Minimalists Posted November 22, 2018 #101 Share Posted November 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, XenoFish said: That or they guilt trip you for not believing. Not everyone who is religious or spiritual is a condescending jerk, but some of them are the worst. Well I figure if I want to burn in some mythological hell it's my choice the way I see it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 22, 2018 #102 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Alien Origins said: Well I figure if I want to burn in some mythological hell it's my choice the way I see it. I don't know. The Christian concept of heaven and hell look the same to me. Forced worship or endless pain forever. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a horrible concept. I find reincarnation to be idiotic. It invokes the idea of infinite suicide. Then you have weird spiritual beliefs in space jesus, etc. Seems like more work that it's worth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted November 23, 2018 #103 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Ladies and Gentlemen, please hold on to your keyboards and mouse cursors, we will be entering the metaphysical realm and do not be alarmed if space jesus denies any dancing with forbidden messages. Snacks and light beverages is not recommended while perusing. ~ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinash Suresh Posted November 23, 2018 #104 Share Posted November 23, 2018 8 hours ago, danydandan said: Can you elaborate on what truths you can't test? Actually, the truths are subjective. What may be true for me, may not be true for you. As I said, philosophical claims are untestable, even if many things are true. Next would be morals and ethics. Historical claims also cannot be tested. All we can do is guess. But since we haven't observed the past, we cannot say for sure what is true. Paranormal experience cannot be tested. Also, it is not what all will experience. It may be true for the person who experienced it, but hearsay for others. Some scientific theories, like String Theory have not been tested. It may be true. In short, if we don't consider the possibility of something being true, we think it is false. But it may actually be true. So something that is untested doesn't imply it is false. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #105 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Avinash Suresh said: Actually, the truths are subjective. What may be true for me, may not be true for you. As I said, philosophical claims are untestable, even if many things are true. Next would be morals and ethics. Historical claims also cannot be tested. All we can do is guess. But since we haven't observed the past, we cannot say for sure what is true. Paranormal experience cannot be tested. Also, it is not what all will experience. It may be true for the person who experienced it, but hearsay for others. Some scientific theories, like String Theory have not been tested. It may be true. In short, if we don't consider the possibility of something being true, we think it is false. But it may actually be true. So something that is untested doesn't imply it is false. No quite the opposite actually. Truths are objective, the truth is the truth regardless of how you or I perceive it. And string theory or rather aspects of it have made numerous predictions, been tested and verified. It's been through the rigour of scientific method, some aspects of it are untestable like multiple universes. String theory has no morphed into M-Theory. Here is a summary I did a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinash Suresh Posted November 23, 2018 #106 Share Posted November 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, danydandan said: No quite the opposite actually. Truths are objective, the truth is the truth regardless of how you or I perceive it. And string theory or rather aspects of it have made numerous predictions, been tested and verified. It's been through the rigour of scientific method, some aspects of it are untestable like multiple universes. String theory has no morphed into M-Theory. Here is a summary I did a while ago. Well, maybe String Theory can be tested. But what about others? Paranormal especially can't be experienced by all. You have to tune yourself to higher vibrations to be able to communicate with spirits. What about channeling? None except the channeler knows what is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 23, 2018 #107 Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Avinash Suresh said: Well, maybe String Theory can be tested. But what about others? Paranormal especially can't be experienced by all. You have to tune yourself to higher vibrations to be able to communicate with spirits. What about channeling? None except the channeler knows what is true. Made up stuff can't be tested because it's made up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinash Suresh Posted November 23, 2018 #108 Share Posted November 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Made up stuff can't be tested because it's made up. What isn't made up? Say that a robber robbed you. Now you go to the police and he says, 'We are not going to nab the thief because we THINK you have made up the story. We want proof of he robbing you. Only then will we look into the matter.' What would you do then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted November 23, 2018 #109 Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Avinash Suresh said: What isn't made up? Say that a robber robbed you. Now you go to the police and he says, 'We are not going to nab the thief because we THINK you have made up the story. We want proof of he robbing you. Only then will we look into the matter.' What would you do then? Come now, you've picked a poor example for an analogy there, if the Police thinks you've made up the story, they need some very good basis backed by solid evidence, other than just mere suspicions. When those suspicions are confirmed, then they will have to charge you with making a false report. Otherwise, when you make a formal report, they have to investigate, that is, if you provided enough leads for them to investigate, other than that, your report will just have to wait until there is more available evidence to satisfy the Courts or a State Prosecutor for an arrest ~ Edited November 23, 2018 by third_eye Law speak fail 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinash Suresh Posted November 23, 2018 #110 Share Posted November 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, third_eye said: Come now, you've picked a poor example for an analogy there, if the Police thinks you've made up the story, they need some very good basis backed by solid evidence, other than just mere suspicions. When those suspicions are confirmed, then they will have to charge you with making a false report. Otherwise, when you make a formal report, they have to investigate, that is, if you provided enough leads for them to investigate, other than that, your report will just have to wait until there is more available evidence to satisfy the Courts or a State Prosecutor for an arrest ~ The point is, they have to investigate the matter. Even if they think that you have made things up, they need to investigate to solve the case. Only after investigations can they have certainty over their suspicions. Claiming that your story is made up and hence cannot be investigated, does not do justice on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted November 