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Is this Atlantis ... at the coast of Spain?

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docyabut2

I  would like your opinions on what is on the map,  that Georgeos Díaz-Montexano  was pointing to.:rolleyes:

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esoteric_toad

I can't help thinking that if Atlantis even existed, which I doubt, and if ever we did find its location and do a proper excavation it would end up being such a downer. 

I imagine it would be like hearing about some vacation destination that sounds so wonderful, so thrilling, so beautiful only to find that a marketing company did a fantastic job of making some boring little town appear to be infinitely more interesting than it actually is (sort of like MANY areas in Florida for example).

Still, people would be "amazed" because they spent all that money and time to get to it, they'd have to after all the anticipation and buildup. Likely would end up with one of those t-shirts, "I found Atlantis and only got this lousy t-shirt" type of thing.

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Pettytalk

Atlantis is like a merry-go-around, once you get on it it's hard to get off, and it just goes around and around the same old territories. There is nothing new to talk about. It's just new persons with different words for the same old arguments of for and against the existence of Atlantis. Words are hard to find in explaining to both sides how they are both wrong. When it comes to Plato's Atlantis we have the one side with those who propose and on the other side stand those who depose. What we have, so far, are all the old wrong proposals, and equally, since the proposals are erroneous, the deposing is irrelevant, and are all the same old academic refutations and mere moot points, although academically sound, as regarding the deposition of the erroneous proposals. It's the proposals that lack academic "stamina", since it's all speculations without any foundation to facts. And they also lack decisive, corroborative evidence, and therefore cannot make a stand on the ground they proposed as our Atlantis.  And since I know that what I have just stated will not sound clear to some, therefore I will let Sir Elton summarize it.  

 

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docyabut2
33 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

 

push the arrow and it shows the map:) to me its shows a island:)

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Piney
12 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

push the arrow and it shows the map:) to me its shows a island:)

Did you read what Harte posted? The map's a fraud. 

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Piney
21 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

Atlantis is like a merry-go-around, once you get on it it's hard to get off, and it just goes around and around the same old territories. There is nothing new to talk about

:yes: Holy ****! We agree!

Now what is this thing? It poisoned a lot of Russians in New Kuban and Jews in Norma. 

 

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Pettytalk
4 minutes ago, Piney said:

:yes: Holy ****! We agree!

Now what is this thing? It poisoned a lot of Russians in New Kuban and Jews in Norma. 

 

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By poisoning do you mean that those that indulged in a culinary manner showed gastrointestinal symptoms shortly after ingestion? Was the poisoning so severe as to be fatal, or if not fatal, required liver/kidney transplants? The single photo is not sufficient to make a clear identification, as all the features needed for positive identification are not showing, size for instance, or for another instance, stalk and underside of cap are obscure, and the top of the cap is too bright to tell any particular features about it.  A top and bottom view is required, as a minimum. However, the ensuing symptoms, after consumption, would tell much more about it. For instance, if the specimen in the photo has a volva at the base of the stalk, and its gills are white, and also with white spores, and also provokes death, or requires those mentioned transplants upon ingestion, then it would indicate an amanita. Perhaps a destroying angel (an Amanita phalloid, the white spring variety), or an amanita virosa. If the cap and stalk have greenish color, than it would be the typical amanita phalloid. Other various poisonous amanitas would cause serious poisonings, but often times not fatal. Some varieties of the cortinarius family are also known to cause fatal or serious poisonings, however these have a cortina (web-like filaments) rather than a stalk ring. The specimen in the photo is not formed like a typical amanita, as the stalk ring remnant is too high on the stalk, also the stalk itself is too thin in relation to the size of its cap. However, mushrooms do tend to form in a non-typical form at times, depending on the surrounding environment and other factors. If it's not an amanita, then it could not have caused serious poisoning, and it could just be a poisonous  lepiota variety of some kind.  

That is the best I can do with what you game me to go on.

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Piney
9 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

That is the best I can do with what you game me to go on.

It causes Gastrointestinal and renal issues.  If I remember rarely fatal but needs treatment.  It apparently looks like a common edible one in Eastern Europe. The cap is about 10 to 12 inches across.

I just remember my grandparents showing it to me and my grandfather telling me he got a lot of poison calls when he was a sheriff's deputy and ambulance medic. He said the name, but that was 35 to 40 years ago and I don't remember it. I haven't seen one until this sprouted on the log cart tracks and I can't find it in my book. 

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docyabut2
18 minutes ago, atalante said:

Thanks atalante :) you make more sense and is so smart :) to me

Its seems that Jason Colarvito`s reviews and some others are a bunch of crap. 

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Essan
6 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

I  would like your opinions on what is on the map,  that Georgeos Díaz-Montexano  was pointing to.:rolleyes:

A fraud,  Or a more recent imagination (we can see that the map itself was modern)

If it was an authentic 3,000+ year old map depicting Atlantis then it's one of the most valuable artifacts on the planet.   So strange no one else knows of it's existence ....

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Piney
4 minutes ago, Essan said:

A fraud,  Or a more recent imagination (we can see that the map itself was modern)

If it was an authentic 3,000+ year old map depicting Atlantis then it's one of the most valuable artifacts on the planet.   So strange no one else knows of it's existence ....

You are arguing with this......

12 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Its seems that Jason Colarvito`s reviews and some others are a bunch of crap. 

Need I say more.........

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Harte
7 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

I  would like your opinions on what is on the map,  that Georgeos Díaz-Montexano  was pointing to.:rolleyes:

Something like this, which is from a map (I've zoomed in on the area of discussion) that is based on Ptolemy's Geography.

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Harte

Here's another version of Ptolemy's world map, again zoomed in on the area, from the same site linked above.5c853ab8ae2fc_Ptolemy2zoomed.JPG.e715c882bd289930dbac24ade94864f1.JPG

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docyabut2

To me its points to -

To his twin brother, who was born after him, and obtained as his lot the extremity of the island towards the Pillars of Heracles, facing the country which is now called the region of Gades

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

 

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cormac mac airt
22 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

 Look at the maps atalante  just  posted :)

There is a island right across Gaderia

  http://atlantisng.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/tartessos-mapa.pdf

 

And yet you ignore the fact that the above map puts Cadiz in the middle of an entirely different, and non-existant, landmass than the rest of Spain. How convenient. 

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docyabut2

and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html

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RoofGardener

"Is this atlantis at the coast of spain ? "

No.. it is not. 

The end. 

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cormac mac airt
4 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html

And yet you don't understand subsidence either. 

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Will do

 

Same with the rising and falling of the earth's crust. It moves up and down same as it does side to side.

 

 

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Piney
7 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Same with the rising and falling of the earth's crust. It moves up and down same as it does side to side.

Not really. It pushes together, pushing one side underneath. The other side slightly up.  Then where it's pulling apart you get a magmatic province and volcanism. Bringing the stuff that was pushed under millions of years before, back up. Interesting cycle. 

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Will do
12 minutes ago, Piney said:

Not really. It pushes together, pushing one side underneath. The other side slightly up.  Then where it's pulling apart you get a magmatic province and volcanism. Bringing the stuff that was pushed under millions of years before, back up. Interesting cycle. 

 

Yes, the oceans are floating on top of the earth's crust while the earth's crust is floating on an ocean of magma.

Everything is mixing and fluid. Moving from side to side while bobbing up and down.

 

 

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jaylemurph
3 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

Same with the rising and falling of the earth's crust. It moves up and down same as it does side to side.

 

 

I feel like an actual geologist might argue the point. 

—Jaylemurph 

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