Piney Posted August 20, 2019 #1701 Share Posted August 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: I support Lillios's hypothesis that the plaques are genealogical mnemonic recording systems. Could be in trying to find the first chiefs. I don't. I agree with the linked paper that they weren't. They also show no signs of long term wear indicating they were made for the dead. Which comes back to the owl motif, a psychopomp to act as a afterlife guide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 20, 2019 #1702 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) http://www.patrimoniocultural.gov.pt/media/uploads/revistaportuguesadearqueologia/5_2/5.pdf The classic Iberian plaques have a bipartite compositional structure, consisting of a narrower one-third (top) of the plaque and a wider bottom two-thirds of the plaque (base) (Fig. 3). I refer to the narrower section as the ‘top’ because it is often perforated (with one or two holes), and the plaques appear to have been hung from here (possibly on a person’s neck or a post) Edited August 20, 2019 by docyabut2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 20, 2019 #1703 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) to me this ancient culture were the ancestors of the chiefs of the Tartessians and were the Atlantians Edited August 20, 2019 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 20, 2019 #1704 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: to me this ancient culture were the ancestors of the chiefs of the Tartessians and were the Atlantians To me they were Neolithic farmers who combined with Celts and Phoenicians to form the various Iberian Cultures and contributed to the Atlantic Bronze Age Culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 20, 2019 #1705 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) also to me the Greeks just made up their names in the translations of the Egyptians of Atlantis, but it is in Gades Yet, before proceeding further in the narrative, I ought to warn you, that you must not be surprised if you should perhaps hear Hellenic names given to foreigners. I will tell you the reason of this: Solon, who was intending to use the tale for his poem, enquired into the meaning of the names, and found that the early Egyptians in writing them down had translated them into their own language, and he recovered the meaning of the several names and when copying them out again translated them into our language http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html a Egyptian plaque Edited August 20, 2019 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 20, 2019 #1706 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: also to me the Greeks just made up their names in the translations of the Egyptians of Atlantis, but it is in Gades Yet, before proceeding further in the narrative, I ought to warn you, that you must not be surprised if you should perhaps hear Hellenic names given to foreigners. I will tell you the reason of this: Solon, who was intending to use the tale for his poem, enquired into the meaning of the names, and found that the early Egyptians in writing them down had translated them into their own language, and he recovered the meaning of the several names and when copying them out again translated them into our language http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html Egyptian plaques zigs and zags of marriages all the zigs and zags http://www.patrimoniocultural.gov.pt/media/uploads/revistaportuguesadearqueologia/5_2/5.pdf Edited August 20, 2019 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted August 20, 2019 #1707 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Please stop reposting yourself. There’s no need to post the exact same material more than once. —Jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 20, 2019 #1708 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: Please stop reposting yourself. There’s no need to post the exact same material more than once. —Jaylemurph this is not over and over I`l posting, sorry it did double Edited August 20, 2019 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 20, 2019 #1709 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, docyabut2 said: also to me the Greeks just made up their names in the translations of the Egyptians of Atlantis, but it is in Gades Yet, before proceeding further in the narrative, I ought to warn you, that you must not be surprised if you should perhaps hear Hellenic names given to foreigners. I will tell you the reason of this: Solon, who was intending to use the tale for his poem, enquired into the meaning of the names, and found that the early Egyptians in writing them down had translated them into their own language, and he recovered the meaning of the several names and when copying them out again translated them into our language http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html a Egyptian plaque And yet the Egyptians NEVER had a story concerning Atlantis at any point of their 3000+ year history. cormac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 21, 2019 #1710 Share Posted August 21, 2019 53 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: And yet the Egyptians NEVER had a story concerning Atlantis at any point of their 3000+ year history. cormac So how was this story told to Solon if only the Egyptian language was in images ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted August 21, 2019 #1711 Share Posted August 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: So how was this story told to Solon if only the Egyptian language was in images ? ...the exact same way Hermione Grainger tells Harry Potter things. —Jaylemurph 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #1712 Share Posted August 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: So how was this story told to Solon if only the Egyptian language was in images ? Plato made it up. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence that Solon ever knew of any such story outside of Plato’s claim. Hear-say doesn’t make it true. cormac 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted August 21, 2019 #1713 Share Posted August 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Plato made it up. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence that Solon ever knew of any such story outside of Plato’s claim. Hear-say doesn’t make it true. cormac Excellent points but the wall isn't listening. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #1714 Share Posted August 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, Hanslune said: Excellent points but the wall isn't listening. She’s not a brick wall Hans. cormac 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarocal Posted August 21, 2019 #1715 Share Posted August 21, 2019 12 hours ago, jaylemurph said: ...the exact same way Hermione Grainger tells Harry Potter things. —Jaylemurph In English? Using the haughty tone of a "know it all" academic? In between sessions of snogging Viktor Krum? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted August 21, 2019 #1716 Share Posted August 21, 2019 It's perfectly fine to sound like a know it all if you do, in fact, know it all. Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted August 21, 2019 #1717 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Harte said: It's perfectly fine to sound like a know it all if you do, in fact, know it all. Harte I know everything worth knowing. If I dont know it, its clearly not worth knowing. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted August 21, 2019 #1718 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: I know everything worth knowing. If I dont know it, its clearly not worth knowing. I knew that. jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted August 21, 2019 #1719 Share Posted August 21, 2019 On 8/20/2019 at 12:57 AM, Pettytalk said: You are so vain, you have taken it to mean you. My dear Jay is not a ball. Hi Pettytalk Well fortunately the last couple of days on the project have been kickass and given my vanity my disappointment goes unnoticed. By the way Petty that's not talk why is it that when you say dear to me that I envision your desire to firmly hug my neck? jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atalante Posted August 21, 2019 #1720 Share Posted August 21, 2019 On 8/20/2019 at 11:21 AM, cormac mac airt said: From what I can tell, using Liddell and Scott's Greek and English Lexicon, the following phrase: Loosely translates as: "the furthest point/portion in the direction of the Pillars of Hercules" which has NOTHING to do with the 'end of the world' as you claim. And even then, said part is only concerning the part of Plato's Atlantis that belongs to Eumelus and NOT Atlantis in its entirety. cormac cormac, You blanked out the most relevant part of this passage - about Gadeira. To cover the passage's info about Gadeira, Bury's translation applied the sense for "epi' that the LSJ lexicon calls A.I.3.b. The Atlantis story is being narrated by Critias/Plato from the viewpoint of Solon (570 BC). In that regard, from the time of Homer (ca 800 BC) to Pindar (ca 480 BC), Gadeira had been legendary, among Greeks, as the the western end of the world. But, as I pointed out previously, modern brains tend to be distracted by a modern idea that Gadeira/Gades/Cadiz is not the end of the world. Bury translation: the extremity of the island near the pillars of Heracles "up to" [=epi] the part of the country now called Gadeira after the name of that region Thus the Atlantis island was east of Gadeira, which Greeks in Solon's era considered to be positioned at the western end of the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #1721 Share Posted August 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, atalante said: cormac, You blanked out the most relevant part of this passage - about Gadeira. To cover the passage's info about Gadeira, Bury's translation applied the sense for "epi' that the LSJ lexicon calls A.I.3.b. The Atlantis story is being narrated by Critias/Plato from the viewpoint of Solon (570 BC). In that regard, from the time of Homer (ca 800 BC) to Pindar (ca 480 BC), Gadeira had been legendary, among Greeks, as the the western end of the world. But, as I pointed out previously, modern brains tend to be distracted by a modern idea that Gadeira/Gades/Cadiz is not the end of the world. Bury translation: the extremity of the island near the pillars of Heracles "up to" [=epi] the part of the country now called Gadeira after the name of that region Thus the Atlantis island was east of Gadeira, which Greeks in Solon's era considered to be positioned at the western end of the world. Except that's NOT what it says as it places EUMELUS' PORTION east of Gadeira. You're reinterpreting it to mean what you 'want' it to mean. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted August 22, 2019 #1722 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: Except that's NOT what it says as it places EUMELUS' PORTION east of Gadeira. You're reinterpreting it to mean what you 'want' it to mean. cormac That happens when you’re translating out of a language you don’t actually speak. —Jaylemurph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted August 22, 2019 #1723 Share Posted August 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Harte said: It's perfectly fine to sound like a know it all if you do, in fact, know it all. Harte Just ask a Hound.... —Jaylemurph 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 22, 2019 #1724 Share Posted August 22, 2019 On 8/21/2019 at 9:56 AM, cormac mac airt said: And yet the Egyptians NEVER had a story concerning Atlantis at any point of their 3000+ year history. cormac It’s because Solon literally stole the story, he stole everything about it, even the people’s memories of the story. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted August 22, 2019 #1725 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: It’s because Solon literally stole the story, he stole everything about it, even the people’s memories of the story. Atlantis: first victim of the Last Great Time War. —Jaylemurph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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