Hawkins Posted December 21, 2018 #101 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) On 11/26/2018 at 12:48 AM, Probe said: Did God or the Universe come first? I actually have a scientific curiosity. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (heavens is a plural) In terms of modelling our reality scientifically, is our universe a 3D space + time, or multiple spaces interacting with each other + time. Any input from those specialize in cosmo science or relativity or quantum physics? To ask alternatively, is it possible that our universe or some part of it (especially surrounding earth) is not a simple 3D space but a mixture of multiple spaces interacting with each other? Edited December 21, 2018 by Hawkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted December 22, 2018 #102 Share Posted December 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Hawkins said: I actually have a scientific curiosity. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (heavens is a plural) In terms of modelling our reality scientifically, is our universe a 3D space + time, or multiple spaces interacting with each other + time. Any input from those specialize in cosmo science or relativity or quantum physics? To ask alternatively, is it possible that our universe or some part of it (especially surrounding earth) is not a simple 3D space but a mixture of multiple spaces interacting with each other? I dabble, so I can’t claim to specialize. And don’t want to. Anyway, the universe exists in more than three dimensions; this can be shown with mathematics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted December 22, 2018 #103 Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 4:01 AM, XenoFish said: If god existed first where did god come from? If the universe came first how does god fit into it? Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted December 22, 2018 #104 Share Posted December 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, 029b10 said: Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? the previous universe.. the big bang is the result of the previous universe collapsing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted December 22, 2018 #105 Share Posted December 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Hawkins said: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (heavens is a plural) Yes, it can be plural but it doesn't always have to be plural. Thus, in Genesis 1:8 the copyrighted Bibles don't refer unto the heaven as skies, but rather in the singular sky. So if the term heaven was always plural then why don't they call the firmament in the plural? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted December 22, 2018 #106 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Dejarma said: the previous universe.. the big bang is the result of the previous universe collapsing? A good answer but yet it is known and observed that nothing in the universe is eternal, therefore it must have had a beginning at some point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted December 22, 2018 #107 Share Posted December 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, 029b10 said: Yes, it can be plural but it doesn't always have to be plural. or true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted December 22, 2018 #108 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, 029b10 said: A good answer but yet it is known and observed that nothing in the universe is eternal, therefore it must have had a beginning at some point... who told you that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted December 22, 2018 #109 Share Posted December 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, 029b10 said: Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? A change of state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted December 22, 2018 #110 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, 029b10 said: Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? The Universe is the result of a disastrous fall of a Divine Being, Sophia (or Wisdom) in this upper world. As a result, humankind has become entrapped in the earthly condition of oblivion and death, from which it is saved by the revelation of gnosis, by one or more heavenly messengers. Edited December 22, 2018 by NewAge1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted December 22, 2018 #111 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 hour ago, 029b10 said: A good answer but yet it is known and observed that nothing in the universe is eternal, therefore it must have had a beginning at some point... Ever hear of Cyclic Universe Model? It's becoming more accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godnodog Posted December 22, 2018 #112 Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 7:44 AM, third_eye said: Oh I do hope no one brings up the Alpha and Omega ... ~ Fine, how about Beta? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 22, 2018 #113 Share Posted December 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, godnodog said: Fine, how about Beta? Free download ? Do I have to register as a Beta tester ? ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted December 22, 2018 #114 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dejarma said: who told you that? The principle of eternal; Has always existed, and doesn't change in nature or form. (Note: eternal only refers to living things.) Edited December 22, 2018 by 029b10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted December 22, 2018 #115 Share Posted December 22, 2018 2 hours ago, danydandan said: Ever hear of Cyclic Universe Model? It's becoming more accepted. Pipe dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
029b10 Posted December 22, 2018 #116 Share Posted December 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Dejarma said: or true The term heaven in Genesis 1:1 merely refers to the expanse which we call outer space. The term heaven in Geneis 1:8 merely refers to the expanse which which call the atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 22, 2018 #117 Share Posted December 22, 2018 I sense a strong belief perseverance in this thread. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 22, 2018 #118 Share Posted December 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, 029b10 said: The principle of eternal; Has always existed, and doesn't change in nature or form. (Note: eternal only refers to living things.) And you have proof, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 22, 2018 #119 Share Posted December 22, 2018 3 hours ago, NewAge1 said: The Universe is the result of a disastrous fall of a Divine Being, Sophia (or Wisdom) in this upper world. As a result, humankind has become entrapped in the earthly condition of oblivion and death, from which it is saved by the revelation of gnosis, by one or more heavenly messengers. I find this fascinating... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted December 22, 2018 #120 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Old World Religion thinking: For the Deity, intending to make this world like the fairest and most perfect of intelligible beings, framed one visible animal comprehending within itself all other animals of a kindred nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted December 23, 2018 #121 Share Posted December 23, 2018 22 hours ago, 029b10 said: Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? Energy cannot be created or destroyed. If the Universe didn't exist...how could God (Energy) create it? Where did the Energy of God come from? It is a pointless Woo discussion. The Universe exists...it is plain to see. The existence of God is not plain to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted December 23, 2018 #122 Share Posted December 23, 2018 22 hours ago, 029b10 said: Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? the previous universe.. imo the big bang is the result of the previous universe collapsing- a cycle that's been going on infinitely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted December 23, 2018 #123 Share Posted December 23, 2018 20 hours ago, XenoFish said: I find this fascinating... The truth of this Universe is horror but this also comes with awe for there is a knowledge of higher realities and that something can be done to rescue the light from the darkness of mere being. There is no reason one can hold awe and horror at the same time, in one's mind. And they are probably overlapping feelings, when you think about it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godnodog Posted December 23, 2018 #124 Share Posted December 23, 2018 22 hours ago, third_eye said: Free download ? Do I have to register as a Beta tester ? ~ sorry, its still in pre-alpha, but we dont speak about alphas and omegas around here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 23, 2018 #125 Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 hours ago, NewAge1 said: The truth of this Universe is horror but this also comes with awe for there is a knowledge of higher realities and that something can be done to rescue the light from the darkness of mere being. There is no reason one can hold awe and horror at the same time, in one's mind. And they are probably overlapping feelings, when you think about it.. Amazing just amazing.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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