Black Red Devil 3,851 #76 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, joc said: Doesn't take away anything from what I said about Iran being a puppet of Moscow. The point I was trying to make is Govts decide who we're supposed to hate based on many innuendos and hidden motives that we sheeple follow. Saddam is friend one day, enemy the next. Iran under the Shah was the epitome of western values in the middle east and now its the most radical Islamic country together with SA who we're supposed to be allies with. Human history is full of twist and turns. There are no good guys in this Palestinian vs Israeli saga but both have valuable arguments that end with accepting Israel as a nation and giving a land to the Palestinians. The world should look sfter the best interests of the common people and bypass the likes of Netanyahu, Hamas and Abass who have done nothing to reach a final peace agreement. Once and if a common agreement is reached the world should throw everything including the kitchen sink at the first that breaches the agreement. Edited November 16, 2018 by Black Red Devil 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joc 13,225 #77 Posted November 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said: The point I was trying to make is Govts decide who we're supposed to hate based on many innuendos and hidden motives that we sheeple follow. Saddam is friend one day, enemy the next. Iran under the Shah was the epitome of western values in the middle east and now its the most radical Islamic country together with SA who we're supposed to be allies with. Human history is full of twist and turns. There are no good guys in this Palestinian vs Israeli saga but both have valuable arguments that end with accepting Israel as a nation and giving a land to the Palestinians. The world should look sfter the best interests of the common people and bypass the likes of Netanyahu, Hamas and Abass who have done nothing to reach a final peace agreement. Once and if a common agreement is reached the world should throw everything including the kitchen sink at the first that breaches the agreement. There is a a bad guy in this story...it is Iran. And there is another really bad guy...Putin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
third_eye 36,311 #78 Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, joc said: There is a a bad guy in this story...it is Iran. And there is another really bad guy...Putin Let's hear it from one of the 'good guys' ~ [00.17:21] ~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joc 13,225 #79 Posted November 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, third_eye said: Let's hear it from one of the 'good guys' ~ [00.17:21] ~ You are right...he is one of the good guys! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
third_eye 36,311 #80 Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, joc said: You are right...he is one of the good guys! You are not helping your case any there dude ~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joc 13,225 #81 Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, third_eye said: You are not helping your case any there dude ~ I like Oliver North. I think he is a patriot and I think he is a good guy. I liked Reagan as well. And...as you know...I like Trump. Also...I like Ike! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
third_eye 36,311 #82 Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, joc said: I like Oliver North. I think he is a patriot and I think he is a good guy. I liked Reagan as well. And...as you know...I like Trump. Also...I like Ike! Tell that to the good and fine men and women that were KIA due to his patriotism ~ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
and then 35,582 #83 Posted November 16, 2018 5 hours ago, joc said: I like Oliver North. I think he is a patriot and I think he is a good guy. I liked Reagan as well. And...as you know...I like Trump. Also...I like Ike! To like these guys means you believe America is a force for good in the world, therefore you'll never convince those who only think of her as the primary cause of all the world's ills. Let them whine. It's good for their self-esteem 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
third_eye 36,311 #84 Posted November 16, 2018 Let's hear it from the whiners ... ~ Quote ~ The Iran-Contra affair (article) | Khan Academy https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/us-history/modern-us/1980s.../iran-contra In the Iran-Contra affair, the Reagan administration secretly sold weapons to Iran to ... The scandal began to unravel after an C-123 supply plane over northern ... to serious—some said impeachable—consequences in the Iran-Contra affair. ~ Iran-Contra - Brown University https://www.brown.edu/Research/Understanding_the_Iran_Contra.../n-contrasus.php Once in office, Reagan came down hard on Central America, in effect letting his ... In late 1981, President Reagan authorized the U.S. to support the contras by ... ~ Nicaragua Since Iran-Contra https://www.brown.edu/Research/Understanding_the_Iran_Contra.../n-since.php Home » The Iran Contra Affairs » Nicaragua Since Iran-Contra ... In 1997, Arnoldo Aléman became president after winning elections the previous year. ~ The Iran-Contra Affair 30 Years Later: A Milestone in Post-Truth Politics https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/.../iran/.../iran-contra-affair-30-years-later-milestone-post-tr... Nov 25, 2016 - Reflecting on the Iran-Contra scandal and the Persian Gulf War, Tesich ... After the Iran deals were leaked to a Lebanese news magazine, the White ..... the president with the truth about his actions and their consequences. ~ The Iran-Contra Affair | American Experience | Official Site | PBS https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/reagan-iran/ Ronald Reagan's efforts to eradicate Communism spanned the globe, but the insurgent Contras' cause in Nicaragua was particularly dear to him. ~ Iran-Contra Affair | Summary | Britannica.com https://www.britannica.com/event/Iran-Contra-Affair Iran-Contra Affair: A summary of the Iran-Contra Affair. ... Iran-Contra Affair, 1980s U.S. political scandal in which the National Security Council (NSC) became involved in secret weapons transactions and other .... effect on American history. ~ Impact and implications of the Iran‐contra affair on congressional ... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/08850609408435247 by FM Kaiser - 1994 - Cited by 6 - Related articles begun in late 1986, with revelations about U.S. arms sales to Iran and the transfer of the proceeds (and other funds) to the contras in Nicaragua. A number of. ~ Ollie whined it ... " The Congress is to blame ... " " Our adversaries laugh at us and our friends recoil in horror ... " ~ Quote ~ Who Is Oliver North? New NRA President Was Behind Illegal Iran ... https://www.newsweek.com/who-oliver-north-new-nra-president-was-behind-illegal-ir... May 7, 2018 - Oliver North was a central figure in the Iran-Contra affair. ... North was found guilty of shredding government documents, receiving a bribe and ... ~ Iran-Contra Jury Finds Oliver North Guilty - CQ Almanac Online Edition https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal89-1139482 A jury on May 4, 1989, found former White House aide Oliver L. North guilty on three felony counts in connection with the Iran-contra affair but acquitted him on ... Prosecution's Case in North ... · The Defense Case: North ... ~ ~ Quote " Immunity " ~ North was tried in 1988. He was indicted on 16 felony counts, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC.[29] However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU),[30] North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.[31] The individual members of the prosecution team had isolated themselves from news reports and discussion of North's testimony, and while the defense could show no specific instance in which North's congressional testimony was used in his trial, the Court of Appeals ruled that the trial judge had made an insufficient examination of the issue. Consequently, North's convictions were reversed. After further hearings on the immunity issue, Judge Gesell dismissed all charges against North on September 16, 1991.[32] ~ wiki link ~ Whine on ... ~ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
and then 35,582 #85 Posted November 16, 2018 7 hours ago, third_eye said: Whine on ... That's YOUR schtick, little man, not mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
third_eye 36,311 #86 Posted November 17, 2018 4 hours ago, and then said: That's YOUR schtick, little man, not mine. Wow ... big talker ... let's hear the whine from your schticks then big pooch ... ~ Quote 10 Reprehensible Crimes Of Ronald Reagan - Listverse https://listverse.com/2015/01/15/10-reprehensible-crimes-of-ronald-reagan/ Jan 15, 2015 - As a result of the actions of Ronald Reagan and others like him, ..... to Iran to fund Contra terrorists in Nicaragua, the scandal is a bit more ... ~ NICARAGUA - Human Rights Watch https://www.hrw.org/reports/1989/WR89/Nicaragu.htm Under the Reagan administration, U.S. policy toward Nicaragua's Sandinista government ... The White House has managed to keep the contras alive -- against the ... in the April report and also analyzed the Nicaraguan government's actions in ... ~ CONTRA ATROCITIES AND U.S. POLICY TOWARD NICARAGUA ... https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-05-17-8702060671-story.html May 17, 1987 - The incident dramatized a point made by opponents of U.S. aid to the contras: that their atrocities render our policy criminal. As the left-wing ... Missing: acts | Must include: acts ~ Inquiry Finds Atrocities By Nicaraguan 'Contras' - The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/...atrocities...nicaraguan-contras/c23917ec-4da1-4202-... Mar 7, 1985 - An independent attorney's probe of charges that antigovernment rebels in Nicaragua commit human rights atrocities has produced 145 sworn ... [PDF] ~ atrocities in the nicaraguan civil war - CIA https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/.../CIA-RDP85T01058R000100170001-7.p... casualties on civilians during the course of actions in three broad categories: ... Reed Brody, "Attacks by the Nicaraguan 'Contras' on the Civilian Population. ~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
and then 35,582 #87 Posted November 17, 2018 Meanwhile, back on the actual topic, the Hamas is being forced into a tighter corner by the loss of U.S. $ and Trump - just keeps on winning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
and then 35,582 #89 Posted November 17, 2018 The element that all of these pieces share, yet never admit, is the nature of the hatred of Arabs for Jews. Those who support Palestinians do so no matter what atrocities or horrors they commit. It's an unspoken rule that the Jews get only what they deserve. Every time, no matter the circumstances. Even beheading of infants is acceptable in the "struggle". Let them continue in their hate. Maybe someday they'll teach their children that mindless hate makes misery inevitable. If not then let them suffer. You can't fix stupid, or so I've heard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
