AstralHorus Posted January 2, 2019 #226 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, stereologist said: So where did all of this come from? It seems rather disconnected. Let's take the first sentence "You don't need evidence to debunk conventional theories" Facts are needs to support theories. Theories explain facts. The sentence is misleading at best, but more likely suggests a lack of understanding of science. Im still trying to figure out why he’s typing as if he’s whispering to himself in the third person whilst in an old crime noir film. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted January 2, 2019 #227 Share Posted January 2, 2019 50 minutes ago, AstralHorus said: Im still trying to figure out why he’s typing as if he’s whispering to himself in the third person whilst in an old crime noir film. (Or why he puts everything in brackets ?) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted January 2, 2019 #228 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 1:45 PM, gostar said: (You don't need evidence to debunk conventional theories) (Reaction less Drive Principals (all false) Well, you obviously cannot debunk "conventional theories" for very obvious reasons. They have stood their test of time. On 12/31/2018 at 1:45 PM, gostar said: (MASS in its lowest possible state, does not carry a charge, it is inert ............... Mass doesn't have a "lowest state". It just is. On 12/31/2018 at 1:45 PM, gostar said: its not radiation, cosmic waves/radio waves ................... when MASS is in its lowest possible state is exposed other forms of MASS it adopts its variables, as it complexifies itself) (MASS in its lowest possible state is only found in or near black holes, naturally, its not something we could come by) (radiation/radiowaves/isotopes etc. we can come by ............ the experiment you see in the youtube video, puts current into the primary motor, and the current is created or dublicated in two secondary motors, until the charge dissipates ................. i can only guess this is what they are seeing, about 1 WATT of work is performed in the primary motor, and 10 or more WATTS of work is performed in the secondary motor, on the principals of "mass in its lowest state") (you can cut the power, or all power from the primary current/motor, and work in WATTs will still be performed for a degree of time afterwards) You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. On 12/31/2018 at 1:45 PM, gostar said: (MASS related arguments mean nothing, they are not important, not valuable, our sciences are not important or valuable) (that is at best what can be gained from roswell, and its not practical, just a lot of fluff) ............... ............... (light has no effect on gravity ............... the oxymoron (weather gravity "pushes or pulls" depends on the vacuum measurement, that is "dimension zero" (lack of) or "space") .................. (it is a similar argument to "MASS in its lowest state, it adopts relative arguments easily as it complexifies) .................... (gravity when it is "near not present", will mirror the forces observed when it is not present ............ to say that gravity cannot push or pull is one of many easy to debunk science statements from paid trolls) ................... can anything "block" gravity, that is another oxymoron statement................. .............. .............. (Dimension Zero or (space, a perfect vaccum) ... ... ... ... is just the absence of a "True Unified Field" which is a "Vaccum/or Black Hole", activities in the field or fields of reactions in observable dimension (complexity of operations) involved ..................... (some measurements between "Dimension Zero" and "True Unified Field" as (they overlap like MASS at Lowest state, and gravity against dimension zero), can "Block Gravity" ................ conventional science has many theories that don't mean anything for a long time standing) .............. .............. (Bob Lazar's Testimony, doesn't mean anything, because it is just wrong, but if it means anything more or less, then its because I decided it was to be more or less then it is and was) (back to topic) ("true unified field" is not natural or native in this universe, the behavior of MASS parallels this behavior, but its far from the same, it means nothing .............. "Dark Light Function in Super Gravity Constant in 4th Dimension" is necessary, the rest is for the idiots and trolls that died in foolishness when their king and champion, Edward Leedskalnin of that day died as a result of their shame and idiotisy) .............. .............. (Back to Topic, and everything is false, and everything is invalid) (play their game of the biggest idiot, you don't need evidences) Ron L. Hubbard's Scientology Device, is near, identical to Bob Lazar's Element 115 Device. Uhm. No, it isn't in any way, shape or form. Can you please explain how that is so? On 12/31/2018 at 1:45 PM, gostar said: ("Idiot science" does not accept the scientific reality that, "light" is evidence of a "hyperdimensional periodic table or plane", acted out against "supergravity/where we observe "light/supergravity"" in our