Piney Posted August 26, 2019 #1776 Share Posted August 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, Hanslune said: They agree on only one thing - that orthodoxy is wrong beyond that its a knife fight with poisoned blades. We could only wish....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 26, 2019 #1777 Share Posted August 26, 2019 9 hours ago, atalante said: Pettytalk, Plato did not go wobbly in the passage you cited. docyabut2 has already linked to an image showing that a "1500-1300 BC culture" for bronze age Southwestern Spain and southern Portugal is named for a small peninsula: the Atalaia peninsula. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iberia_Bronze.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South-Western_Iberian_Bronze The Atalaia coastal region shed much of of its soil (into the sea) in three regional tsunami's: 2000 BC; 1600 BC; and 1200 BC. https://www.tripmondo.com/portugal/faro/lagos/atalaia/ When the Phoenicians arrived in this region, by sea ca. 1100-900 BC, the Phoenicians reported that that the sea farther west than Gadeira/Gades/Cadiz became too shallow to sail farther west. Which, assuming you've actually reported what the Phoenicians claimed accurately, would have been a lie on their part as the entrance to/exit from the Mediterranean (as claimed by Plato) WAS NOT blocked nor was the area further westward from Cadiz. At most the only area that 'may' have been blocked was the exit of the Quadalquivir River into the Gulf of Tartessos. That WOULD NOT affect the PoH/SoG. cormac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 26, 2019 #1778 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said: Which, assuming you've actually reported what the Phoenicians claimed accurately, would have been a lie on their part as the entrance to/exit from the Mediterranean (as claimed by Plato) WAS NOT blocked nor was the area further westward from Cadiz. At most the only area that 'may' have been blocked was the exit of the Quadalquivir River into the Gulf of Tartessos. That WOULD NOT affect the PoH/SoG. It should also be pointed out that Tavira, Portugal was ALSO a Phoenician settlement, dating to at least the 8th Century BC. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 26, 2019 #1779 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Piney said: And a Edgar Cayce A.R.E. Atlantidiot who insists it's in Florida..... ......oops. Sorry, I chased them all away. Edgar Cayce A.R.E. is not the Plato`s Atlantis. he gave in visions of a book written way before him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dweller_on_Two_Planets Edited August 26, 2019 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 26, 2019 #1780 Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: Edgar Cayce A.R.E. is not the Plato`s Atlantis A.R.E is a group of con artists and medical frauds whose "Atlantis research?" is a flow of racist, revisionist history bull chips. I am not half Atlantean and half Hebrew. I'm 1/4 Denisovan, 1/4 Siberian and half some unidentified North Yorkshire hominid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 26, 2019 #1781 Share Posted August 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: Edgar Cayce A.R.E. is not the Plato`s Atlantis Tartessos isn’t Plato’s Atlantis either but that hasn’t stopped anyone from claiming otherwise. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted August 26, 2019 #1782 Share Posted August 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Piney said: I'm 1/4 Denisovan, 1/4 Siberian and half some unidentified North Yorkshire hominid. Oh, you mean you're from Joisey! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted August 26, 2019 #1783 Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Hanslune said: They agree on only one thing - that orthodoxy is wrong beyond that its a knife fight with poisoned blades. We also agree that you and a couple of your buddies are not worth cutting up much; too dense to feel the blade cutting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 26, 2019 #1784 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said: It should also be pointed out that Tavira, Portugal was ALSO a Phoenician settlement, dating to at least the 8th Century BC. The list of Phoenician settlements also includes Figueira da Foz and Lisbon, Portugal, BOTH of which are on the western Portuguese coast and contradicts the lie that the western areas beyond Cadiz were unnavigable. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 26, 2019 #1785 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: Which, assuming you've actually reported what the Phoenicians claimed accurately, would have been a lie on their part as the entrance to/exit from the Mediterranean (as claimed by Plato) WAS NOT blocked nor was the area further westward from Cadiz. At most the only area that 'may' have been blocked was the exit of the Quadalquivir River into the Gulf of Tartessos. That WOULD NOT affect the cormac Phoenicians always were hugging the coast lines so it could have been Tartessos quit denying it that may be Tartessos was written in the bible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos Simcha Jacobovici, involved in the production of a documentary on Freund's work for the National Geographic Channel, stated that the biblical Tarshish (which he believes is the same as Tartessos) was Atlantis, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted August 26, 2019 #1786 Share Posted August 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, Piney said: A.R.E is a group of con artists and medical frauds whose "Atlantis research?" is a flow of racist, revisionist history bull chips. I am not half Atlantean and half Hebrew. I'm 1/4 Denisovan, 1/4 Siberian and half some unidentified North Yorkshire hominid. More like a full breed yapping Yorkie, but you do