23, 2018 #111 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Just now, Avinash Suresh said: The point is, they have to investigate the matter. Even if they think that you have made things up, they need to investigate to solve the case. Only after investigations can they have certainty over their suspicions. Claiming that your story is made up and hence cannot be investigated, does not do justice on the matter. Now you're shifting the sand of your beach front sand castle, If they think that you have made things up, then all they will do is to investigate you and gather evidence of why you are making things up. Justice isn't marked or earmarked according to your arguments. YOu present your arguments and that's where it starts to where it leads, whether it ends up where you wish or wants is not up to you but is totally reliant on the presuppositions raised with your initial hypothesis or speculations ~ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted November 23, 2018 #112 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I wasn't aware that the amount of planets estimated to be suitable to life was now down in the thousands, given the size of the universe. What are these 200 exact parameters that he keeps waffling on about? Sounds like cherry picking and handwaving to me. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted November 23, 2018 #113 Share Posted November 23, 2018 18 hours ago, Avinash Suresh said: Biocentrism is a theory proposed by Dr. Robert Lanza. Btw, who is Gitt? Please be clear. I really do think Dr. Lanza is really on to something. I love science that goes against the grain of the establishment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdohle Posted November 23, 2018 Author #114 Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) Quote danydandan said : Actually to introduce logic into this is a fallacy. I'm a Theist, but an Agnostic one at that. That's the only logical conclusion. 2 Actually, I would say that I agree, however, I would change logical, to scientific, since The God question can't be handled by science, yet can be used to bolster both atheism and theism and a lot in between. I have respect for the agnostic stance, though it drives 'some' atheist crazy, don't know why that is. Edited November 23, 2018 by markdohle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #115 Share Posted November 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Avinash Suresh said: Well, maybe String Theory can be tested. But what about others? Paranormal especially can't be experienced by all. You have to tune yourself to higher vibrations to be able to communicate with spirits. What about channeling? None except the channeler knows what is true. All that paranormal stuff has failed any and every test conducted with scientific rigour. One explanation a certain user here likes to make is that ghost or spirts know. What the hell is channelling? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 23, 2018 #116 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, danydandan said: What the hell is channelling? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediumship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted November 23, 2018 #117 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Let's rouse things up a bit .... ~ Unexplained: Helen Duncan The Blitz Witch (Paranormal Investigation Documentary) | Timeline - YouTube [00.48:09] ~ Quote ~ Helen Duncan - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Duncan Jump to Repeal of the Witchcraft Act - In 1944, Duncan was one of the last people convicted under the Witchcraft Act 1735, which made falsely claiming to ... Early life · Practising medium · HMS Barham sinking · Legacy ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #118 Share Posted November 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, XenoFish said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediumship You mean the crap Harry Houdini debunked, and was perfected by Derek Acorah? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 23, 2018 #119 Share Posted November 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, danydandan said: You mean the crap Harry Houdini debunked, and was perfected by Derek Acorah? Yep. The more you dig into the paranormal and supernatural the less substance to it there is. The more people use it the fill in the blanks. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted November 23, 2018 #120 Share Posted November 23, 2018 On 22/11/2018 at 4:54 AM, Guyver said: Good. Because the universe making itself makes no sense whatsoever when you think about it. Mathematically it does, and math is the language of science and of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #121 Share Posted November 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Yep. The more you dig into the paranormal and supernatural the less substance to it there is. The more people use it the fill in the blanks. I want to learn how to cold read and then tell people afterwards that is what I did. Do you have Netflix? You should watch Darren Brown: Miracle. It's incredible. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted November 23, 2018 #122 Share Posted November 23, 2018 23 hours ago, Avinash Suresh said: The problem comes with the conception of God. God for me, is the source of the universe. It is the fabric that binds all that is together. God is not, some human-like figure in the heavens waving his wand for Good and Evil, as most religions might get you to think. God has no gender. He is no human. Yet, he is within all. God is Light. Not just any light, but that light through which everything manifested. Now if you don't like this, that's absolutely fine. But if you are interested, start by reading Kingdom of God is within you by Leo Tolstoy. Also, research the children of the law of one. It is important to experience things to learn. Instead of saying only Science is right or only God is right, why can't they both be right? I've found that both paths lead to the same principle of Oneness. I mean no disrespect, but that is just your own homebrewed fantasy, to fulfill your own personal need for sense in life. There are hundreds of God-interpretations, and they all claim to be the one true faith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #123 Share Posted November 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: I mean no disrespect, but that is just your own homebrewed fantasy, to fulfill your own personal need for sense in life. There are hundreds of God-interpretations, and they all claim to be the one true faith. Myfantasyisbetterthanyourfantasyism. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted November 23, 2018 #124 Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 hour ago, danydandan said: You mean the crap Harry Houdini debunked, and was perfected by Derek Acorah? Ah Derek Acorah. Time to mention the obligatory "Mary loves Dick!" Sorry. I thought it was par for the course when his name is mentioned As you were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted November 23, 2018 #125 Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, danydandan said: All that paranormal stuff has failed any and every test conducted with scientific rigour. One explanation a certain user here likes to make is that ghost or spirts know. What the hell is channelling? This is channeled information and I would say very informative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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