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badeskov

One thing I have a hard time understanding is the continuous "resurrection" of Lazar. I mean, his lack of knowledge of even basic physics/chemistry and the educational/workplace holes in his story are glaringly obvious. 

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Truthseeker007
12 hours ago, badeskov said:

Who would “they” be?

Off topic but you asked.

Government trolls use psychology-based influence techniques in social media.

https://www.straight.com/news/482846/government-trolls-use-psychology-based-influence-techniques-social-media

Thanks to Edward Snowden, we now have solid proof that paid government trolls are using “psychology-based influence techniques” on social media websites such as YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. Documents leaked by Snowden also reveal that government agents have been conducting denial-of-service attacks, flooding social media websites with thinly veiled propaganda, and have been purposely attempting to warp public discourse online. If we do not stand up and object to this kind of Orwellian behavior, it is only going to get worse and worse.

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6 hours ago, badeskov said:

One thing I have a hard time understanding is the continuous "resurrection" of Lazar. I mean, his lack of knowledge of even basic physics/chemistry and the educational/workplace holes in his story are glaringly obvious. 

Cheers,
Badeskov

How so? Why do you think he has lack of knowledge?

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Truthseeker007
11 hours ago, Dejarma said:

we can all go on forever with this but in a nutshell:

aliens have never visited this planet & there's no one who can prove otherwise= though many have tried to ;)bless em

That is only your opinion and many believe otherwise and especially the ones that have been abducted.

Not to mention 19 pieces of Non-Human DNA are found In the human genome .

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25 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said:

That is only your opinion and many believe otherwise and especially the ones that have been abducted.

Not to mention 19 pieces of Non-Human DNA are found In the human genome .

Yes, like most life on Earth, our DNA contains fragments of ancient virus

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/ancient-viruses-are-hiding-within-your-dna/

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Ah, such heavy scorn amongst the doubting faithful, for they and only they know the reality of the world today. It's folly to think these deep black programs exist, and no one in their right mind would ever be thinking there are attainable alternative higher forms of propulsion. Why, anything of the sort is technological blasphemy - expect no further massive leaps, for it has already been achieved, and all rumors and wild tall tales should be dismissed immediately and placed into the garbage can of utter nonsense. No need for any dreamers or those with nonsense for brains, for we have all that we will ever need. That's right, take it to the bank. It is savvy, trendy,  and smart to ignore the statements of a Ben Rich for instance, who, before he passed away in 1995, said:
 
Talking with Jim Goodall:  "Jim, we have things out in the desert that are fifty years beyond what you can comprehend. They have about forty-five hundred people at the Lockheed Skunk works. What have they been doing for the last eighteen or twenty years? They’re building something.” 

“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it” (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

It is time to end all secrecy on this, as it no longer poses a national security threat, and make the technology available for use in the private sector”. (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“I wish I could tell you about the projects we are currently working on. They are both fascinating and fantastic. They call for technologies once only dreamed of by science fiction writers”. (source: AIAA lecture Atlanta, Ga. September 7-9 1988)

So of course, it must be cool to trivialize and dismiss such utterances as pure nonsense. Let's not take our best and brightest and get them focused on "next gen" propulsion, its garbage. Let us not be fools, for we already have the technological high ground. Yes, let us wait for the day when the foreign technological inferior rise up and vanquish us in America, the current "strong"......and the balance of power will shift for perhaps forever. Not a comforting thought. Sure, let's wait, no need to rush things. Let us not be aware of advances in technology, like T.Townsend Brown's experiments with anti-grav vehicles beginning in the 30's. But wait...............we actually did sit up and take notice.  After his 2nd demonstration in Hawaii in the early 60's, we did indeed.........and then, his work went "underground" - it became cloaked in secrecy.  Someone, it seems,  was very interested. His work, where high positive voltage is applied to the bow of the craft, and negative to the rear, produced speeds in excess of 200MPH. And that was way back then.  Glad someone was intrigued, as today the B2 bomber is strongly rumored to be anti grav when flying  at altitude. I'm glad a bunch of doubting Thomas's were not present at the time and just snickered at him. And no wonder those B2's cost about $1B apiece - and they can fly so amazingly far. 

So, let's have a little exercise....and go back 55-60 years and think "then" and "now".  

