Is this Atlantis ... at the coast of Spain?

[docyabut2]

4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Yet you continuously ignore very important points concerning Plato’s Atlantis: 

1)  Atlantis was claimed to be over half the size of the Iberian Peninsula 

2)  Atlantis, IN ITS ENTIRETY, is claimed to have subsided into the sea

Cormac

the plain

it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia. This part of the island looked towards the south, and was sheltered from the north.

Edited July 16, 2019 by docyabut2

[cormac mac airt]

11 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

the plain

it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia. This part of the island looked towards the south, and was sheltered from the north.

And you completely ignored what I said. 

cormac

[jaylemurph]

4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

And you completely ignored what I said. 

cormac

Have you ever, even once, heard an Atlantidiot say, “I was wrong”?

Mario evidently rejects the whole of science in toto to cling to his ridiculous idea of dancing islands. Petty can’t be bothered to stop lying about being Plato long enough to notice no one gives a **** what he thinks he is. Docy... well, Docy has her own issues at play, but like Mario, there are times where she doesn’t know what she’s posting. 

...and none of them seem to recognize just why people utterly dismiss Atlantis as a concept.

—Jaylemurph 

[cormac mac airt]

6 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

Have you ever, even once, heard an Atlantidiot say, “I was wrong”?

Mario evidently rejects the whole of science in toto to cling to his ridiculous idea of dancing islands. Petty can’t be bothered to stop lying about being Plato long enough to notice no one gives a **** what he thinks he is. Docy... well, Docy has her own issues at play, but like Mario, there are times where she doesn’t know what she’s posting. 

...and none of them seem to recognize just why people utterly dismiss Atlantis as a concept.

—Jaylemurph 

There’s always a first time. At least one can hope. 

cormac

[docyabut2]

18 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

Have you ever, even once, heard an Atlantidiot say, “I was wrong”?

Mario evidently rejects the whole of science in toto to cling to his ridiculous idea of dancing islands. Petty can’t be bothered to stop lying about being Plato long enough to notice no one gives a **** what he thinks he is. Docy... well, Docy has her own issues at play, but like Mario, there are times where she doesn’t know what she’s posting. 

...and none of them seem to recognize just why people utterly dismiss Atlantis as a concept.

—Jaylemurph 

I remember Mario and respect all the Atlantis theories:)  but what I say is my own theory

Edited July 17, 2019 by docyabut2

[docyabut2]

16 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

There’s always a first time. At least one can hope. 

Cormac

There was only a part of Atlantis that sunk in the sea:)

Edited July 17, 2019 by docyabut2

[docyabut2]

7 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

There was only a part of Atlantis that sunk in the sea:)

 But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth,

 http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html

 

Its means only few Athens Greek men .

[cormac mac airt]

13 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

There was only a part of Atlantis that sunk in the sea:)

 

Quote

But afterwards there occurred violent

earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune

all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island

of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea.

Care to try again, Plato's Timaeus says you're wrong?

cormac

Edited July 17, 2019 by cormac mac airt

[docyabut2]

11 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

 

Care to try again, Plato's Timaeus says you're wrong?

cormac

Still believe it was a war with a part of Tartessos near Gades :):):)

The AMV features the End of Tartessos, as describes tn Blue Water,

 

Edited July 17, 2019 by docyabut2

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, docyabut2 said:

Still believe it was a war with a part of Tartessos:):):)

And you're STILL misrepresenting what Plato said which means you're being both purposely and intellectually dishonest.

cormac

[docyabut2]

21 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

And you're STILL misrepresenting what Plato said which means you're being both purposely and intellectually dishonest.

cormac

Still Plato`s ending is a  punishment, not a ending

 

Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve,

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

 

[cormac mac airt]

8 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Still Plato`s ending is a  punishment, not a ending

 

Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve,

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

 

It doesn't matter what the reason for it was, Plato says it ALL was destroyed and NOT just a portion of it. That's pretty final IMO. Also, the punishment was to teach Athens a lesson, not Atlantis. 

cormac

[Harte]

2 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Why is it that Atlantis believers claim that Plato's story was real, and then proceed to discard most of what Plato actually wrote ? I don't get it.

Dementia.

Harte

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

2 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Still Plato`s ending is a  punishment, not a ending

 

Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve,

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

 

Zeus, who ruled based upon the will of his Willie, was a capricious douche who routinely raped everyone he came across. Hardly someone I’d call just.

[+Pettytalk]

2 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

It doesn't matter what the reason for it was, Plato says it ALL was destroyed and NOT just a portion of it. That's pretty final IMO. Also, the punishment was to teach Athens a lesson, not Atlantis. 

cormac

A tickler for facts are you not? Just where does Plato say it was to teach Athens and not Atlantis the lesson?

And figuratively speaking, if I tell you that a certain commercial business "went under", does it mean that it was physically destroyed, rather than just financially?

And keeping to figuratively speaking, just as one example, what are we to make of Poseidon as being the father of the 5 set of twins? Are we going to assert mythological beings as actually having had intercourse with a human as fact, just because Plato says that's how the Atlantian race began?

Are you not picking cherries from Plato for your own refuting purposes?

From Plato's Critias dialogue, Jowett's translation.

And Poseidon, receiving for his lot the island of Atlantis, begat children by a mortal woman, and settled them in a part of the island, which I will describe.

And since when, does the "reason" not matter in a story?

