State of Emergency for France?

[+OverSword]

14 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Nah. It will be Germany that will introduce the electric cars as something understandable, instead of extravagant. I'm not even kidding. And it has to be done, this fossil fuel dependency is giving too much power to the proven wrong hands. 

 

But you have the word, very precise and already in academic use. Why accepting American, far less accurate substitutes if you already have your own, better word?

The US, by the way, believes in corporate supremacy.

Immigrants are constant since Jesus. And before that, but Jesus was the most popular example of a child refugee. 

It's not Merkel's fault or invention. But the Syrian wave was definitely Russian job too, not just because it's Russia that's pounding Syria to dust, it was also operation in coordination with Turkey: blackmailing the EU, Germany in particular, with large refugee waves. It's over now and the people drowning in Croatian rives at the moment are mostly Iraqis. That would be Obama's fault. Kidding. These are still consequences of Bush's 'mission accomplished'... Christ, give me strength. This is so horrible.    

Yes they do. And remember those Muslim youth burning cars in France? Were you on their side? No? Well, there's a lot of them in these riots too. Congratulations. At least you're not as evil as you are naive. 

No, what I posted is what’s happening. France came up with a plan, if you buy an electric car and then get a certificate showing you had your old car destroyed the government promised a large stipend to help pay for the new vehicle. So many people did it that the demolition companies can’t destroy cars fast enough and the program that was supposed to pay people burned through their budget and can’t pay anyone. So a gas tax was proposed to help pay for people’s electric cars before the bank repossess them. As it turns out people that didn’t buy an electric car don’t like the idea o paying more taxes to subsidize other people’s brand new vehicles 

Edited December 10, 2018 by OverSword

[Helen of Annoy]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

No, what I posted is what’s happening. France came up with a plan, if you buy an electric car and then get a certificate showing you had your old car destroyed the government promised a large stipend to help pay for the new vehicle. So many people did it that the demolition companies can’t destroy cars fast enough and the program that was supposed to pay people burned through their budget and can’t pay anyone. So a gas tax was proposed to help pay for people’s electric cars before the bank repossess them. 

So you go out and trash your own city, because that will do what to mend your personal finances, exactly? 

Ah, yes, the looting... that may help some personal finances, but who profits from breaking Marianne's head? 

I'm trying to make you notice how particularly destructive the whole rioting is, not at all lefty, how nicely it fits in political agenda of causing as much trouble as possible to any pro-EU government and how weirdly uncooperative the 'protesters' are. If I was protesting a tax, I certainly would consider it a great success if I got the offer to speak to the government. I would not decline such offer. A saboteur (or utterly naive anarchist) would. 

[+OverSword]

I don’t really think that Trump and Putin are behind these riots. I think it’s people responding to being tear gassed because they don’t want fuel to be too expensive to drive just to buy somebody else a new car. Seriously, what makes more sense?

as for rioting and looting when one happens usually so does the other and most of the protesters don’t participate in either one 

Edited December 10, 2018 by OverSword

[Electric Scooter]

4 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

So you go out and trash your own city, because that will do what to mend your personal finances, exactly? 

Ah, yes, the looting... that may help some personal finances, but who profits from breaking Marianne's head? 

I'm trying to make you notice how particularly destructive the whole rioting is, not at all lefty, how nicely it fits in political agenda of causing as much trouble as possible to any pro-EU government and how weirdly uncooperative the 'protesters' are. If I was protesting a tax, I certainly would consider it a great success if I got the offer to speak to the government. I would not decline such offer. A saboteur (or utterly naive anarchist) would. 

Thats what happens when people are very angry at being conned.

Please can I ask why do you hate the US? If it wasn't for them and the UK then your country wouldnt have its freedom. While the US might be about economic imperialism at least you have your freedom and a high quality of life.

Edited December 10, 2018 by RabidMongoose

[Helen of Annoy]

6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I don’t really think that Trump and Putin are behind these riots. I think it’s people responding to being tear gassed because they don’t want fuel to be too expensive to drive just to buy somebody else a new car. Seriously, what makes more sense?