dimension, they are not the same. The argument for "Dark Light Constant" is created and established in a more complicated environment, you don't need to compete with an idiot, they will just die off, as a false witness if they use force against you) (or me even better) (with that said) ("Nguyen Van Lem" claimed, a small part of him, exceeded the confines of MASS, exceeded the confines of (dimension which is field complexity and persistance), our universe's limitation. And, if everything wasn't resolved in blowing out his brains, he would act on the legal materials he provided, in that day, to the people. this is not about science, more then it is or was about "mass suicide", that is man's pleasure and answer for god, and its own life. (sutton and macdade blvd. in folsom pa. near my address is, the vietnam memorial conviently located there for moses, to sentence this generation in the same way to a complete blind and complete dumb death, you'll be surprised how many state official and presidents run to that, in their need to see death, to see humanity die ignorant, that is perfectly natural, and normal, the (gospel's) law affords that) Yikes. Cheers, Badeskov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TellLieVision Posted January 4, 2019 Author #229 Share Posted January 4, 2019 After watching the doc, I believe Bob Lazar even more: - his name did appear in the phone directory of the lab he used to work for. - a scientist's confirmed Bob did work at Los Alamos National Laboratories. - his house got raided by the Feds once more when word got out he was involved in the doc. - element 115 became a reality. - footage of UFOs from the outttings with John Lear, Gene Huff and company. - as it was said before, Bob has always been reluctant to partake in interviews, seminars, presentations and what have you related to the UFOs and such. He hasn't written any books nor profited from his situation -- not that there's anything wrong with it but debunkers usually go and exploit that side to discredit the peron in question. - he's never changed his testimony; when he doesn't know anything he flat-out says so; he makes it clear when he's giving his opinion or making conjectures. His body language is also very telling: cool-tempered, calm; he doesn't waffle on. And let's not forget he passed several polygraph tests in the past. - he does sound as a scientist; he has the knowledge despite him using simple terms to explain things. There's no way his education ended at high school. it's not far-fetched to think the Government (or a group withnin it) deleted his educational background so as to discredit him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TellLieVision Posted January 4, 2019 Author #230 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Scudbuster said: Great points, no question in my mind he worked there. I believe he took 4 different lie detector tests, all administered by different examiners. So, think about all this, there are recovered alien craft in S-4, and have been for some time. How far along are we in replicating the technology? Maybe they have already left the atmosphere and been to places like the moon, Mars, or maybe beyond. Perhaps the "Solar Warden" program rumors are true. Or perhaps massive problems remain, and they are no further along than when Bob Lazar worked there in the late 90's sometime. Totally. Also, when Bob came forward, he not only put the Area 51 term on the map but also was talking about a facility called S-4 when nobody else had ever mentioned that word before. George Knapp did a quick research at the time and got confirmation from the military itself that there was indeed a place with that name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 4, 2019 #231 Share Posted January 4, 2019 12 hours ago, TellLieVision said: After watching the doc, I believe Bob Lazar even more: - his name did appear in the phone directory of the lab he used to work for. - a scientist's confirmed Bob did work at Los Alamos National Laboratories. - his house got raided by the Feds once more when word got out he was involved in the doc. - element 115 became a reality. - footage of UFOs from the outttings with John Lear, Gene Huff and company. - as it was said before, Bob has always been reluctant to partake in interviews, seminars, presentations and what have you related to the UFOs and such. He hasn't written any books nor profited from his situation -- not that there's anything wrong with it but debunkers usually go and exploit that side to discredit the peron in question. - he's never changed his testimony; when he doesn't know anything he flat-out says so; he makes it clear when he's giving his opinion or making conjectures. His body language is also very telling: cool-tempered, calm; he doesn't waffle on. And let's not forget he passed several polygraph tests in the past. - he does sound as a scientist; he has the knowledge despite him using simple terms to explain things. There's no way his education ended at high school. it's not far-fetched to think the Government (or a group withnin it) deleted his educational background so as to discredit him). Where did you get this information? Did