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Is this Atlantis ... at the coast of Spain?

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Swede
On 3/12/2019 at 5:38 PM, docyabut2 said:

yes and why also ancient people considered it a island :)

Your "understandings" are distinctly incorrect. Merely a brief overview:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings_in_Iberia

Again, do pay attention to timelines and, in this case, the previously established presence of a Muslim culture. Island?

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docyabut2
12 hours ago, Harte said:

Even Atlantipedia, an often used source for fringers (and an often ridiculed website for skeptics) pans this crockumentary, and, incredibly, finds itself in agreement with Jason Colavito:

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Harte

I don`nt think the Atlantians  were Jewish or Muslim cultures , but a  Tartessos  culture. Plato said Atlantis was a empire and Tartessos was the only empire in that area near Gades  

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Tartessos cultural area.

 

 

 

 

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Swede
On 3/13/2019 at 2:57 PM, jaylemurph said:

I can assure you no such clarification exists and that nobody in Roman times or afterward considered Iberia an island.

I don't know if docy believes the dreck she invents/posts herself, but when she makes **** up out of thin air, as she is doing here, she deserves to be called out for it.

This is bull****. This is a lie. This is untruth, and she is either too ignorant to know the difference, a liar who doesn't care, or too mentally impaired to be able to tell. I don't know which, but she needs to stop peddling this crap and we need to stop letting her do so.

--Jaylemurph 

 

Quite so. One of the aspects that is so personally disturbing is that she appears to have no concept of time or timelines, let alone cultures, etc.

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13 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

I don`nt think the Atlantians  were Jewish or Muslim cultures , but a  Tartessos  culture. Plato said Atlantis was a empire and Tartessos was the only empire in that area near Gades  

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Tartessos cultural area.

 

 

 

 

You didn't make that map, Docy, and you need to give due credit to whomever did. The pictures you find on the internet are the works of other people, and they deserve due credit.

Without that, you're stealing. And breaking site rules. I wouldn't just give people here the opportunity to get you banned if I were you.

--Jaylemurph

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docyabut2

Sorry in the Atlantis Rising films it showed a hanukkiah up side down marking on a stone,they think the Atlantians    may have been Jewish.  

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Hanukkah

is why I suggested  Atlantians were not Jewish or Muslim cultures, but a Tartessos cultural area

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos

 

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Trying to find the name of that film , all I know Simcha Jacobovici  in the film  traveled from thera  to spain where Georgeos Diaz  showed him this marking at the end of the film.

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Sorry all, but trying to find that spot in the film called Atlantis- connecting spots.  

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14 hours ago, atalante said:

Atlantis Rising: Secrets Decoded will probably be shown on TV March 25, 2019.   https://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/atlantis-rising-secrets-decoded/1216964/

I believe it was not that film I was viewing, showing that  hanukkiah  up side down marking on a stone.I only commenting on opinions that maybe it was of a Atlantian culture.     

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jaylemurph

Considering the events of Hanukkah happened in the first century CE, it would indeed be remarkable to find a Menorah in ruins from before 500 BCE. 

Do your fictional Atlantans have time travel or are you trying to look foolish deliberately?

—Jaylemurph  

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2 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

Considering the events of Hanukkah happened in the first century CE, it would indeed be remarkable to find a Menorah in ruins from before 500 BCE. 

Do your fictional Atlantans have time travel or are you trying to look foolish deliberately?

—Jaylemurph  

We all know that the Atlanteans were jews, why else would Poseidon and Zeus be in Plato's story............ :rolleyes:

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Swede
11 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Sorry in the Atlantis Rising films it showed a hanukkiah up side down marking on a stone,they think the Atlantians    may have been Jewish.  

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Hanukkah

is why I suggested  Atlantians were not Jewish or Muslim cultures, but a Tartessos cultural area

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos

For heavens sake Docy. TIMELINES. No one is suggesting that the city of Tartessos/Huelva and the surrounding area (not an empire) was associated with Abrahamic religions. The Muslim comment was related to your horribly ill-informed Viking comments.

Considering that archaeological data suggests varying forms of Tartessian activity from ~ 1000 BC to at least the 4rth century BC, this poorly understood culture does not  present a reasonable temporal comparative to Plato's allegory. TIMELINES.

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Harte
42 minutes ago, Swede said:

For heavens sake Docy. TIMELINES. No one is suggesting that the city of Tartessos/Huelva and the surrounding area (not an empire) was associated with Abrahamic religions. The Muslim comment was related to your horribly ill-informed Viking comments.

Actually, one of the crockumentaries from Simcha  Jacobovici stresses that the Jewish tradition stems from Atlantis, and the menorah is merely the rings of Atlantis cut in half.