  • Computers then - filled an entire room...now they are portable, and very powerful. 
  • Portable phones - didn't exist, now everyone has them in their pockets
  • TV's - big, bulky, low res Black and white - now thin High Def that hang on your wall.
  • Medical - medical diagnostics was limited and primarily available only in large hospitals, now decentralized and remote as needed.
  • GPS didn't exist, now in your car and on your phone, directing airplanes and missiles with it and tracking drones.
  • Lasers- in their infancy, now they do all kinds of functions.
  • Rockets - chemical then, and chemical now.  
       Ah....what?? It was chemical then.........and chemical now..??  I don't think so. Places like the Lockheed Skunk Works,  Boeing Phantom Works, Sandia Labs, Los Alamos, Dugway Proving Grounds, Area 51/S4, Naval Research Labs, etc.  - these places haven't been sitting idly by while this new high ground is at stake. Make no mistake, they have employed, and are employing thousands of scientists, engineers, and others. I suspect they have taken Townsend Brown's experiments and vastly improved upon them. Bob Lazar isn't an isolated case, he's just one that has talked. So get ready, hopefully we will learn more, maybe much more. In the overall scheme of things, this arena is a classic case of "we don't know what we don't know". It could be anything - and with decades of research and programs going on, at present we probably only know a sliver of reality. 
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badeskov
On 12/8/2018 at 3:19 AM, Truthseeker007 said:

How so? Why do you think he has lack of knowledge?

He pretty much demonstrated that in his initial descriptions not being able to get his math/physics straight. We are talking fairly low-level physics that he managed to bungle up rather effectively.  

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Badeskov

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On 12/8/2018 at 3:06 AM, Truthseeker007 said:

Off topic but you asked.

Government trolls use psychology-based influence techniques in social media.

https://www.straight.com/news/482846/government-trolls-use-psychology-based-influence-techniques-social-media

Thanks to Edward Snowden, we now have solid proof that paid government trolls are using “psychology-based influence techniques” on social media websites such as YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. Documents leaked by Snowden also reveal that government agents have been conducting denial-of-service attacks, flooding social media websites with thinly veiled propaganda, and have been purposely attempting to warp public discourse online. If we do not stand up and object to this kind of Orwellian behavior, it is only going to get worse and worse.

Seriously?!

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On ‎8‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 9:57 PM, Truthseeker007 said:

That is only your opinion and many believe otherwise and especially the ones that have been abducted.

Not to mention 19 pieces of Non-Human DNA are found In the human genome .

Non-Human DNA in Human DNA. Only you could say something that idiotic.

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
On 8/12/2018 at 11:32 PM, Scudbuster said:
Ah, such heavy scorn amongst the doubting faithful, for they and only they know the reality of the world today. It's folly to think these deep black programs exist, and no one in their right mind would ever be thinking there are attainable alternative higher forms of propulsion. Why, anything of the sort is technological blasphemy - expect no further massive leaps, for it has already been achieved, and all rumors and wild tall tales should be dismissed immediately and placed into the garbage can of utter nonsense. No need for any dreamers or those with nonsense for brains, for we have all that we will ever need. That's right, take it to the bank. It is savvy, trendy,  and smart to ignore the statements of a Ben Rich for instance, who, before he passed away in 1995, said:
 
Talking with Jim Goodall:  "Jim, we have things out in the desert that are fifty years beyond what you can comprehend. They have about forty-five hundred people at the Lockheed Skunk works. What have they been doing for the last eighteen or twenty years? They’re building something.” 

“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it” (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

It is time to end all secrecy on this, as it no longer poses a national security threat, and make the technology available for use in the private sector”. (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“I wish I could tell you about the projects we are currently working on. They are both fascinating and fantastic. They call for technologies once only dreamed of by science fiction writers”. (source: AIAA lecture Atlanta, Ga. September 7-9 1988)

So of course, it must be cool to trivialize and dismiss such utterances as pure nonsense. Let's not take our best and brightest and get them focused on "next gen" propulsion, its garbage. Let us not be fools, for we already have the technological high ground. Yes, let us wait for the day when the foreign technological inferior rise up and vanquish us in America, the current "strong"......and the balance of power will shift for perhaps forever. Not a comforting thought. Sure, let's wait, no need to rush things. Let us not be aware of advances in technology, like T.Townsend Brown's experiments with anti-grav vehicles beginning in the 30's. But wait...............we actually did sit up and take notice.  After his 2nd demonstration in Hawaii in the early 60's, we did indeed.........and then, his work went "underground" - it became cloaked in secrecy.  Someone, it seems,  was very interested. His work, where high positive voltage is applied to the bow of the craft, and negative to the rear, produced speeds in excess of 200MPH. And that was way back then.  Glad someone was intrigued, as today the B2 bomber is strongly rumored to be anti grav when flying  at altitude. I'm glad a bunch of doubting Thomas's were not present at the time and just snickered at him. And no wonder those B2's cost about $1B apiece - and they can fly so amazingly far. 