it come from the doc? His pay shown on the check is low. He was not hired as a scientist. The fact he got hired on does not mean anything other than he was hired for some task. The pay stub is better than a phone number. The phone number is followed by K/M. So he worked for a contractor called Kirk Meyer. He did not work directly for the lab. His element 115 story turns out to be wrong. It is just plain wrong. He claimed it could not be made in a lab. The fact that it was made does not vindicate Lazar. It shows he was wrong. He was wrong about the stability of the element. He was wrong about the melting point. He was also wrong about it being produced in super heavy stars. We know now how elements such as gold are produced. It happens in extreme energetic conditions such as neutron star collisions and not dense stars, which produce only iron as a heavy element. He lied about his education. He claimed to go to MIT. You suggest "it's not far-fetched to think the Government (or a group withnin it) deleted his educational background so as to discredit him" I think that borders on the ridiculous. As Stanton Friedman points out he has no diplomas to show. He has no transcripts to show. There are no photos in the yearbook. He has no photos of himself in those locations. He has no evidence at all that he went to any school other than Pierce Junior college. He did not graduate from that school but did take courses. He was in a course at Pierce Junior college when he claimed he was at MIT. Passing a lie detector test is meaningless. Read below how one of the most prolific serial killers in the US passed a lie detector test. What did the serial killer do? He says he relaxed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3243015.stm Often when the evidence is bad or even against an individual people turn to the vibes support idea. They suggest that the person is believable because they get good vibes form them. The same can be said of Bernie Madoff. He was cool and charming and ruined countless lives as he stole their money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 4, 2019 #232 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Scudbuster said: However, addtional whistleblowers may very well be on the endangered species list, as they have apparently tightened the clamps on the various security systems associated with these programs. 1 how do you know that!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted January 4, 2019 #233 Share Posted January 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, Dejarma said: how do you know that!? Don't you just love it when people say something is highly classified, and then proceed to tell us about it ? They never seem to get the inherent contradiction in that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 4, 2019 #234 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Bob Lazar appears to be a hoaxer. His story does not seem to be true except that he was a short term employee for a contract firm. I also noticed that he claims a remarkably short period of time for a clearance check. A top secret clearance check takes months and often a year. No one is corroborating his statements. But the evidence does show that he is not who he claims to be and his physics claims are also shown to be wrong. I am always surprised that people still believe him. Here is such a case with Knapp saying he believes in Lazar. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cu6ns/george_knapps_update_on_bob_lazar/ The problem I have here is that he says he thinks Lazar lied about his education but still managed to do the rest which would have him get a clearance while having lied on his application to get the job. That makes no sense. You lie on an application and that is a no-go on the clearance. Knapp believes he worked at Los Alamos. Knowing the layout does not mean anything about the job he held. He could be a janitor or the head of the place and know the layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 4, 2019 #235 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Here is more evidence that Lazar is a hoaxer. http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/ Quote Recall that Lazar surfaced with his tale well before gravitational wave observatories, such as LIGO, VIRGO, GEO 600 and TAMA, had even been designed, much less made operational. If Lazar’s saucers did indeed operate like he claimed, grabbing distant portions of spacetime and pulling it toward them, they would generate enough gravitational waves to knock the observatories’ interferometer mirrors off their damn mounts. OK, maybe a slight exaggeration, but any near-Earth operations of the saucers described by Lazar would result in huge gravitational wave signals. Everything has an effect and the effects claimed by Lazar should be detectable. Their absence tells us that Lazar made up nonsense to fool the gullible. Apparently, he still does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 4, 2019 #236 Share Posted January 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: Don't you just love it when people say something is highly classified, and then proceed to tell us about it ? They never seem to get the inherent contradiction in that. it does become a little tedious after a while, dont it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 4, 2019 #237 Share Posted January 4, 2019 If we continue on with the article we find some more problems with Lazar. http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/ Search on "A problem arises when you read the Monitor article’s report of the claims Lazar made for the jet in his car." and you will find that he was untruthful about an engine he used on his bike. He also claimed to be a physicist when in fact e was a technician at Los Alamos. The text covers the following tidbit. Quote Another measure of Lazar’s veracity is when he states it’s the most efficient jet engine available, using 1.3 pounds of propane for each pound of thrust it produces compared to 6 pounds of fuel for each pound of thrust with a regular jet engine. This is utter bull****. The article goes on to tell how he ends up with a job at Area 51 and then screws it up by taking friends out to watch a particle beam test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TellLieVision Posted January 4, 2019 Author #238 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, stereologist said: Where did you get this information? Did it come from the doc? His pay shown on the check is low. He was not hired as a scientist. The fact he got hired on does not mean anything other than he was hired for some task. The pay stub is better than a phone number. The phone number is followed by K/M. So he worked for a contractor called Kirk Meyer. He did not work directly for the lab. His element 115 story turns out to be wrong. It is just plain wrong. He claimed it could not be made in a lab. The fact that it was made does not vindicate Lazar. It shows he was wrong. He was wrong about the stability of the element. He was wrong about the melting point. He was also wrong about it being produced in super heavy stars. We know now how elements such as gold are produced. It happens in extreme energetic conditions such as neutron star collisions and not dense stars, which produce only iron as a heavy element. He lied about his education. He claimed to go to MIT. You suggest "it's not far-fetched to think the Government (or a group withnin it) deleted his educational background so as to discredit him" I think that borders on the ridiculous. As Stanton Friedman points out he has no diplomas to show. He has no transcripts to show. There are no photos in the yearbook. He has no photos of himself in those locations. He has no evidence at all that he went to any school other than Pierce Junior college. He did not graduate from that school but did take courses. He was in a course at Pierce Junior college when he claimed he was at MIT. Passing a lie detector test is meaningless. Read below how one of the most prolific serial killers in the US passed a lie detector test. What did the serial killer do? He says he relaxed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3243015.stm Often when the evidence is bad or even against an individual people turn to the vibes support idea. They suggest that the person is believable because they get good vibes form them. The same can be said of Bernie Madoff. He was cool and charming and ruined countless lives as he stole their money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff Bob has never come across as being charming, just confident and to the point, rather shy. He even regrets spillng the beans! He's never been an attention whore. As for his degrees, I don't think he said he graduated from any school, just attended courses. He seems to me another Bill Gates or Steve Jobs in the sense they are smart and gifted individuals who got bored easily at school, if you know what I mean. Wasn't always there doubts whether Bob had any connection to any lab in Nevada? Well, there you go, now there's evidence. If you ask me, his schooling is not the most important thing here. That is just distracting us from the big story: S-4/ Area 51 and the reverse-engineering of flying discs. Bakc in the day, he was already talking about cutting edge military planes in the works that went on to become a reality as well. I had forgotten about another important bullet point: - when he worked at S-4, in order to access the facility, he had to place his hand on some sort of security sensor that would weigh and measure his fingers. The doc showed how those devices are now being produced, almost 30 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 4, 2019 #239 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, TellLieVision said: Bob has never come across as being charming, just confident and to the point, rather shy. He even regrets spillng the beans! He's never been an attention whore. As for his degrees, I don't think he said he graduated from any school, just attended courses. He seems to me another Bill Gates or Steve Jobs in the sense they are smart and gifted individuals who got bored easily at school, if you know what I mean. Wasn't always there doubts whether Bob had any connection to any lab in Nevada? Well, there you go, now there's evidence. If you ask me, his