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Is this Atlantis ... at the coast of Spain?

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docyabut2
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On ‎5‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 5:17 PM, docyabut2 said:

I`m still on a map  of a missing city, "It's possible it's Atlantis,

 

Scientists study mystery map in Roman ruins

Ancient map
This map came with no key   

May 27, 1998
Web posted at: 3:29 a.m. EDT (0729 GMT)

From Rome Bureau Chief Gayle Young

ROME (CNN) -- Beneath the Eternal City, an accident has unveiled a mystery that has archaeologists excited but puzzled.

In the ancient Baths of Trajan, near the Colosseum, a worker accidentally scraped away part of a wall this spring, revealing a map some 2,000 years old.

But a map of what?

"It's certainly not Rome, because the features don't match," says site superintendent Eugenio La Rocca. "Also, it's not London, as has been suggested."

Historians are considering the possibility that it's a mythical city, or a figment of the artist's imagination, but La Rocca is not convinced. "It's possible it's Atlantis, but we don't think so," he says. "It's so precise, we believe it's a real city."

While experts compare the map to the layout of known ancient cities, modern technology has been brought to bear on the question. Experts have enhanced the faded colors of the painting, and built a three-dimensional model based on it.

Art historians are also intrigued -- the painter used shadowing and perspective techniques that were uncommon in the first century A.D., and painted buildings reflected in water.

Perhaps most intriguingly, the map is painted from an overhead perspective, as if the artist was hovering above the city gates.

Though historians have the best of modern technology and surviving ancient documents on their side, the map may never be understood; the city it depicts and the artist who painted it may have left no other tracks to follow.

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/science/9805/27/italy.mystery.map/index.html

 

All this including the zones and the bridge, which was the sixth part of a stadium in width, they surrounded by a stone wall on every side, placing towers and gates on the bridges where the sea passed in.

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

it could mean a lost city of Tartessos

 

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("It's certainly not Rome, because the features don't match," says site superintendent Eugenio La Rocca. "Also, it's not London, as has been suggested.":)

 To me this ancient city could be from Spain, Trajan was from Spain. !

(Plato

 Here was Poseidon's own temple which was a stadium in length, and half a stadium in width, and of a proportionate height, having a strange barbaric appearance)

this building measures it , so what is this building?

 

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Peter Cox
1 hour ago, docyabut2 said:

("It's certainly not Rome, because the features don't match," says site superintendent Eugenio La Rocca. "Also, it's not London, as has been suggested.":)

 To me this ancient city could be from Spain, Trajan was from Spain. !

(Plato

 Here was Poseidon's own temple which was a stadium in length, and half a stadium in width, and of a proportionate height, having a strange barbaric appearance)

this building measures it , so what is this building?

 

No no and no... 

It was only in a book thats where exactly where it is. no where else just in the pages of a book. Not on a scroll in Egypt not in Spain or any place other than the writings of Plato. 

Sorry but again NO.

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Kenemet
2 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

("It's certainly not Rome, because the features don't match," says site superintendent Eugenio La Rocca. "Also, it's not London, as has been suggested.":)

 To me this ancient city could be from Spain, Trajan was from Spain. !

(Plato

 Here was Poseidon's own temple which was a stadium in length, and half a stadium in width, and of a proportionate height, having a strange barbaric appearance)

this building measures it , so what is this building?

 

It was built around 100 AD, so around 600 years after Plato.  Not proof of anything unless it was depicting something contemporary to that time.

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jaylemurph

Three times. Three times. 

There is no need to present the same dreck three different times. 

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docyabut2
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THE LOST CITY OF TARTESSUS

There is nothing quite so invigorating as the story of a lost city. Stories from archaeology and fiction are replete with such tales, both real and fanciful.

One such lost city was called Tartessus or Tartessos by the ancient Romans and Greeks

https://www.anomalist.com/features/tartessus.html

 

The Tartessians also had close ties to the eastern Greeks, especially the lost Greek colony called Mainake in southwestern Spain.

