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God and science

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Minimalists
19 hours ago, Guyver said:

Well, I guess that depends upon your perception of time.

That perception of time will not be in our life time...The Sun at some point is going to die and likely as said swallow the Earth...At that point no god is going to save any of us, but then again they estimate that the Sun won't die for another 3.5 billion years so all this maybe moot.  

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Rlyeh
8 hours ago, NewAge1 said:

Gnosis is based not in the understanding of the mind, but in the sensibility of the heart. In it's ancient form, it was concerned with a radical dualism that envisioned an Alien God who's transcendent to this Universe. Over and against many gods and godesses who are believed to reside in and to exercise a measure of control over the world we live in. The transcendent God (also called Spirit) is revealed throught fragments of light that exist in human beings and that form a bridge between the world and the dwelling place of the Most High. Who's realm is beyond the cosmos or any part of it that we are capable of exploring by rational, or scientific means. Only through revelation or to use a contemporary term, intuition, it is possible for us to gain access to gnosis. Thus it may be called: inner wisdom.

It's called imagination.  Gnosis is another attempt of making up stories why the universe isn't how you want it to be.

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Rlyeh
8 hours ago, Clockwork_Spirit said:

Tell that to the hardcore atheists here who claim that science ''disproves God''.

If they're talking about Yahweh they're not that wrong.

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Truthseeker007
2 hours ago, Avinash Suresh said:

Dreaming while awake is called lucid dreaming. You are aware of what's happening, but your body is at rest. In lucid dreaming, you are in control of your dreams. In this case, you are semi-conscious.

However if you are dreaming when doing something, it's called day dreaming. This is the term commonly used, but I prefer calling it visualization.In this case, you are conscious of your body. 

But it also happens that you are conscious of your body, are focused in your work and still get dreamlike images. These are called 'insights'.

Yes I know all of this and thanks for describing. I have actually. Also some very good meditations can put you in another world.

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Truthseeker007
1 hour ago, Alien Origins said:

That perception of time will not be in our life time...The Sun at some point is going to die and likely as said swallow the Earth...At that point no god is going to save any of us, but then again they estimate that the Sun won't die for another 3.5 billion years so all this maybe moot.  

There is also 200 billion other suns just in this universe alone.

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56 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

It's called imagination.  Gnosis is another attempt of making up stories why the universe isn't how you want it to be.

Doesn't imagination create? Who is to say they somethings imagination didn't create us?

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Guyver
9 hours ago, danydandan said:

A word associated with a nearly undescribable feeling.

And yet, there are many who consider love to be action, not a feeling.  Perhaps love is so frequently used in the context of physical attraction or eros, it’s meaning gets conflated.  That love is a good kind of love, for sure....but take Old Yeller sacrificing himself to save his boy.  That has nothing to do with eros, and everything to do with selfless care for another.

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Guyver
10 hours ago, danydandan said:

Not real, all reality is, is a mass consensus of subjective observations. Or is it?

Plus life is only as meaningful or as meaningless as you make it. 

On the first point.....it would appear so, yes.  Yet, there could be more to it.  The “collective soul” if you will.  What that is or what extent it intercepts reality as we understand it, IDK.

On the last point, I agree.  But, that does show life has meaning, IMO.  It seems as plain as day.  Life has the meaning we give it.  So again, that is one clear proof that life is not meaningless.  We are certainly not meaningless and it seems to me that everything is connected in some way.  If so, then wouldn’t that indicate that nothing is without meaning?

So, it really can’t be said that the universe is without meaning when beings such as we ourselves experience that which is meaningful and contemplate its cause or reason for being.

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Guyver

PS to Dan.  I agree with your point that our own beliefs, opinions, and biases should be kept out of pure science.  Absolutely.

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Rlyeh
19 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said:

Doesn't imagination create? Who is to say they somethings imagination didn't create us?

Create fiction?

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Truthseeker007
14 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

Create fiction?

Isn't everything fiction?

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Rlyeh
9 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said:

Isn't everything fiction?

Fiction is something untrue so no everything isn't fiction.

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Just now, Rlyeh said:

Fiction is something untrue so no everything isn't fiction.

How do you know your not fiction living in a fictional world?

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Rlyeh
Just now, Truthseeker007 said:

How do you know your not fiction living in a fictional world?

Really? The fact you're asking this shows I'm not fictional.

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Truthseeker007
2 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

Really? The fact you're asking this shows I'm not fictional.

If we are in a fictional world created by imagination then you are fictional also. If an entity had A.I. in a video game it wouldn't know it was created and fictional. It will believe it is real living in a real world. It is very possible we are in a simulation of some kind.

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Rlyeh
Just now, Truthseeker007 said:

If we are in a fictional world created by imagination then you are fictional also. If an entity had A.I. in a video game it wouldn't know it was created and fictional. It will believe it is real living in a real world. It is very possible we are in a simulation of some kind.

If we were fictional we would not do or experience anything.

If an AI exists in a video game regardless of what it believes it would not be fictional.  If we are in a simulation we aren't fictional either.

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Minimalists
1 hour ago, Truthseeker007 said:

There is also 200 billion other suns just in this universe alone.

Those are irrelevant to the Earth....Without the Sun we all die and everything on Earth goes with us.

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danydandan
23 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said:

If we are in a fictional world created by imagination then you are fictional also. If an entity had A.I. in a video game it wouldn't know it was created and fictional. It will believe it is real living in a real world. It is very possible we are in a simulation of some kind.

@sci-nerd you have like minded fella.

 

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Avinash Suresh
50 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said:

Isn't everything fiction?

Nothing, except the soul is real.

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danydandan

Believing in something doesn't make it true.

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third_eye

Fiction is overrated ... friction is underrated ...

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Truthseeker007
32 minutes ago, Alien Origins said:

Those are irrelevant to the Earth....Without the Sun we all die and everything on Earth goes with us.

Yes your body will die but will your consciousness which can explore those 200 billion other suns?

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Truthseeker007
47 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

If we were fictional we would not do or experience anything.

If an AI exists in a video game regardless of what it believes it would not be fictional.  If we are in a simulation we aren't fictional either.

So what do you conclude is the point of experiencing anything if once you die you cease to exist? 

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Rlyeh
3 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said:

Yes your body will die but will your consciousness which can explore those 200 billion other suns?

What's preventing your consciousness from exploring them now?

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Rlyeh
1 minute ago, Truthseeker007 said:

So what do you conclude is the point of experiencing anything if once you die you cease to exist? 

To aid you when you're alive.

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