Trump certainly isn't. He just monumentally stupidly boasted with French rioters chanting his name. Which didn't happen. 

Putin is behind Russian bot support for the 'yellow' riots. Enough said.

Fuel was expensive before and prices were going up for stupider reasons, yet no one went to riot in Paris. Makes me wonder who's coordinating it, since 'yellows' supposedly have no leadership.   

 

 

edit: @RabidMongoose will you please see my replies to OverSword? I don't think there's much sense in answering to your constructs about me personally, such as 'hating the US', while what I have to say on topic is in my replies to OS.  

Edited December 10, 2018 by Helen of Annoy

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Trump certainly isn't. He just monumentally stupidly boasted with French rioters chanting his name. Which didn't happen. 

Putin is behind Russian bot support for the 'yellow' riots. Enough said.

Fuel was expensive before and prices were going up for stupider reasons, yet no one went to riot in Paris. Makes me wonder who's coordinating it, since 'yellows' supposedly have no leadership.   

 

 

edit: @RabidMongoose will you please see my replies to OverSword? I don't think there's much sense in answering to your constructs about me personally, such as 'hating the US', while what I have to say on topic is in my replies to OS.  

Riots are by their nature not coordinated or have a leader.  My taxes increased in order to buy someone else a new car would get me out their protesting in a yellow vest that’s for sure 

[Robotic Jew]

1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

Thats what happens when people are very angry at being conned.

Please can I ask why do you hate the US? If it wasn't for them and the UK then your country wouldnt have its freedom. While the US might be about economic imperialism at least you have your freedom and a high quality of life.

And vice versa

[Helen of Annoy]

45 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Riots are by their nature not coordinated or have a leader.  My taxes increased in order to buy someone else a new car would get me out their protesting in a yellow vest that’s for sure 

Oh, spontaneous riots... how romantic. It doesn't happen in this world, not since peasants' revolts, and even those where organised by someone, only that someone would rarely suffer the consequences. 

'Your' taxes were on diesel only and won't be applied. Maximum wage will be raised too. That's nice (no sarcasm). I wonder what will spontaneous riots will be against now. Oh, well, Russian bots will tell us.   

40 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Antifa in this country is an organization mainly against free or offensive speech unless it their free or offensive speech then it’s just fine. As long as the politicians raising their taxes were perceived as liberal they would never protest them. 

True Antifa are honorable successors of the original anti-fascists.

(Among them, the original anti-fascists, were my grandparents too, so screw you, in their name - I never met neither of my grandfathers and my father survived death camp by not one but a strain of miracles. I had family on the other side too and they told me everything and nothing was in favour of the ideology you're trying to resurrect today. Totalitarianism, left or right, is not bearable. Feel free not to trust people who suffered it first-hand.) 

Shameless, panicky myths (again, perpetuated by Russian trolls and bots) that aim to equate anti-fascism with far-left violence are part of attempt to drag as many totalitarian regimes as possible into power, so they can be pitted against each stupid other easily, unlike democratic and socially sensible, open to cooperation societies.  

 

I've got better things to do now. Repent before I return  

Edited December 10, 2018 by Helen of Annoy

[+OverSword]

33 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Oh, spontaneous riots... how romantic. It doesn't happen in this world, not since peasants' revolts, and even those where organised by someone, only that someone would rarely suffer the consequences. 

'Your' taxes were on diesel only and won't be applied. Maximum wage will be raised too. That's nice (no sarcasm). I wonder what will spontaneous riots will be against now. Oh, well, Russian bots will tell us.   

True Antifa are honorable successors of the original anti-fascists.

(Among them, the original anti-fascists, were my grandparents too, so screw you, in their name - I never met neither of my grandfathers and my father survived death camp by not one but a strain of miracles. I had family on the other side too and they told me everything and nothing was in favour of the ideology you're trying to resurrect today. Totalitarianism, left or right, is not bearable. Feel free not to trust people who suffered it first-hand.) 

Shameless, panicky myths (again, perpetuated by Russian trolls and bots) that aim to equate anti-fascism with far-left violence are part of attempt to drag as many totalitarian regimes as possible into power, so they can be pitted against each stupid other easily, unlike democratic and socially sensible, open to cooperation societies.  