So, let's have a little exercise....and go back 55-60 years and think "then" and "now".  

  • Computers then - filled an entire room...now they are portable, and very powerful. 
  • Portable phones - didn't exist, now everyone has them in their pockets
  • TV's - big, bulky, low res Black and white - now thin High Def that hang on your wall.
  • Medical - medical diagnostics was limited and primarily available only in large hospitals, now decentralized and remote as needed.
  • GPS didn't exist, now in your car and on your phone, directing airplanes and missiles with it and tracking drones.
  • Lasers- in their infancy, now they do all kinds of functions.
  • Rockets - chemical then, and chemical now.  
       Ah....what?? It was chemical then.........and chemical now..??  I don't think so. Places like the Lockheed Skunk Works,  Boeing Phantom Works, Sandia Labs, Los Alamos, Dugway Proving Grounds, Area 51/S4, Naval Research Labs, etc.  - these places haven't been sitting idly by while this new high ground is at stake. Make no mistake, they have employed, and are employing thousands of scientists, engineers, and others. I suspect they have taken Townsend Brown's experiments and vastly improved upon them. Bob Lazar isn't an isolated case, he's just one that has talked. So get ready, hopefully we will learn more, maybe much more. In the overall scheme of things, this arena is a classic case of "we don't know what we don't know". It could be anything - and with decades of research and programs going on, at present we probably only know a sliver of reality. 

I'm sure there is technology that haven't been released yet, I don't think anyone is disputing that. All of the examples you use are well within what the laws of physics allow.

What lazar claims are not !

The best example of how he works is element 115. He claimed that it was stable and allowed anti gravity, which was an easy claim to make back when he did and element 115 had not been discovered. Unfortunately for him it have since been discovered, its named Moscovium, and it have none of those properties. The longest lasting isotope of Moscovium have a half life of 0,8 seconds. He made up a story and reality showed it was bogus. Why believe a person that is a proven liar ?

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Nnicolette
On 12/7/2018 at 4:20 PM, Dejarma said:

we can all go on forever with this but in a nutshell:

aliens have never visited this planet & there's no one who can prove otherwise= though many have tried to ;)bless em

I don't know I went on an airship once and I saw what looked like a hideous alien but I was still never fully convinced that this shadow government or whatever wasn't the real culprit. What I do know is they had some exotic technology that our government holds some of the patents for. Not everyone who is a witness really cares about what you think tho tbh. I've shared my story here a bit more for the personal ease of mind but I highly doubt that most people would put much effort into trying to convince somebody that doesn't believe them... Your mind is already made up and your opinion just isn't that important. Some of us share just to let it be known, not because we need your attention or approval.

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1 hour ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I'm sure there is technology that haven't been released yet, I don't think anyone is disputing that. All of the examples you use are well within what the laws of physics allow.

What lazar claims are not !

The best example of how he works is element 115. He claimed that it was stable and allowed anti gravity, which was an easy claim to make back when he did and element 115 had not been discovered. Unfortunately for him it have since been discovered, its named Moscovium, and it have none of those properties. The longest lasting isotope of Moscovium have a half life of 0,8 seconds. He made up a story and reality showed it was bogus. Why believe a person that is a proven liar ?

You might be completely correct or you might be overlooking one crucial consideration. Does the lab that didnt know how to make the stable isotope neccessarily know that there isn't any other trick to the production? You know maybe they arent handling it right. Or maybe i should look up who bob lazar is and what he said:lol:

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Omg i just looked up who he is... the guy who told us about area 51. And I have to say you guys are dumb as **** for calling him a liar. Obviously he was right. Morons. :lol:

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Moscovium:(an extremely radioactive element: its most stable known isotope, moscovium-290, has a half-life of only 0.8 seconds.[9] In the periodic table, it is a p-block transactinide element. It is a member of the 7th period and is placed in group 15 as the heaviest pnictogen, although it has not been confirmed to behave as a heavier homologue of the pnictogen bismuth. Moscovium is calculated to have some properties similar to its lighter homologues, nitrogen, phosphorus, arsenic, antimony, and bismuth, and to be a post-transition metal, although it should also show several major differences from them. In particular, moscovium should also have significant similarities to thallium, as both have one rather loosely bound electron outside a quasi-closed shell. About 100 atoms of moscovium have been observed to date, all of which have been shown to have mass numbers from 287 to 290.)