Another stupid, flailing fail from Simcha.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/83028/lost-city-atlantis-incredible-temple/

Aso:

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http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/the-bible-amended/

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14 minutes ago, Harte said:

Actually, one of the crockumentaries from Simcha  Jacobovici stresses that the Jewish tradition stems from Atlantis, and the menorah is merely the rings of Atlantis cut in half.

Another stupid, flailing fail from Simcha.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/83028/lost-city-atlantis-incredible-temple/

Aso:

image.thumb.png.7844f00907f5d12274389d9f189a1157.png

http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/the-bible-amended/

Harte

Jewish reckoning has it this is the 5779th year of creation.

Plato said Atlantis was 9,000 years ago. 

When is docy informing Israel they're wrong about their own past? I'm sure that would lead to a productive, respectful exchange of ideas. 

--Jaylemurph 

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Swede
59 minutes ago, Harte said:

Actually, one of the crockumentaries from Simcha  Jacobovici stresses that the Jewish tradition stems from Atlantis, and the menorah is merely the rings of Atlantis cut in half.

Another stupid, flailing fail from Simcha.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/83028/lost-city-atlantis-incredible-temple/

Harte

Oh my. Other than dealing with professionally related bureaucratic failings, this level of stupidity is not commonly encountered. By all appearances, Docy's primary reference leaves much to be desired (!). Such fantasies.

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2 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

We all know that the Atlanteans were jews, why else would Poseidon and Zeus be in Plato's story............ :rolleyes:

Did someone mention … Space Jews?

 

 

Kind of long at 11 + minutes. Apologies for any brain hemorrhages induced by this bushwa.

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
32 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Did someone mention … Space Jews?

 

 

Kind of long at 11 + minutes. Apologies for any brain hemorrhages induced by this bushwa.

Have you seen Martymer81's responses to Spirit Science ? Its hilarious.

 

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35 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Have you seen Martymer81's responses to Spirit Science ? Its hilarious.

I am a subscriber to Martymer81's channel. It was because of him that I learned about "spirit Science". Which is, for my money, the most hilarious source of woo-sha I have ever encountered!

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jaylemurph
1 hour ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Did someone mention … Space Jews?

 

 

Kind of long at 11 + minutes. Apologies for any brain hemorrhages induced by this bushwa.

Space Jews? You mean the Vulcabs, right?

—Jaylemurph 

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Harte
2 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

Jewish reckoning has it this is the 5779th year of creation.

Plato said Atlantis was 9,000 years ago. 

When is docy informing Israel they're wrong about their own past? I'm sure that would lead to a productive, respectful exchange of ideas. 

--Jaylemurph 

Simcha is an Israeli living in Canada. You'd think he'd know about this too.

Harte

 

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atalante

Semitic languages have been naming all peninsulas as "islands".  For example, many modern American people do not know that the Arabian peninsula should be called an "island".  https://www.britannica.com/place/Arabia-peninsula-Asia

This common Semitic style of naming was likely to be applied when Phoenicians first discovered the Iberian peninsula (a.k.a. island).  

 

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Harte

Didn't the Phoenicians come somewhat later than the Atlanteans?

Is there a Semitic myth concerning Atlantis?

The term Jazīrat means "island" OR "peninsula," depending on context.

Also, the term "island" was used as it sometimes is today to indicate an isolated group, either physically such as Jazīrat Ibn ʿUmar (a "peninisula" on the Tigris river - not an island) or culturally, which (I suspect) is the usage for the Arabian Peninsula.

You seem to imply that Solon got the wrong Semitic word from his Sais visit, or that the Egyptians got it wrong from the Phoenicians. Have you any trace of either a Phoenician or Egyptian use of this word that means both "island" and "peninsula?"

I see no such double usage in Hebrew, where the term "island" only refers to coastal regions.

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jaylemurph

Harte, it’s perfectly natural that the Phoenicians and Egyptians would struggle adapting fictional languages into their own. 

What language family are fictional languages a  part of anyway, Atlante? 

—Jaylemurph 

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docyabut2

Gee all ,I`m  for  Tartessos and Tarshish of the Bible being Atlantis.

(Is says in the Plato-( Athens temples of Athene and Hephaestus at the summit, which moreover they had enclosed with a single fence like the garden of a single house. On the north side they had dwellings in common and had erected halls for dining in winter, and had all the buildings which they needed for their common life, besides temples, but there was no adorning of them with gold and silver)for they made no use of these for any purpose;)

but in Atlantis they were made in metals.

( All the outside of the temple, with the exception of the pinnacles, they covered with silver, and the pinnacles with gold. In the interior of the temple the roof was of ivory, curiously wrought everywhere with gold and silver and orichalcum; and all the other parts, the walls and pillars and floor, they coated with orichalcum)

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

Tartessos  was rich in silver,a king called king silver and chariot's made with silver all over them

all I saying Athens had no purposes of metals but Atlantis was drowning in it all:lol:

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