 

I've got better things to do now. Repent before I return  

Russian bots. Yes I’m sure they influence people. Probably 10. 

[+OverSword]

 

[+and-then]

13 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Read my post if you wish to reply to it.  

Then explain why was Trump advertising extreme left and anarchists rioting in France as something desirable and why he proudly stated these people, lefties and anarchists, were chanting his name? 

 

It may surprise you but I don't care to read more of the same inane BS that is consistently shoveled about Trump.  I DON'T CARE what anyone else thinks about the man or his policies.  Certainly not people who live halfway around the world and have an obsession that indicates a mental diagnosis.  

I was responding to your drivel that ignores what the French are actually doing.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/10/675425153/macron-promises-minimum-wage-hike-and-tax-cuts-to-end-yellow-vest-protests 

This article proves beyond any doubt what these protesters are really about.  

[Electric Scooter]

15 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Oh, spontaneous riots... how romantic. It doesn't happen in this world, not since peasants' revolts, and even those where organised by someone, only that someone would rarely suffer the consequences. 

'Your' taxes were on diesel only and won't be applied. Maximum wage will be raised too. That's nice (no sarcasm). I wonder what will spontaneous riots will be against now. Oh, well, Russian bots will tell us.   

True Antifa are honorable successors of the original anti-fascists.

(Among them, the original anti-fascists, were my grandparents too, so screw you, in their name - I never met neither of my grandfathers and my father survived death camp by not one but a strain of miracles. I had family on the other side too and they told me everything and nothing was in favour of the ideology you're trying to resurrect today. Totalitarianism, left or right, is not bearable. Feel free not to trust people who suffered it first-hand.) 

Shameless, panicky myths (again, perpetuated by Russian trolls and bots) that aim to equate anti-fascism with far-left violence are part of attempt to drag as many totalitarian regimes as possible into power, so they can be pitted against each stupid other easily, unlike democratic and socially sensible, open to cooperation societies.  

I've got better things to do now. Repent before I return  

When it comes to your posts I find I agree with only 5% of your comments. The rest I am left scratching my head as to why you have the views that you do. Then I read something like that and I`m reminded that you are Croatian. A country that sided with the Nazis during WW2 to oppress your Serbian brothers and sisters. It is not my place to pass comments on your nations dark history or Serbia trying to get its own back in more recent times. But let me tell you that as a result of it you have become paranoid (absolutely paranoid) about fascists.

With the slightest hint of anything nationalistic, patriotic or anti-immigration, then you convince yourself the people involved are fascists. You have fascism hysteria. While I understand why (your family history) you need to get a grip. Europe is falling to bits before our very eyes because of people like yourself preventing ordinary, sensible, sane, policies, being implemented. The latest manifestation of that is the Macron Moron at the helm of France. The very antithesis of Democracy. That fools vision for France is so far outside what the majority of his people want that I seriously believe he will become the first French leader in modern times to get deposed.

Edited December 11, 2018 by RabidMongoose

[stevewinn]

27 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

When it comes to your posts I find I agree with only 5% of your comments. The rest I am left scratching my head as to why you have the views that you do. Then I read something like that and I`m reminded that you are Croatian. A country that sided with the Nazis during WW2 to oppress your Serbian brothers and sisters. It is not my place to pass comments on your nations dark history or Serbia trying to get its own back in more recent times. But let me tell you that as a result of it you have become paranoid (absolutely paranoid) about fascists.

With the slightest hint of anything nationalistic, patriotic or anti-immigration, then you convince yourself the people involved are fascists. You have fascism hysteria. While I understand why (your family history) you need to get a grip. Europe is falling to bits before our very eyes because of people like yourself preventing ordinary, sensible, sane, policies, being implemented. The latest manifestation of that is the Macron Moron at the helm of France. The very antithesis of Democracy. That fools vision for France is so far outside what the majority of his people want that I seriously believe if will become the first French leader in modern times to get deposed.