That's interesting isnt bismuth the element that was claimed to make the time travel experiments work? Yes it is so a quick look at it and it has something in common with moscovium, in being the heaviest in its grouping and behaving as if it was in another. Being directly above it on the periodic table they share alot of similarities. Most importantly: 

Moscovium is a post transition metal. This means it forms zintyl phases.  "Zintl phases are a subgroup of brittle, high-melting intermetallic compounds which are diamagnetic or exhibit temperature-independent paramagnetism, and are poor conductors or semiconductors."

so yeah upon a little more review i find it incredibly likely that this element or one of its compounds is the trick to building the ships, given thier capabilities. Not the tiniest bit discounted by public scientists not figuring out how to keep any yet. 

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Dejarma
3 hours ago, Nnicolette said:

Not everyone who is a witness really cares about what you think tho tbh. I've shared my story here a bit more for the personal ease of mind but I highly doubt that most people would put much effort into trying to convince somebody that doesn't believe them... Your mind is already made up and your opinion just isn't that important. Some of us share just to let it be known, not because we need your attention or approval.

my mind may be changed one day- i hope so- if you don't want my attention then why post knowing i'll see it?

i have my opinions on this subject just like everyone else= you moaning at me for my opinions makes you no better - if you don't like what i say then don't read, & definitely don't waste your time replying.. what's the point?:rolleyes:

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Nnicolette
1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

my mind may be changed one day- i hope so- if you don't want my attention then why post knowing i'll see it?

i have my opinions on this subject just like everyone else= you moaning at me for my opinions makes you no better - if you don't like what i say then don't read, & definitely don't waste your time replying.. what's the point?:rolleyes:

Well dude... my world doesnt revolve around you. When i write a post there isnt a part where i consider whether or not dejarma will see it or whether its worth my time posting it if he doesnt. You hardly need to ask me the point because apparently you took the same steps yourself. Im going to say my opinion regardless of who you think is better.

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3 hours ago, Nnicolette said:

Moscovium:(an extremely radioactive element: its most stable known isotope, moscovium-290, has a half-life of only 0.8 seconds.[9] In the periodic table, it is a p-block transactinide element. It is a member of the 7th period and is placed in group 15 as the heaviest pnictogen, although it has not been confirmed to behave as a heavier homologue of the pnictogen bismuth. Moscovium is calculated to have some properties similar to its lighter homologues, nitrogen, phosphorus, arsenic, antimony, and bismuth, and to be a post-transition metal, although it should also show several major differences from them. In particular, moscovium should also have significant similarities to thallium, as both have one rather loosely bound electron outside a quasi-closed shell. About 100 atoms of moscovium have been observed to date, all of which have been shown to have mass numbers from 287 to 290.)

That's interesting isnt bismuth the element that was claimed to make the time travel experiments work? Yes it is so a quick look at it and it has something in common with moscovium, in being the heaviest in its grouping and behaving as if it was in another. Being directly above it on the periodic table they share alot of similarities. Most importantly: 

Moscovium is a post transition metal. This means it forms zintyl phases.  "Zintl phases are a subgroup of brittle, high-melting intermetallic compounds which are diamagnetic or exhibit temperature-independent paramagnetism, and are poor conductors or semiconductors."

so yeah upon a little more review i find it incredibly likely that this element or one of its compounds is the trick to building the ships, given thier capabilities. Not the tiniest bit discounted by public scientists not figuring out how to keep any yet. 

None of what you just posted points to Muscovium having anti gravity properties. In fact we don't even know if there is such a thing as anti gravity at all.

So why do you "find it incredibly likely" based on no evidence ?

Edit: What Lazar presents is anecdote, not evidence.

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Earl.Of.Trumps
1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

my mind may be changed one day

No it won't LOL

1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

- i hope so- if you don't want my attention then why post knowing i'll see it?