present yourself as well groomed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 26, 2019 #1787 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pettytalk said: More like a full breed yapping Yorkie, but you do present yourself as well groomed! Your only saying that because you a 1/2 inch taller than me. 31 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: Oh, you mean you're from Joisey! Down Jeerzy Joisey is another state above us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted August 26, 2019 #1788 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: The list of Phoenician settlements also includes Figueira da Foz and Lisbon, Portugal, BOTH of which are on the western Portuguese coast and contradicts the lie that the western areas beyond Cadiz were unnavigable. cormac Just stop, as you don't understand Plato. Go and read Plato at least 100 times over, and then come back and give it a whirl again, as you currently have mud all over your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 26, 2019 #1789 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Pettytalk said: More like a full breed yapping Yorkie, but you do present yourself as well groomed! Edgar Cayce was half right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted August 26, 2019 #1790 Share Posted August 26, 2019 In any event, the original Pillars of Heracles were the promontories of Taenarum and Maleas atop which were temple of Apollo and Poseidon at the southern end of the Peloponnese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 26, 2019 #1791 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, docyabut2 said: Edgar Cayce was half right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 26, 2019 #1792 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, docyabut2 said: Phoenicians always were hugging the coast lines so it could have been Tartessos quit denying it that may be Tartessos was written in the bible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos Simcha Jacobovici, involved in the production of a documentary on Freund's work for the National Geographic Channel, stated that the biblical Tarshish (which he believes is the same as Tartessos) was Atlantis, Citing an incompetent researcher doesn't make it true. cormac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 26, 2019 #1793 Share Posted August 26, 2019 57 minutes ago, Pettytalk said: Just stop, as you don't understand Plato. Go and read Plato at least 100 times over, and then come back and give it a whirl again, as you currently have mud all over your face. SSDD. cormac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted August 26, 2019 #1794 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said: Citing an incompetent researcher doesn't make it true. cormac Wasn't the culture contemporary with the Solon anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 26, 2019 #1795 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, ShadowSot said: Wasn't the culture contemporary with the Solon anyway? A culture, such as Tartessos, being contemporary to Solon makes it entirely irrelevant to “when” Plato placed Atlantis, “where” Plato placed it and “what” Plato described it as which was an island and NOT the mainland. Jacobovici’s attempt to reinterpret Plato’s Atlantis makes him no more reliable than any other failed “researcher”. cormac Edited August 26, 2019 by cormac mac airt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted August 26, 2019 #1796 Share Posted August 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: A culture, such as Tartessos, being contemporary to Solon makes it entirely irrelevant to “when” Plato placed Atlantis, “where” Plato placed it and “what” Plato described it as which was an island and NOT the mainland. Jacobovici’s attempt to reinterpret Plato’s Atlantis makes him no more reliable than any other failed “researcher”. cormac OH sure. My point is that even with the stated caveats Tartessos was still active and trading while according to the story Atlantis is long destroyed. I mean, some of the other proposed identified locations for Atlantis you can see it. But Tartessos fits none of them, and wasn't even destroyed at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 26, 2019 #1797 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, ShadowSot said: OH sure. My point is that even with the stated caveats Tartessos was still active and trading while according to the story Atlantis is long destroyed. I mean, some of the other proposed identified locations for Atlantis you can see it. But Tartessos fits none of them, and wasn't even destroyed at the time. Unfortunately people like docyabut2 and atalante don’t care about whether Tartessos was active or not they just want a place to pin the name Atlantis on. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cox Posted August 26, 2019 #1798 Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: SSDD. cormac Yes Cormac, you are not Plato reincarnated.... So just stop it.... hahahahah!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted August 26, 2019 #1799 Share Posted August 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Piney said: Your only saying that because you a 1/2 inch taller than me. You are making me too tall, make that a 1/4 inch. Still, you are much better looking than what I can picture Jaylemurph to look like They say that dogs resemble their owners. And if Jay is a dog owner, this is how I picture his dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted August 26, 2019 #1800 Share Posted August 26, 2019 6 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: Citing an incompetent researcher doesn't make it true. cormac I hate to agree here, but I have to, since it's closer to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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