Irony is. She's has that inherent nasty Russian slavic trait. She'd fit in well in the old USSR. 

Edited December 11, 2018 by stevewinn

[Space Commander Travis]

Funny how any conversation where some people in particular turn up invariably comes around, in some way that's way too tortuous for anyone except the most experienced crypto analysts at the NSA to fully understand, to the  Russians. And Trump, of course. Everything is either Russians or Trump.  

[aztek]

Just now, stevewinn said:

Irony is. She's has that inherent nasty Russian slavic trait. She'd fit in well in the old USSR. 

i know quite a few people that came from USSR, they are nothing like her.

[aztek]

Just now, OverSword said:

 

pretty much, liberalism is killing Europe, and some, or most idk,  can't even see it, but  it's ok,we have same thing happen before in history, in the same Europe. millions did not see it until too late

[Helen of Annoy]

2 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Irony is. She's has that inherent nasty Russian slavic trait. She'd fit in well in the old USSR. 

Only it's your outdated monarchy that is owned by Russians. We've got different plans and you are apparently not able to stop them. 

 

To everyone else, 'libertarians', Trumpkins, and other victims of propaganda: you are cheering for people who are destroying the property with rather flimsy excuse. See my previous posts for detailed explanation. 

If it was your property destroyed by 'anarchists' who happen to have full Russian bot support, you'd probably sing a different song.  

[Electric Scooter]

8 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Only it's your outdated monarchy that is owned by Russians. We've got different plans and you are apparently not able to stop them. 

To everyone else, 'libertarians', Trumpkins, and other victims of propaganda: you are cheering for people who are destroying the property with rather flimsy excuse. See my previous posts for detailed explanation. 

If it was your property destroyed by 'anarchists' who happen to have full Russian bot support, you'd probably sing a different song.  

I dont know what you are trying to say lol

[Space Commander Travis]

1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

I dont know what you are trying to say lol

I think she';s trying to say that the Royal family are the remaining surviving descendants of the Romanovs, and that they're therefore the rightful heirs to the crown of Russia. And therefore Prince Charles (or William) will become the Czar of All the Russias. I think that's it.  

[Electric Scooter]

13 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

I think she';s trying to say that the Royal family are the remaining surviving descendants of the Romanovs, and that they're therefore the rightful heirs to the crown of Russia. And therefore Prince Charles (or William) will become the Czar of All the Russias. I think that's it.  

Your history is all over the place lol.

Nicholas II was a descendant of Queen Victoria. It was the Czar who was a descendant of the British Royal Family not the other way around. And he has no surviving descendants because the Russia public murdered him off over the favour given to Rasputin.

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

I think she';s trying to say that the Royal family are the remaining surviving descendants of the Romanovs, and that they're therefore the rightful heirs to the crown of Russia. And therefore Prince Charles (or William) will become the Czar of All the Russias. I think that's it.  

Childish, a bit desperate, but imaginative. Will laugh again. 

But I wasn't thinking of your royals, when I said 'outdated monarchy' I had your monarchy, outdated as it is, in mind. It's hard to fathom it still sort of exists in 21st century.

And it's owned by Russians in the sense of dirty oligarch money buying everything you used to own, from sports clubs to the government. Especially the Brexit bunch. Of course, you refuse to admit Brexit was heavily supported by Russians - their bots and trolls are still working relentlessly and also, there's actual money being given to the suitable... what to call them... heh, politicians.    

I would ask myself if disregarding facts that I don't like is wise. But that's just me. 

And the topic was riot in France. It doesn't take NSA to see through that 'spontaneous' attack on private property, economy and also, the national symbol of France too. Again, if you'll rather claim that's too complicated for you to see, fine, but don't expect me to leave the brain outside just because it makes you feel uncomfortable.  

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

43 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Childish, a bit desperate, but imaginative. Will laugh again. 

But I wasn't thinking of your royals, when I said 'outdated monarchy' I had your monarchy, outdated as it is, in mind. It's hard to fathom it still sort of exists in 21st century.