 

 

 

 

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docyabut2
8 hours ago, Kenemet said:

It was built around 100 AD, so around 600 years after Plato.  Not proof of anything unless it was depicting something contemporary to that time.

Yes the Baths of Trajan 104 ad,  but Trajan came from Spain and a painter may have carried a map of that lost city.

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jaylemurph

Docy, if you can’t remember posting exactly the same links to exactly the same stories multiple times over and in multiple different threads, maybe it’s time to take a break. 

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Kenemet
15 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Yes the Baths of Trajan 104 ad,  but Trajan came from Spain and a painter may have carried a map of that lost city.

Carried a map?  Of a city "lost" 9,000 years before?  A city that just happens to have Roman architecture 8,000 years before the Romans developed it?

Nope.  That's not plausible.

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2 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Carried a map?  Of a city "lost" 9,000 years before?  A city that just happens to have Roman architecture 8,000 years before the Romans developed it?

Nope.  That's not plausible.

S U R E - why not - all is possible, probable and plausible once you've entered the Atlantis zone.

 

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Pettytalk
On 5/19/2019 at 3:11 PM, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

NEVER !

If we don't have this thread how are we ever going to share in the wisdom of people like Pettytalk, docyabut2 and Captain Risky ?

Never can wisdom be shared with the unwise. I don't know about the other two, but my wisdom comes from above, as far as I can tell.

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Pettytalk
13 hours ago, Hanslune said:

S U R E - why not - all is possible, probable and plausible once you've entered the Atlantis zone.

 

Twilight time to dream a while
In veils of deepening gloom
As fantasy strides over colorful skies
Before disappearing from view
In twilight time dream with me a while
A nightingale plays a dark mellow phrase
Of notes that are rich and so true
An aerial display by the firefly brigade
Dancing to tunes no one knew
In twilight time dream with me a while
In twilight time dream with me a while
Building castles in the air
Whistling to the wind
As nature bows down her head
See what tomorrow brings
Twilight time

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Pettytalk
16 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Carried a map?  Of a city "lost" 9,000 years before?  A city that just happens to have Roman architecture 8,000 years before the Romans developed it?

Nope.  That's not plausible.

With map in hand no one is lost, unless true north is pointing south. All is plausible if one can find the hidden map in Plato's writings! With time travel the future is not so distant from the past

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jaylemurph

Is there a point to any of that blather, or are you just speaking to hear yourself talk?

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Pettytalk
18 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

Is there a point to any of that blather, or are you just speaking to hear yourself talk?

—Jaylemurph 

Actually it was in the hope of hearing from you, my reluctant, loving, fickle friend! Even a mere reproach from you is music to my ears.

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Pettytalk
On 5/21/2019 at 9:02 AM, jaylemurph said:

Three times. Three times. 

There is no need to present the same dreck three different times. 

—Jaylemurph 

 

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Pettytalk
On 5/21/2019 at 3:40 AM, docyabut2 said:

Here was Poseidon's own temple which was a stadium in length, and half a stadium in width, and of a proportionate height, having a strange barbaric appearance)

this building measures it , so what is this building?

This is not a joke. It's the Capital building of the USA, the one on capitol hill at Washington DC.

The dimensional proportions are nearly the same, as its length is a ratio just about 1 to 1/2. 1 stadium in length is represented by the 751 feet, and the width of 1/2 stadium is represented by the 350 feet. And of course, it is of a proportionate height, when considering the dome height. And the dome is the strange barbaric appearance stated by Plato. The exterior of the capital building is mostly of a typical classical Greek architecture, except for the large dome, which is of Roman design and engineering for such large-scale hemispherical architectural structures, which came well after Plato's time.. And to the classical Hellenes, all non-Hellenes were considered barbarians.

We are free to look at the rest of what Plato said about Poseidon's temple, and we will note all the details will make perfect sense. For instance, the exterior was all silver, except for the pinnacles, which were gold. What we have is an exterior that looks like silver under certain conditions. And the pinnacle is golden, as the Goddess Liberty is bronze.

