zep73 Posted November 23, 2018 #151 Share Posted November 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Guyver said: yet it’s not understood. That makes it an unknown variable It is fully understood. We know exactly how much there is, and how it behaves and interacts. We just haven't made a direct physical detection. We hope that will change very soon, when our Milky Way collides with a neighbor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #152 Share Posted November 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: It is fully understood. We know exactly how much there is, and how it behaves and interacts. We just haven't made a direct physical detection. We hope that will change very soon, when our Milky Way collides with a neighbor. Agreed, it's not really an unknown variable because of what you just said. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted November 23, 2018 #153 Share Posted November 23, 2018 49 minutes ago, danydandan said: there is no place for bringing your beliefs (no matter what they are) into any scientific research. Science must be unbiased. Agree, but he wasn't doing that (it wasn't what I referred to). He used science as a thing to attack, like some scientists attack religion. Religion hates being attacked, because it is the highest holiest truth, but science loves it, because we can then get rid of bad ideas. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted November 23, 2018 #154 Share Posted November 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, Guyver said: Well, I guess that depends upon your perception of time. As far as I know time does not actually exist. Everything in the past, present and future are all happening at the same moment it is just that we are conscious and focused on this present moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarMountainKid Posted November 23, 2018 #155 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I'm wondering how consciousness plays a part in all this. We only know what we are conscious of, in science and in religion. So our conscious mind determines our knowledge. I'm wondering if the limits of human consciousness is the real roadblock to a more complete understanding of the nature of reality. To the question here of God and science. I think our consciousness is an untapped element. We speak of knowledge of science and of religion or of God, but knowledge is separate from consciousness. In Buddhism, the conscious mind is the key to understanding. Perhaps mind itself, not knowledge, is capable of some understanding knowledge cannot reach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted November 23, 2018 #156 Share Posted November 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, XenoFish said: It's the inevitable. Nothing we do matters. Life is nothing more than consumption, reproduction, and death. In this 3rd dimensional reality but I do suggest there are many dimensions and an infinite number of realities our consciousness can participate in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted November 23, 2018 #157 Share Posted November 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: It is fully understood. We know exactly how much there is, and how it behaves and interacts. We just haven't made a direct physical detection. We hope that will change very soon, when our Milky Way collides with a neighbor. IDK, it seems to me that not having a direct physical interaction with it means we don’t know what it is. Not only that, I don’t agree that we know exactly how much of it there is, and that we understand how it interacts. My understanding is that our knowledge of it is in its infancy and that all theories related to it are based on computer models. These, as you know, change as variables change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #158 Share Posted November 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: As far as I know time does not actually exist. Everything in the past, present and future are all happening at the same moment it is just that we are conscious and focused on this present moment. Rather than go over this again in a new thread can I direct you to this thread in the science section. If you read on from that comment I give a good explanation on time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted November 23, 2018 #159 Share Posted November 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: As far as I know time does not actually exist. Everything in the past, present and future are all happening at the same moment it is just that we are conscious and focused on this present moment. I’m certainly open to considering the possibilities of what it is. According to Einstein, it’s actually part of the fabric of the universe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted November 23, 2018 #160 Share Posted November 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, StarMountainKid said: I'm wondering how consciousness plays a part in all this. We only know what we are conscious of, in science and in religion. So our conscious mind determines our knowledge. I'm wondering if the limits of human consciousness is the real roadblock to a more complete understanding of the nature of reality. To the question here of God and science. I think our consciousness is an untapped element. We speak of knowledge of science and of religion or of God, but knowledge is separate from consciousness. In Buddhism, the conscious mind is the key to understanding. Perhaps mind itself, not knowledge, is capable of some understanding knowledge cannot reach. And that is the matrix we are faced with and the veil of forgetfulness. What and who in fact are we really? Are we just a human body that is conscious or consciousness experiencing a human body? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted November 23, 2018 #161 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, danydandan said: Rather than go over this again in a new thread can I direct you to this thread in the science section. If you read on from that comment I give a good explanation on time. Thanks for sharing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #162 Share Posted November 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: Agree, but he wasn't doing that (it wasn't what I referred to). He used science as a thing to attack, like some scientists attack religion. Religion hates being attacked, because it is the highest holiest truth, but science loves it, because we can then get rid of bad ideas. I don't think Guyver is like that. He doesn't attack things because they are scientific. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #163 Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Truthseeker007 said: Thanks for sharing. Your very welcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted November 23, 2018 #164 Share Posted November 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Guyver said: I’m certainly open to considering the possibilities of what it is. According to Einstein, it’s actually part of the fabric of the universe. We do know the sun goes up and down every day on this Earth and it becomes day and night. The reality is though that the sun is always shining so we get the illusion at night that it stops. So we certainly do get a perception of an illusion of time living on this Earth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted November 23, 2018 #165 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, danydandan said: I don't think Guyver is like that. It wasn't him, it was Avinash Suresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted November 23, 2018 #166 Share Posted November 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, danydandan said: Agreed, it's not really an unknown variable because of what you just said. Disagreed. If you look it up you’ll see that dark matter is a hypothetical type of matter that is only theoretically assumed to exist because of large scale motion in the universe. It can be observed or detected by us at this time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 23, 2018 #167 Share Posted November 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: In this 3rd dimensional reality but I do suggest there are many dimensions and an infinite number of realities our consciousness can participate in. There is no evidence of this and even if there were that doesn't matter at all. In the end entropy wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted November 23, 2018 #168 Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: We do know the sun goes up and down every day on this Earth and it becomes day and night. The reality is though that the sun is always shining so we get the illusion at night that it stops. So we certainly do get a perception of an illusion of time living on this Earth. Yes. From our perspective, the only time we can experience is the present moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted November 23, 2018 #169 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: There is no evidence of this and even if there were that doesn't matter at all. In the end entropy wins. Do you not go into another reality when you sleep at night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #170 Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Guyver said: Disagreed. If you look it up you’ll see that dark matter is a hypothetical type of matter that is only theoretically assumed to exist because of large scale motion in the universe. It can be observed or detected by us at this time. I was talking about it as purely mathematical. Mathematically it's not an unknown variable it's pretty well accounted for actually. Considering it's taken into account for many many predictions that have been verified. Edited November 23, 2018 by danydandan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 23, 2018 #171 Share Posted November 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: It wasn't him, it was Avinash Suresh. When someone is expecting you to go read a book to discuss something with them it's annoying. "Oh yeah wait there for two days I'll purchase the book you said I should read and I'll discuss it with you then after I'm done with it." Why not just give me a little paragraph on what your talking about. Has anyone read a book on Biocentrism? Not the philosophical argument, apparently it's a biological Theory of Everything that has exactly zero peer reviewed academic papers on the topic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted November 23, 2018 #172 Share Posted November 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: We do know the sun goes up and down every day on this Earth and it becomes day and night. the sun does not go up and down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted November 23, 2018 #173 Share Posted November 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, danydandan said: When someone is expecting you to go read a book to discuss something with them it's annoying. "Oh yeah wait there for two days I'll purchase the book you said I should read and I'll discuss it with you then after I'm done with it." Why not just give me a little paragraph on what your talking about. Has anyone read a book on Biocentrism? Not the philosophical argument, apparently it's a biological Theory of Everything that has exactly zero peer reviewed academic papers on the topic. I just filter that as noise. You have to make your own arguments in a forum. I try hard to do that myself, but it's not always easy. I'm still looking for the video about time, where the laser malfunctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted November 23, 2018 #174 Share Posted November 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, Guyver said: That’s like going for the low hanging fruit, IMO I don't understand the analogy there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 23, 2018 #175 Share Posted November 23, 2018 35 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: Do you not go into another reality when you sleep at night? Dreams are not "another reality". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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