And it's owned by Russians in the sense of dirty oligarch money buying everything you used to own, from sports clubs to the government. Especially the Brexit bunch. Of course, you refuse to admit Brexit was heavily supported by Russians - their bots and trolls are still working relentlessly and also, there's actual money being given to the suitable... what to call them... heh, politicians.    

I would ask myself if disregarding facts that I don't like is wise. But that's just me. 

And the topic was riot in France. It doesn't take NSA to see through that 'spontaneous' attack on private property, economy and also, the national symbol of France too. Again, if you'll rather claim that's too complicated for you to see, fine, but don't expect me to leave the brain outside just because it makes you feel uncomfortable.  

Helen, I really can't figure out what the Russians truly support.

In 2016 in the US, Russians supported both Clinton and Trump. But it was the Rally that supported Clinton that got CNN's attention (I wonder why?, rolls eyes)

I think the are individual Russian groups that come here to make money and that is who they support. It certainly is not a coordianted Russian government ploy to sink america.

[Helen of Annoy]

13 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Helen, I really can't figure out what the Russians truly support.

In 2016 in the US, Russians supported both Clinton and Trump. But it was the Rally that supported Clinton that got CNN's attention (I wonder why?, rolls eyes)

I think the are individual Russian groups that come here to make money and that is who they support. It certainly is not a coordianted Russian government ploy to sink america.

I'm absolutely convinced it is. If I wasn't, I wouldn't even comment your choice of president. Your president, your choice, I mean, how else? I never noticed that some tectonic change on international stage follows your new presidents.   

This is different. In disastrous way. You've got an Russian asset posing as the president. *faints a little* The longer he festers in the POTUS seat, the harder it will be to take the stench out. 

'scuse my bluntness, but that's my opinion. 

Also, even if he wasn't Russian asset (yes he is), he's still the embodiment of seven deadly sins. I'm not liberal enough to accept that. 

 

[Space Commander Travis]

53 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

And it's owned by Russians in the sense of dirty oligarch money buying everything you used to own, from sports clubs to the government. Especially the Brexit bunch. Of course, you refuse to admit Brexit was heavily supported by Russians - their bots and trolls are still working relentlessly and also, there's actual money being given to the suitable... what to call them... heh, politicians.    

I would ask myself if disregarding facts that I don't like is wise. But that's just me. 

This is going off the subject of France, I know, but a qualified psychiatrist would make a packet out of this, this belief of yours that sees Putin^(TM) as the demonic force behind everything that challenges the assumptions that Clinton would and should have won the 2016 election, and that anyone could possibly not be happy and content with the great European community of nations. It could only be because they're under the control of Putin^(TM) that anyone might have voted that they no longer wanted to be part of the great peaceful community of nations?  This is some industrial grade paranoia right there. You refuse to believe that people could be capable of deciding for themselves? We know you see the Great Peaceful Community of Nations as the only thing preventing Putin form launching his Blitzkrieg across the Baltic States, Poland and the Former Yugoslavia, but do you honestly not see anything undemocratic and authoritarian about the Great Peaceful Community of Nations, or if you do do you have no problem with that?

[Electric Scooter]

1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Childish, a bit desperate, but imaginative. Will laugh again. 

But I wasn't thinking of your royals, when I said 'outdated monarchy' I had your monarchy, outdated as it is, in mind. It's hard to fathom it still sort of exists in 21st century.

And it's owned by Russians in the sense of dirty oligarch money buying everything you used to own, from sports clubs to the government. Especially the Brexit bunch. Of course, you refuse to admit Brexit was heavily supported by Russians - their bots and trolls are still working relentlessly and also, there's actual money being given to the suitable... what to call them... heh, politicians.    

I would ask myself if disregarding facts that I don't like is wise. But that's just me. 

And the topic was riot in France. It doesn't take NSA to see through that 'spontaneous' attack on private property, economy and also, the national symbol of France too. Again, if you'll rather claim that's too complicated for you to see, fine, but don't expect me to leave the brain outside just because it makes you feel uncomfortable.  

Where is the evidence to support this?

Or do the thought processes you go through require none?

Edited December 11, 2018 by RabidMongoose