Sounds like a familiar argument.;)

1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

i have my opinions on this subject just like everyone else= you moaning at me for my opinions makes you no better - if you don't like what i say then don't read, & definitely don't waste your time replying.. what's the point?:rolleyes:

Absolutely stunning!    Pot.... Kettle... Black :o

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@Noteverythingisaconspiracy    So far, I side with your opinion here. 

I posted some time ago, it's up to Lazar to put up or shut up. 

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46 minutes ago, Nnicolette said:

Well dude... my world doesnt revolve around you. When i write a post there isnt a part where i consider whether or not dejarma will see it or whether its worth my time posting it if he doesnt. You hardly need to ask me the point because apparently you took the same steps yourself. Im going to say my opinion regardless of who you think is better.

hey, you started having a go at me..you're about as interesting to me as i am to you so if you don't like what i say then at least do me the honour of not replying unless you can produce a good rebuttal, as opposed to just whining.. Thanks

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5 hours ago, Nnicolette said:

Omg i just looked up who he is... the guy who told us about area 51. And I have to say you guys are dumb as **** for calling him a liar. Obviously he was right. Morons. :lol:

Seriously? I hope that laugh emoji was meant sarcastically...

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5 hours ago, Nnicolette said:

Moscovium:(an extremely radioactive element: its most stable known isotope, moscovium-290, has a half-life of only 0.8 seconds.[9] In the periodic table, it is a p-block transactinide element. It is a member of the 7th period and is placed in group 15 as the heaviest pnictogen, although it has not been confirmed to behave as a heavier homologue of the pnictogen bismuth. Moscovium is calculated to have some properties similar to its lighter homologues, nitrogen, phosphorus, arsenic, antimony, and bismuth, and to be a post-transition metal, although it should also show several major differences from them. In particular, moscovium should also have significant similarities to thallium, as both have one rather loosely bound electron outside a quasi-closed shell. About 100 atoms of moscovium have been observed to date, all of which have been shown to have mass numbers from 287 to 290.)

Which kills Lazar's claims outright. 

5 hours ago, Nnicolette said:

That's interesting isnt bismuth the element that was claimed to make the time travel experiments work?

Claimed by whom? Anybody with any background in science whatsoever?

5 hours ago, Nnicolette said:

Yes it is so a quick look at it and it has something in common with moscovium, in being the heaviest in its grouping and behaving as if it was in another. Being directly above it on the periodic table they share alot of similarities. Most importantly: 

Moscovium is a post transition metal. This means it forms zintyl phases.  "Zintl phases are a subgroup of brittle, high-melting intermetallic compounds which are diamagnetic or exhibit temperature-independent paramagnetism, and are poor conductors or semiconductors."

so yeah upon a little more review i find it incredibly likely that this element or one of its compounds is the trick to building the ships, given thier capabilities. Not the tiniest bit discounted by public scientists not figuring out how to keep any yet. 

You have to be kidding. An element with a half-life of only 0.8s?! 

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Badeskov

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
1 hour ago, badeskov said:

Seriously? I hope that laugh emoji was meant sarcastically...

Cheers,
Badeskov

She is sadly a full on believer.

Aka landsbytosse. :P

1 hour ago, badeskov said:

Which kills Lazar's claims outright. 

Apparently nothing kills Lazar's claim to some people.

1 hour ago, badeskov said:

Claimed by whom? Anybody with any background in science whatsoever?

Probably someone with a fancy Youtube channel.

1 hour ago, badeskov said:

You have to be kidding. An element with a half-life of only 0.8s?! 

Cheers,
Badeskov

In conspiracy land such things are solved with a simple hardware. Sometimes I wish I could simply ignore facts that are inconvenient to me. :rolleyes:

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3 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

None of what you just posted points to Muscovium having anti gravity properties. In fact we don't even know if there is such a thing as anti gravity at all.

 

Muscovium/Element 115 isn't anti gravity - its a power source. What anti grav is - as pioneered back in the 40's, 50's, 60's, etc by T. Townsend Brown, is the application of voltages in excess of 100KV to the outer hulls of the craft(s). This creates "gravity hills" and "gravity wells" - in other words: propulsion. When Brown demonstrated velocities in excess of 200MPH to his experimental craft, the military really stood up and took notice  -  his work went into the "deep black" after that - they knew this was the future of spaceflight. 

Dr Paul LaViolette has much more on the history of anti-grav technology in this speech:

 

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