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God and Universe

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Hawkins
On 11/26/2018 at 12:48 AM, Probe said:


Did God or the Universe come first?

 

I actually have a scientific curiosity.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (heavens is a plural)

 

In terms of modelling our reality scientifically, is our universe a 3D space + time, or multiple spaces interacting with each other + time.

Any input from those specialize in cosmo science or relativity or quantum physics? 

 

To ask alternatively, is it possible that our universe or some part of it (especially surrounding earth) is not a simple 3D space but a mixture of multiple spaces interacting with each other?

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Guyver
7 hours ago, Hawkins said:

I actually have a scientific curiosity.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (heavens is a plural)

 

In terms of modelling our reality scientifically, is our universe a 3D space + time, or multiple spaces interacting with each other + time.

Any input from those specialize in cosmo science or relativity or quantum physics? 

 

To ask alternatively, is it possible that our universe or some part of it (especially surrounding earth) is not a simple 3D space but a mixture of multiple spaces interacting with each other?

I dabble, so I can’t claim to specialize.  And don’t want to.  Anyway, the universe exists in more than three dimensions; this can be shown with mathematics.

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029b10
On 11/26/2018 at 4:01 AM, XenoFish said:

If god existed first where did god come from? If the universe came first how does god fit into it? 

Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? 

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Dejarma
5 minutes ago, 029b10 said:

Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? 

the previous universe.. the big bang is the result of the previous universe collapsing?

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029b10
11 hours ago, Hawkins said:

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (heavens is a plural)

Yes, it can be plural but it doesn't always have to be plural.  

Thus, in Genesis 1:8 the copyrighted Bibles don't refer unto the heaven as skies, but rather in the singular sky.  So if the term heaven was always plural then why don't they call the firmament in the plural?

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029b10
1 minute ago, Dejarma said:

the previous universe.. the big bang is the result of the previous universe collapsing?

A good answer but yet it is known and observed that nothing in the universe is eternal, therefore it must have had a beginning at some point...

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Dejarma
2 minutes ago, 029b10 said:

Yes, it can be plural but it doesn't always have to be plural.

or true

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Dejarma
1 minute ago, 029b10 said:

A good answer but yet it is known and observed that nothing in the universe is eternal, therefore it must have had a beginning at some point...

who told you that?

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psyche101
23 minutes ago, 029b10 said:

Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? 

A change of state 

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NewAge1
37 minutes ago, 029b10 said:

Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? 

The Universe is the result of a disastrous fall of a Divine Being, Sophia (or Wisdom) in this upper world.

As a result, humankind has become entrapped in the earthly condition of oblivion and death, from which it is saved by the revelation of gnosis, by one or more heavenly messengers.

 

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danydandan
1 hour ago, 029b10 said:

A good answer but yet it is known and observed that nothing in the universe is eternal, therefore it must have had a beginning at some point...

Ever hear of Cyclic Universe Model? It's becoming more accepted.

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godnodog
On 11/26/2018 at 7:44 AM, third_eye said:

Oh I do hope no one brings up the Alpha and Omega ...

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Fine, how about Beta?

 

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third_eye
40 minutes ago, godnodog said:

Fine, how about Beta?

 

Free download ? Do I have to register as a Beta tester ?

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029b10
4 hours ago, Dejarma said:

who told you that?

The principle of eternal;  Has always existed, and doesn't change in nature or form. 

(Note: eternal only refers to living things.)  

 

 

 

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029b10
2 hours ago, danydandan said:

Ever hear of Cyclic Universe Model? It's becoming more accepted.

Pipe dream....

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029b10
4 hours ago, Dejarma said:

or true

The term heaven in Genesis 1:1 merely refers to the expanse which we call outer space.

The term heaven in Geneis 1:8 merely refers to the expanse which which call the atmosphere. 

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XenoFish

I sense a strong belief perseverance in this thread.

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XenoFish
24 minutes ago, 029b10 said:

The principle of eternal;  Has always existed, and doesn't change in nature or form. 

(Note: eternal only refers to living things.)  

 

 

 

And you have proof, right? 

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XenoFish
3 hours ago, NewAge1 said:

The Universe is the result of a disastrous fall of a Divine Being, Sophia (or Wisdom) in this upper world.

As a result, humankind has become entrapped in the earthly condition of oblivion and death, from which it is saved by the revelation of gnosis, by one or more heavenly messengers.

 

I find this fascinating...

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Pettytalk

Old World Religion thinking: For the Deity, intending to make this world like the fairest and most perfect of intelligible beings, framed one visible animal comprehending within itself all other animals of a kindred nature.

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joc
22 hours ago, 029b10 said:

Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? 

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

If the Universe didn't exist...how could God (Energy) create it?  Where did the Energy of God come from?  It is a pointless Woo discussion.  The Universe exists...it is plain to see.  The existence of God is not plain to see.

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Dejarma
22 hours ago, 029b10 said:

Well, if the universe existed first, then where did the universe come from? 

the previous universe.. imo the big bang is the result of the previous universe collapsing- a cycle that's been going on infinitely 

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NewAge1
20 hours ago, XenoFish said:

I find this fascinating...

The truth of this Universe is horror but this also comes with awe for there is a knowledge of higher realities and that something can be done to rescue the light from the darkness of mere being. There is no reason one can hold awe and horror at the same time, in one's mind. And they are probably overlapping feelings, when you think about it..

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godnodog
22 hours ago, third_eye said:

Free download ? Do I have to register as a Beta tester ?

~

sorry, its still in pre-alpha, but we dont speak about alphas and omegas around here

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XenoFish
3 hours ago, NewAge1 said:

The truth of this Universe is horror but this also comes with awe for there is a knowledge of higher realities and that something can be done to rescue the light from the darkness of mere being. There is no reason one can hold awe and horror at the same time, in one's mind. And they are probably overlapping feelings, when you think about it..

Amazing just amazing....

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