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atalante
On 5/22/2019 at 7:07 AM, Kenemet said:

Carried a map?  Of a city "lost" 9,000 years before?  A city that just happens to have Roman architecture 8,000 years before the Romans developed it?

Nope.  That's not plausible.

no.

Critias did not consider the metropolis of Atlantis to be immediately glorious at 9000 years Before-Solon.  According to Critias, that was the date (9000 Before-Solon) when the cosmos was set in order by the gods, and also when soil erosion started to occur in Attica.  

 

[Crit 114c]  So all these, themselves and their descendants, dwelt for many generations bearing rule over many other islands throughout the sea, and holding sway besides, as was previously stated,1 over the Mediterranean peoples as far as Egypt and Tuscany.

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Kenemet
4 minutes ago, atalante said:

no.

Critias did not consider the metropolis of Atlantis to be immediately glorious at 9000 years Before-Solon.  According to Critias, that was the date (9000 Before-Solon) when the cosmos was set in order by the gods, and also when soil erosion started to occur in Attica.  

 

[Crit 114c]  So all these, themselves and their descendants, dwelt for many generations bearing rule over many other islands throughout the sea, and holding sway besides, as was previously stated,1 over the Mediterranean peoples as far as Egypt and Tuscany.

Your quote doesn't confirm what you just said.  However, it's clear that the Tartessos culture didn't conquer or dominate Egypt, and it's clear that they didn't make cities like that.  So a painting, 500+ years after Plato, proves nothing.

Also, Critias didn't say that.  Plato wrote that.  I know it's pedantic, but there was a real Critias.

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Harte
2 hours ago, atalante said:

no.

Critias did not consider the metropolis of Atlantis to be immediately glorious at 9000 years Before-Solon.  According to Critias, that was the date (9000 Before-Solon) when the cosmos was set in order by the gods, and also when soil erosion started to occur in Attica.  

 

[Crit 114c]  So all these, themselves and their descendants, dwelt for many generations bearing rule over many other islands throughout the sea, and holding sway besides, as was previously stated,1 over the Mediterranean peoples as far as Egypt and Tuscany.

Really?

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Let me begin by observing first of all, that nine thousand was the sum of years which had elapsed since the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the Pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them; this war I am going to describe. Of the combatants on the one side, the city of Athens was reported to have been the leader and to have fought out the war; the combatants on the other side were commanded by the kings of Atlantis, which, as was saying, was an island greater in extent than Libya and Asia, and when afterwards sunk by an earthquake, became an impassable barrier of mud to voyagers sailing from hence to any part of the ocean.

Critias

You're simply wrong here.

Harte

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jaylemurph

Harte, when will you understand that Plato was a moron, and that any number of people ignorant of Ancient Greek and philosophy can tell you what he meant far better than he himself? That is the prime rule of Atlantidiots.

—Jaylemurph 

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Harte
2 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

Harte, when will you understand that Plato was a moron, and that any number of people ignorant of Ancient Greek and philosophy can tell you what he meant far better than he himself? That is the prime rule of Atlantidiots.

—Jaylemurph 

Yes. And the more clever of them will avoid directly contradicting the text.

Harte

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Piney
4 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

Atlantidiots.

At-lan-tid-iots

At-lant-idi-ots

Atl-anti-diots

Nope....still can't roll it off the tongue......

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Pettytalk
1 hour ago, Piney said:

At-lan-tid-iots

At-lant-idi-ots

Atl-anti-diots

Nope....still can't roll it off the tongue......

just say jay, and it will slide off.

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Pettytalk
6 hours ago, Harte said:

Really?

Critias

You're simply wrong here.

Harte

Simply? You should have stated "completely" wrong.

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jaylemurph
4 hours ago, Harte said:

Yes. And the more clever of them will avoid directly contradicting the text.

Harte

I’m not sure “more clever” and “Atlantidiots” belong in the same sentence...

—Jaylemurph 

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