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Is this Atlantis ... at the coast of Spain?

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Swede
38 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

rivers-sized1.pngto me Spain is also a island considered  in ancient times,  and why the Vikings carried  their boats to get across :) 

Clarification please. Are you actually suggesting that during the "Viking Age" (~ AD 800 - 1066), the Iberian peninsula was considered an "island"? And that the Vikings carried their ships across the Pyrenees in order to reach the peninsula?

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1 minute ago, Swede said:

Clarification please. Are you actually suggesting that during the "Viking Age" (~ AD 800 - 1066), the Iberian peninsula was considered an "island"? And that the Vikings carried their ships across the Pyrenees in order to reach the peninsula?

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yes and why also ancient people considered it a island :)

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cormac mac airt
24 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

ok all, its why its was explained that all Atlantians  weren't  destroyed

 Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve, 

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

Atlantis was said to be an island, on which the ten kings each had a city, when the island subsided the cities would have disappeared as well. :rolleyes:

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cormac mac airt
3 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

yes and why also ancient people considered it a island :)

Never happened, even using the fabricated maps you’ve bought into. 

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15 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Atlantis was said to be an island, on which the ten kings each had a city, when the island subsided the cities would have disappeared as well. :rolleyes:

cormac

nope Cormac  they all survived")

Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve, 

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

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Jodie.Lynne
2 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

or maybe we all need to take a break from responding to her,

Orrrrr,

Just put her on ignore, since she is hopelessly devoted to this idea and will not be swayed by mere facts, or logic.....

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cormac mac airt
19 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

nope Cormac  they all survived")

Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve, 

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

Try again: 

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But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea.  (Source:  Timaeus)

Which means EVERYONE still on Atlantis at that point perished. But then, you do like making things up, don't you? 

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cormac mac airt
10 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

And ignored by you as you've STILL not explained WHY the Island of Gades/Cadiz is shown on a distinctly separate and large landmass that IS NEITHER Spain nor Africa. 

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docyabut2
2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Try again: 

Which means EVERYONE still on Atlantis at that point perished. But then, you do like making things up, don't you? 

cormac

After viewing both films, Plato's writings,  and  Georgeos Díaz-Montexano  `s findings.  I`m so more convinced that Atlantis is in the Tartesso area.

Beyond the pillars of Hercules

Facing a country called Gades

The mountains surrounding the country call Atlantis, that had the ten kings cities

 A Poseidon temple. Maybe there was a Poseidon temple on the little island in the Donana park

I kind of believe the Athens warriors attacked the country Atlantis in their ships, when a violent earthquake and a tusumi hit them, destroyed the temple.

 Like the story said  Zeus only punished them.  

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cormac mac airt
1 minute ago, docyabut2 said:

After viewing both films, Plato's writings,  and  Georgeos Díaz-Montexano  `s findings.  I`m so more convinced that Atlantis is in the Tartesso area.

Beyond the pillars of Hercules

Facing a country called Gades

The mountains surrounding the country call Atlantis, that had the ten kings cities

 A Poseidon temple. Maybe there was a Poseidon temple on the little island in the Donana park

I kind of believe the Athens warriors attacked the country Atlantis in their ships, when a violent earthquake and a tusumi hit them, destroyed the temple.

 Like the story said  Zeus only punished them.  

You pretty much disregard Plato in favor of what you want to be true. Yes, we know. 

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docyabut2
4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

And ignored by you as you've STILL not explained WHY the Island of Gades/Cadiz is shown on a distinctly separate and large landmass that IS NEITHER Spain nor Africa. 

cormac

so explained why was Gades/Cadiz is anywhere else in the story  ?

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cormac mac airt
14 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

so explained why was Gades/Cadiz is anywhere else in the story  ?

The map you fawn over is BS and Plato discusses the portion of the island of Atlantis  “facing” Gades/Cadiz though not “on” the same continent, which means he knew Gades/Cadiz was part of the Iberian peninsula. 

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docyabut2
29 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

The map you fawn over is BS and Plato discusses the portion of the island of Atlantis  “facing” Gades/Cadiz though not “on” the same continent, which means he knew Gades/Cadiz was part of the Iberian peninsula. 

cormac

no comac that any island of Atlantis  was off Spain, it  only describes diver islands off Spain

 

  And of the fifth pair he gave to the elder the name of Azaes, and to the younger that of Diaprepes. All these and their descendants for many generations were the inhabitants and rulers of divers islands in the open sea

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

those are the Azores islands off Spain only the rulers

 

 

ZE_Azores__Canary_Islands.jpg

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cormac mac airt
14 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

no comac that any island of Atlantis  was off Spain, it  only describes diver islands off Spain

 

  And of the fifth pair he gave to the elder the name of Azaes, and to the younger that of Diaprepes. All these and their descendants for many generations were the inhabitants and rulers of divers islands in the open sea

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

those are the Azores islands off Spain

 

 

ZE_Azores__Canary_Islands.jpg

You’ve lost any smidgeon of credibility you might have had. Congratulations. 

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As to the population, each of the lots in the plain had to find a leader for the men who were fit for military service, and the size of a lot was a square of ten stadia each way, and the total number of all the lots was sixty thousand. And of the inhabitants of the mountains and of the rest of the country there was also a vast multitude, which was distributed among the lots and had leaders assigned to them according to their districts and villages. The leader was required to furnish for the war the sixth portion of a war-chariot, so as to make up a total of ten thousand chariots; also two horses and riders for them, and a pair of chariot-horses without a seat, accompanied by a horseman who could fight on foot carrying a small shield, and having a charioteer who stood behind the man-at-arms to guide the two horses; also, he was bound to furnish two heavy armed soldiers, two slingers, three stone-shooters and three javelin-men, who were light-armed, and four sailors to make up the complement of twelve hundred ships. Such was the military order of the royal city-the order of the other nine governments varied, and it would be wearisome to recount their several differences.
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

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jmccr8
13 hours ago, Pettytalk said:

Who made you judge of reality?

