls me as Antisemite while you get your info from total Xenophobes...

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Phaeton80
On 13-11-2018 at 11:44 PM, and then said:

Those remarks are classic.  That means something that has "stood the test of time".  Same old stuff, just another day - just like your defense of the murderers.


..Said the avid Zionist 'Christian' defending the occupation, disposession, cultural genocide and wholesale mass murder of hundreds of Palestinian children, thousands upon thousands of civilians.. including but not limited to the employment of white phosphorous. All of which are native Semites, lets not forget.

You boast about pictures of burning transit buses, how about pictures of scores of little children having been bombed, snipered or showered with phosphorous shells.. not even touching upon other innocents like women, men and the elderly finding thesame fate (while robbed of their freedom the odd 70 years or so by an occupying highly advanced military apparatus). But ofcourse, there are no innocents in the eyes of the Zionist, they are all (potential) Hamas operatives, Palestinian dehumanization to rationalize the crimes perpetrated against them.

 

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On 14/11/2018 at 6:55 AM, and then said:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13297/hamas-missiles-qatari-money  It's worth a few minutes to read if you want some balance in the situation on the ground.

Sorry and then, can you give me something from a better source?

I tend to research the source provided before continuing further and i find i do not wish to continue further.

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The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] anti-Muslim[a]think tank with a focus on Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods.

There are many more articles on this institute, i will just stick with the one ...  for now. Hopefully this will be enough.

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On 11/14/2018 at 2:26 AM, DodgyDaoist said:

Live on the street or have a roof over your head, not much of a choice, everybody would choose to have a roof.

I agree.  But it shouldn't stop them from fleeing once the hostilities begin.  Most will have warning because of the OUTGOING missile fire.

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"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937

"Palestine was part of the Province of Syria... politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity."
- The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted this in a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
- Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, to the UN Security Council

"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian People, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people."
- Syrian President Hafez Assad to PLO leader Yassir Arafat.

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity.... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel."
- Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council (Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977)

"The interesting thing about "Palestinians" is that so few of the West Bank Arabs thought of themselves as such before 1967. It post-dates the founding of the PLO: Palestine had a national liberation movement before it had a nationality. Likewise, because the Arab League designated Yasser Arafat as a head of state, we've spent 30 years trying to create a state for him to be head of. Most Arab nationalities -- "Jordanian," "Iraqi" -- were invented by the British Colonial Office in the Twenties, and, although those languid Etonians came up with some evocative and colourful names for their hastily concocted jurisdictions, for the most part they're comprehensive failures as nation states. It hardly seems worth adding another bogus polity to the list."
- Mark Steyn, National Post, April 4, 2002

Those that call themselves Palestinian had the same opportunity to become a nation and squandered it because they would not accept Israel. They rejected the proposal as did the other Arab countries which led to the 1949 war when a coalition of Arab nations attacked Israel.

There isn't any people called the Palestinians. They are Egyptian, Moroccan, Jordanian, Syrian and etc. They cannot trace any lineage back to the Canaanites nor can they trace lineage back to the Philistines as the Philistines were from Crete.

History is a cheap subject to study and there are those here that have great need of a little education. Or is that a lot of education. :rolleyes:

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Black Red Devil
11 hours ago, seanjo said:

Every utterance that comes out of your book of hating (((zionists))) is based in a lie...now look, I'm stopping right now, I've been having the same argument with useful idiots for a decade now and can't really be arsed, so you carry on safe in the knowledge you are right and you have beaten me...

You've been having this same argument with useful idiots for a decade?  Really?  Maybe they're not interested in listening to hatred spewing, irrational, anger-management basket cases like yourself who thinks he has a Right in calling people idiots as if you had the book of truth in your pocket.  The only idiot here is you. I can understand it's tough to come to terms with the fact that you may have realised you're a gullible Zionist sap but don't take it out on others, there are two sides to every story.

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Black Red Devil
13 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Those that call themselves Palestinian had the same opportunity to become a nation and squandered it because they would not accept Israel. They rejected the proposal as did the other Arab countries which led to the 1949 war when a coalition of Arab nations attacked Israel.

There isn't any people called the Palestinians. They are Egyptian, Moroccan, Jordanian, Syrian and etc. They cannot trace any lineage back to the Canaanites nor can they trace lineage back to the Philistines as the Philistines were from Crete.

History is a cheap subject to study and there are those here that have great need of a little education. Or is that a lot of education. :rolleyes:

So you're going to educate us are you?  Do you know that many Jews in Israel (75%) aren't even Semitic?  This just about the Ashkenazi who constitute over a third of Jews in Israel.  Then you have all sorts of other Jews that came from Europe, Africa and Asia.  There are probably more Semitic Arabs in Israel than Jews.

The reason they rejected the proposal was because they were forced to by the guilt of what Europeans did to Jews for centuries and above all, the proposal was lopsided in favor of a minority group.  Similar to the world deciding to give New Mexico, California and Texas to Mexicans and leave you with arid Arizona.  I'm sure Trump would agree to that. :P

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Black Red Devil
7 hours ago, aztek said:

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Hamas are more detrimental to Palestinians and don't really serve a purpose IMO.  They are the real useful idiots for Israel's objectives.

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Black Red Devil
On 11/13/2018 at 5:15 AM, joc said:

going to war with Iran...the last country that did was Iraq...which was, at the time, also a puppet regime of Moscow/

Not to rain on your patriotic parade but Iraq was actually an ally of the US at the time.  It's well documented the meeting between Rumsfeld and Saddam and guess what came out of that?  A shipment of chemical weapons that Saddam used against the Iranians and stopped them in their winning tracks, killing thousands, so they couldn't take Basra, Iraq's only port on the Persian Gulf.  Guess what Saddam did with those weapons after?  Yep, the Kurds.  Guess who went after the chemical weapons Reagan gave Saddam?  Yep, another Republican, GW Bush.

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joc
43 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Not to rain on your patriotic parade but Iraq was actually an ally of the US at the time.  It's well documented the meeting between Rumsfeld and Saddam and guess what came out of that?  A shipment of chemical weapons that Saddam used against the Iranians and stopped them in their winning tracks, killing thousands, so they couldn't take Basra, Iraq's only port on the Persian Gulf.  Guess what Saddam did with those weapons after?  Yep, the Kurds.  Guess who went after the chemical weapons Reagan gave Saddam?  Yep, another Republican, GW Bush.

Doesn't take away anything from what I said about Iran being a puppet of Moscow. 

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