[+Pettytalk]

32 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Zeus, who ruled based upon the will of his Willie, was a capricious douche who routinely raped everyone he came across. Hardly someone I’d call just.

Good point! But only if we are dealing with the Zeus of mythology. The name of Zeus is being used figuratively, and for two reasons, mainly.

1. Because Zeus, the god of all gods is to represent the one Timaeus will reveal in the Timaeus dialogue, and which is the Father and Creator of all, including the gods, cosmology wise. 

2. To represent the age of the rule of Zeus, the one we are in right now, as represented in the Statesman dialogue. For the additional reason to indicate the soon coming changing of the guard, since we will be, shortly, coming under the rule of Cronos, once again. A cyclic event that recurs at long intervals. Recurring cyclic events are hinted in the Timaeus, as told by the Egyptian priest prior to revealing the story of Atlantis.

In other words, the age of Pisces is ending, and the age of Aquarius is ushering in. And the age of Aquarius is the age of Cronos, as briefly described in Plato's Statesman dialogue.

There are two songs that I like to associate with this post, being both relative in expressing the coming events. One is more sublime, and which is Pink Floyd's, Wish You Were Here. And the other is rather obvious and clear. This one.

 

[Kenemet]

4 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Still Plato`s ending is a  punishment, not a ending

 

Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve,

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

 

Actually, we don't know that.... because that's where the story cuts off.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

7 hours ago, Harte said:

Dementia.

Harte

In her case thats probably true, but she is far from the only one to tell how true Plato is and then proceeed to discard most of what he wrote. 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

8 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Still Plato`s ending is a  punishment, not a ending

There actually isn't an ending. Its missing.

8 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Zeus, the god of gods,

Aren't you a devout christian ?

8 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve,

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

He saw an honourable race, so he helped them to improve by destroying them ? Yeah that makes sense......  

[Hanslune]

8 hours ago, Pettytalk said:

A tickler for facts are you not?

 

Of the combatants on the one side, the city of Athens was reported to have
been the leader and to have fought out the war; the combatants on
the other side were commanded by the kings of Atlantis, which, as
was saying, was an island greater in extent than Libya and Asia, and
when afterwards sunk by an earthquake, became an impassable barrier of
mud to voyagers sailing from hence to any part of the ocean.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/critias.txt

So that DOESN'T mean that Atlantis was physically destroyed? lol

[Hanslune]

10 hours ago, Harte said:

Dementia.

Harte

Atlantis is creative playdoh. People make of it what they want. When I use to teach one of my mini-polls was about Atlantis. I'd ask students whether they:

1. Believed it was an advance Bronze age culture

2. Believe it was a 'new age' super advance technologically superior culture

3. A literary creation

4. They were unsure

About 50% thought of it as new age, 10% bronze age, 15% a literary creation and the others 'not sure'.

Now how many had read T & C? Less than 1%

[atalante]

11 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

  11 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

There was only a part of Atlantis that sunk in the sea:)

 

  Quote

But afterwards there occurred violent

earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune

all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island

of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea.

Care to try again, Plato's Timaeus says you're wrong?

cormac

 

cormac, 

I presume docyabut is correct; and you are reading your bolded statement wrong.

The "island of Atlantis" alludes to the region that Poseidon surrounded by circles of water, to make it into a region within Poseidon's watery dominion.  That's the metropolis of Atlantis, as distinguished from the full empire. 

[cormac mac airt]

1 hour ago, atalante said:

cormac, 

I presume docyabut is correct; and you are reading your bolded statement wrong.

The "island of Atlantis" alludes to the region that Poseidon surrounded by circles of water, to make it into a region within Poseidon's watery dominion.  That's the metropolis of Atlantis, as distinguished from the full empire. 

You presume incorrectly and ignore what Plato said in order to support your own unevidenced interpretation. Either stick with what Plato said or quit pretending to be relevant to the discussion. As the island of Atlantis includes the plain and the island is said to have disappeared into the sea that would include the plain as well leaving nothing left. This isn’t rocket science. 

cormac

[Hanslune]

23 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

You presume incorrectly and ignore what Plato said in order to support your own unevidenced interpretation. Either stick with what Plato said or quit pretending to be relevant to the discussion. As the island of Atlantis includes the plain and the island is said to have disappeared into the sea that would include the plain as well leaving nothing left. This isn’t rocket science. 

cormac

U N L E S S, the city of Atlantis was made of painted styrofoam - it would then have floated......after the continent the size of Asia and Libya had sunk.....

[Piney]

10 hours ago, Pettytalk said:

Good point! But only if we are dealing with the Zeus of mythology. The name of Zeus is being used figuratively, and for two reasons, mainly.

1. Because Zeus, the god of all gods is to represent the one Timaeus will reveal in the Timaeus dialogue, and which is the Father and Creator of all, including the gods, cosmology wise. 

Zeus ("Dyeus Phter"- Dyaus Pitar, Jupiter, Deva, Daeva,  Dewios, Tiwaz) was the "Divine Ancestor" and a Sun God in the Proto-Indo European panthelon. Not the "creator".  They would be Uranus and/or Gaia. 

The Abrahamic Yahweh/ El Shaddai was a smashed together Fire God and a Mountain God who were both "creators" but nobody's ancestor. As with his current incarnation as "God". 

Plato would not of mixed them up or even knew about Semitic Gods.