schooling is not the most important thing here. That is just distracting us from the big story: S-4/ Area 51 and the reverse-engineering of flying discs. Bakc in the day, he was already talking about cutting edge military planes in the works that went on to become a reality as well. I had forgotten about another important bullet point: - when he worked at S-4, in order to access the facility, he had to place his hand on some sort of security sensor that would weigh and measure his fingers. The doc showed how those devices are now being produced, almost 30 years later. Actually he claims degrees from MIT and Caltech. He even has that stated in his bankruptcy filing. Not only has he stated it but he has put it in writing. There is no mistaking that he has pretended to many people to have degrees from those schools. The fact that he lies about his schooling begs the question as to what other things he openly lies about. Did he lie about his job at Los Alamos? Almost certainly since he claimed to be a physicist yet he worked a company that did not put that type of person into a job at Los Alamos. Did he reverse engineer anything at all? Unlikely. He was a repair man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 4, 2019 #240 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Let's fix this situation about whether or not he lied about his degrees. Did he claim to have those degrees? http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lazar/ultimate.html Quote Q: Bob, could you tell us about your education. I've heard [?] a lot of different conflicting things; I'd like to hear from you. BL: That varies widely. As far as electronic technology, my degree there is from Cal-Tech and physics is from M.I.T. Quote QF: No, earlier, fifteen years earlier, I saw this disk, and then Billy Meier took a photo in 1975 that was the same, exactly the same, disk that I saw. Down to the last detail, it was the same. And then you said that the Sport Model looked a lot like this same photo, in an interview with George Knapp. I thought that was really interesting, because it kind of tied it all together for me. And then... I just wanted to make that comment. And then the question I had was, what was the year of your graduation from M.I.T., and did you get a Ph.D.? BL: No, it was a Master's degree. The year. What was the year of graduation? Probably eighty two because I think I left there... He has openly stated he has degrees from those schools. He never attended those schools. His name is on no dissertations. He is not in the yearbooks or school newspapers. He can't name professors and no one in the departments seems to know him. He is known to have attended Pierce and the years he was enrolled at Pierce matches the time he claims to have been at MIT, almost 3000 miles away. Yet, as soon as he gets to Los Alamos he is in the newspaper and he tells the reporter a lot of hooey about the engine he is using. When someone suggests "As for his degrees, I don't think he said he graduated from any school, just attended courses. He seems to me another Bill Gates or Steve Jobs in the sense they are smart and gifted individuals who got bored easily at school, if you know what I mean." it is clear that they are not aware of the facts of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 4, 2019 #241 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Lazar has other stories to tell like a hydrogen fueled car running on fuel he made with his own particle accelerator. https://www.corvetteonline.com/news/eccentric-engineer-shows-off-hydrogen-powered-corvette/ https://steemit.com/science/@jaye-irons/use-a-fuel-converter-to-transform-water-into-fuel-for-your-ride-lazar-s-gig From a comment at https://www.disclose.tv/area-51-ufo-whistleblower-bob-lazar-shows-off-his-water-powered-car-320427 Quote Robert Lazar did not invent Metal Hydrides. Just so you know... Intermetallic compounds and Lanthanides have been used and experimented with for hydrogen storage since the late 1970's. The first Metal Hydride storage system for a Hydrogen powered car was actually done by Frank Lynch from UCLA in the 1970's. Robert has not invented or perfected anything here. He has a great idea, yes, but not novel. In-fact if anything, it's the opposite of novel because he uses Li6 isotope as the Metal Hydride forming compound, which does not occur in nature and must be prepared with a particle accelerator. So, it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to expensive for any practical use on a commercial level. The company Hydrogen Components has by far the best Hydrogen storage vessels on the market right now, in regards to metal/intermetallic hydrides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted January 21, 2019 #242 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Lazar is an enigma while i dont believe things happened and are just how he says i also do not believe he is 100% a charlatan, i get a vibe he likes to embelish. What we can say for certain is the available evidence doesn’t support Lazar’s claims. Whether that means he’s lying, confused, or the victim of an elaborate interplanetary conspiracy who knowns. And for now i place lazar in my folder with files like the pgf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelnjones Posted January 21, 2019 #243 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 1:45 PM, gostar said: (You don't need evidence to debunk conventional theories) (Reaction less Drive Principals (all false) (MASS in its lowest possible state, does not carry a charge, it is inert ............... its not radiation, cosmic waves/radio waves ................... when MASS is in its lowest possible state is exposed other forms of MASS it adopts its variables, as it complexifies itself) (MASS in its lowest possible state is only found in or near black holes, naturally, its not something we could come by) (radiation/radiowaves/isotopes etc. we can come by ............ the experiment you see in the youtube video, puts current into the primary motor, and the current is created or dublicated in two secondary motors, until the charge dissipates ................. i can only guess this is what they are seeing, about 1 WATT of work is performed in the primary motor, and 10 or more WATTS of work is performed in the secondary motor, on the principals of "mass in its lowest state") (you can cut the power, or all power from the primary current/motor, and work in WATTs will still be performed for a degree of time afterwards) (MASS related arguments mean nothing, they are not important, not valuable, our sciences are not important or valuable) (that is at best what can be gained from roswell, and its not practical, just a lot of fluff) ............... ............... (light has no effect on gravity ............... the oxymoron (weather gravity "pushes or pulls" depends on the vacuum measurement, that is "dimension zero" (lack of) or "space") .................. (it is a similar argument to "MASS in its lowest state, it adopts relative arguments easily as it complexifies) .................... (gravity when it is "near not present", will mirror the forces observed when it is not present ............ to say that gravity cannot push or pull is one of many easy to debunk science statements from paid trolls) ................... can anything "block" gravity, that is another oxymoron statement................. .............. .............. (Dimension Zero or (space, a perfect vaccum) ... ... ... ... is just the absence of a "True Unified Field" which is a "Vaccum/or Black Hole", activities in the field or fields of reactions in observable dimension (complexity of operations) involved ..................... (some measurements between "Dimension Zero" and "True Unified Field" as (they overlap like MASS at Lowest state, and gravity against dimension zero), can "Block Gravity" ................ conventional science has many theories that don't mean anything for a long time standing) .............. .............. (Bob Lazar's Testimony, doesn't mean anything, because it is just wrong, but if it means anything more or less, then its because I decided it was to be more or less then it is and was) (back to topic) ("true unified field" is not natural or native in this universe, the behavior of MASS parallels this behavior, but its far from the same, it means nothing .............. "Dark Light Function in Super Gravity Constant in 4th Dimension" is necessary, the rest is for the idiots and trolls that died in foolishness when their king and champion, Edward Leedskalnin of that day died as a result of their shame and idiotisy) .............. .............. (Back to Topic, and everything is false, and everything is invalid) (play their game of the biggest idiot, you don't need evidences) Ron L. Hubbard's Scientology Device, is near, identical to Bob Lazar's Element 115 Device. ("Idiot science" does not accept the scientific reality that, "light" is evidence of a "hyperdimensional periodic table or plane", acted out against "supergravity/where we observe "light/supergravity"" in our dimension, they are not the same. The argument for "Dark Light Constant" is created and established in a more complicated environment, you don't need to compete with an idiot, they will just die off, as a false witness if they use force against you) (or me even better) (with that said) ("Nguyen Van Lem" claimed, a small part of him, exceeded the confines of MASS, exceeded the confines of (dimension which is field complexity and persistance), our universe's limitation. And, if everything wasn't resolved in blowing out his brains, he would act on the legal materials he provided, in that day, to the people. this is not about science, more then it is or was about "mass suicide", that is man's pleasure and answer for god, and its own life. (sutton and macdade blvd. in folsom pa. near my address is, the vietnam memorial conviently located there for moses, to sentence this generation in the same way to a complete blind and complete dumb death, you'll be surprised how many state official and presidents run to that, in their need to see death, to see humanity die ignorant, that is perfectly natural, and normal, the (gospel's) law affords that) Was that the over-unity guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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