Hey Pettytalk

So your back posting, well I would tend to support the idea that we are all responsible for how reality is interpreted and the more individuals that see aspects/circumstances/etc express the greatest potential for what reality is at that specific time and those specific circumstances. How they came to agree is the basis from which we proceed.

13 hours ago, Pettytalk said:

Anyway, reality can only be grasped with the mind's eye, as it is not visible to the material eye.

Does the mind's eye exist  or experience existing in the physical world and yet it is from the physical world that one looks in from, the mind's eye does not experience pain as it is a construct so if the building is on fire why not just jump out that 17th-floor window everything is just a construct even ourselves so it's just a reboot right.

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jmccr8
5 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Beyond the pillars of Hercules

Hi Docyabut2

 Love you but I think we are well past the pillars of sanity here.

5 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Facing a country called Gades

Okay, everybody look at Gades we are all facing Gades from different directions as I am south of some latitudes or north and then there is the east/west of to consider, maybe a fixed point of reference would help and we can all stand there and look at Gades together and see, maybe. and then again would holding crystals and chanting help?

5 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

I kind of believe the Athens warriors attacked the country Atlantis in their ships, when a violent earthquake and a tusumi hit them, destroyed the temple.

Wonderful problem solved they had a time travelling navy so that they could go back before they existed to combat people they didn't know existed. Well, that certainly sounds rational to me.:whistle:

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Peter Cox
11 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

After viewing both films, Plato's writings,  and  Georgeos Díaz-Montexano  `s findings.  I`m so more convinced that Atlantis is in the Tartesso area.

Beyond the pillars of Hercules

Facing a country called Gades

The mountains surrounding the country call Atlantis, that had the ten kings cities

 A Poseidon temple. Maybe there was a Poseidon temple on the little island in the Donana park

I kind of believe the Athens warriors attacked the country Atlantis in their ships, when a violent earthquake and a tusumi hit them, destroyed the temple.

 Like the story said  Zeus only punished them.  

   

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Fantastic, now go believe all this else where as you do not listen to reason and keep posting nonsense. 

 

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Peter Cox
7 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

nope Cormac  they all survived")

Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve, 

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. 

Spain is NOT Atlantis, Southern Spain is not Atlantis. No where is Atlantis, if it did exists it was destroyed so it cannot be Spain. This is if it existed and we know it did not, based on the location and size Plato gives it. 

So NO NO NO, you cannot post the same rubbish time and time again and hope eventually we will agree with you.

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atalante
On 3/10/2019 at 1:46 PM, docyabut2 said:

...and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea....

Plato used figurative language here in Tim 25d.   Plato's Greek verb for "disappearing into the sea" was often used to describe the sun, moon and planets "setting" into the horizon, which here is being portrayed as a sea-horizon.  

The point of this statement was that Atlantis (after being "chastised" by Zeus's punishment) could rise again, similar (in a figurative way) to the way the sun moon and planets rise again in the east (after plunging into the horizon in the west).

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Harte
2 hours ago, atalante said:

Plato used figurative language here in Tim 25d.   Plato's Greek verb for "disappearing into the sea" was often used to describe the sun, moon and planets "setting" into the horizon, which here is being portrayed as a sea-horizon.  

The point of this statement was that Atlantis (after being "chastised" by Zeus's punishment) could rise again, similar (in a figurative way) to the way the sun moon and planets rise again in the east (after plunging into the horizon in the west).

Pardon me for trusting Jowett for translations of ancient Greek, rather than yourself.

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jaylemurph
21 hours ago, Swede said:

Clarification please. Are you actually suggesting that during the "Viking Age" (~ AD 800 - 1066), the Iberian peninsula was considered an "island"? And that the Vikings carried their ships across the Pyrenees in order to reach the peninsula?

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I can assure you no such clarification exists and that nobody in Roman times or afterward considered Iberia an island.

I don't know if docy believes the dreck she invents/posts herself, but when she makes **** up out of thin air, as she is doing here, she deserves to be called out for it.

This is bull****. This is a lie. This is untruth, and she is either too ignorant to know the difference, a liar who doesn't care, or too mentally impaired to be able to tell. I don't know which, but she needs to stop peddling this crap and we need to stop letting her do so.

--Jaylemurph 

 

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docyabut2
6 hours ago, atalante said:

Plato used figurative language here in Tim 25d.   Plato's Greek verb for "disappearing into the sea" was often used to describe the sun, moon and planets "setting" into the horizon, which here is being portrayed as a sea-horizon.  

The point of this statement was that Atlantis (after being "chastised" by Zeus's punishment) could rise again, similar (in a figurative way) to the way the sun moon and planets rise again in the east (after plunging into the horizon in the west).

atalante , I`m agreeing with the searchers in the Atlantis Rising Secrets Decoded documentary.:)

Professor Freund points out a big hole in the Donana  park , that might have been a small Poseidon temple buried there, and it looked like this one.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g1064330-d7257976-Reviews-La_Motilla_Del_Azuer-Daimiel_Province_of_Ciudad_Real_Castile_La_Mancha.html#photos;aggregationId=101&albumid=101&filter=7&ff=307752710

 

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Harte

Even Atlantipedia, an often used source for fringers (and an often ridiculed website for skeptics) pans this crockumentary, and, incredibly, finds itself in agreement with Jason Colavito:

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