Imaginarynumber1 Posted December 5, 2018 #51 Share Posted December 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, F3SS said: Very well but it's people like them and probably like you too who either ruin or take the joy out of long standing traditions enjoyed by almost everybody in a selfish act of protest for no other reason than to seek attention and rain on the parade just to prove a point on a technicality that literally nobody else could give two shlts about. Correct. And also, to you know, stop the state from trying to become a ****ing theocracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted December 5, 2018 #52 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Theocracy- a society ruled by priests who represent a God. Yes, we are teetering on the edge. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 6, 2018 #53 Share Posted December 6, 2018 More illiteracy I see, they asked for a Santa statue, misplaced a single letter ans got a Satan one. Educational Standards dropping across the globe, how sad. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedutchiedutch Posted December 6, 2018 #54 Share Posted December 6, 2018 I am not a fan of religion but this is just pure provocation in my opinion. Very stupid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted December 6, 2018 #55 Share Posted December 6, 2018 23 hours ago, sci-nerd said: Yes, in many peoples minds it is, but not in mine. For me it's the winter solstice, a viking holiday. The Winter Solistice wasn't just a Viking holiday though... it's a important event in the cycle of the natural cycle of the year and was celebrated independently by the vast majority of pre-Christian religions, in Europe at least. And Christmas might originally be places on that date to replace the high fest of the Mediterranean Mithras cult. However, personally I think after about 1700 years of Christmas being celebrated by Christians I'd say it counts as a "Christian" holiday. But there are other non-Christian holidays that are celebrated around the same time, like the various pagan Winter Solstices. Because imho saying it can't be a Christian holiday because it has roots in non-Christian holidays, is like saying the Viking Winter Solstice Celebration isn't a Viking holiday because it was already celebrated by some proto-Germanic people that eventually became the Viking or because the Romans celebrated Feast of Mithras on that day long before there were any Vikings. Things are continuously in flux and what and thus gain new natures and definition. For example, Christmas has been becoming increasingly secular for a long time now, losing its religious element, it's celebrated in Japan despite pretty much nobody there being Christian So in that context it is (or is becoming) a non-religious holiday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted December 6, 2018 #56 Share Posted December 6, 2018 7 hours ago, Orphalesion said: in Japan despite pretty much nobody there being Christian So in that context it is (or is becoming) a non-religious holiday Actually according to a Japanese family that had their kids in our Catholic school when my kids went there...not only are there many families in Japan that celebrate full Christmas, many are converting. They eventually did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted December 7, 2018 #57 Share Posted December 7, 2018 3 hours ago, skliss said: Actually according to a Japanese family that had their kids in our Catholic school when my kids went there...not only are there many families in Japan that celebrate full Christmas, many are converting. They eventually did. Last I heard 'Merry Christmas' translated into 'Happy Gift Day' in Japanese. May the spirit of consumerism, consume you. Yeah, I added the last bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 7, 2018 #58 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Just now, Likely Guy said: Last I heard 'Merry Christmas' translated into 'Happy Gift Day' in Japanese. May the spirit of consumerism, consume you. Yeah, I added the last bit. Giftmas: nondenominational season of mass consumerism and gift giving. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted December 7, 2018 #59 Share Posted December 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Giftmas: nondenominational season of mass consumerism and gift giving. Good thing. The retailers have barely, just in time, recovered from Black Friday. I guess that, until the next time, they're all losing money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted December 7, 2018 #60 Share Posted December 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Giftmas: nondenominational season of mass consumerism and gift giving. Not in our house. I invite everyone over Christmas Day, but there are no gifts allowed. We're all getting older and have too much stuff already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted December 7, 2018 #61 Share Posted December 7, 2018 22 hours ago, Orphalesion said: The Winter Solistice wasn't just a Viking holiday though... it's a important event in the cycle of the natural cycle of the year and was celebrated independently by the vast majority of pre-Christian religions, in Europe at least. And Christmas might originally be places on that date to replace the high fest of the Mediterranean Mithras cult. However, personally I think after about 1700 years of Christmas being celebrated by Christians I'd say it counts as a "Christian" holiday. But there are other non-Christian holidays that are celebrated around the same time, like the various pagan Winter Solstices. Because imho saying it can't be a Christian holiday because it has roots in non-Christian holidays, is like saying the Viking Winter Solstice Celebration isn't a Viking holiday because it was already celebrated by some proto-Germanic people that eventually became the Viking or because the Romans celebrated Feast of Mithras on that day long before there were any Vikings. Things are continuously in flux and what and thus gain new natures and definition. For example, Christmas has been becoming increasingly secular for a long time now, losing its religious element, it's celebrated in Japan despite pretty much nobody there being Christian So in that context it is (or is becoming) a non-religious holiday. True dat, but my ancestors were vikings, so for me, personally, it's a viking tradition called "Jul", and has absolutely nothing to do with christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted December 7, 2018 #62 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Just now, sci-nerd said: True dat, but my ancestors were vikings, so for me, personally, it's a viking tradition called "Jul", and has absolutely nothing to do with christianity. for thousands of years swastika was a Buddhist symbol of good luck, but now it only associates with Nazis, no one cares of original history nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted December 7, 2018 #63 Share Posted December 7, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aztek said: for thousands of years swastika was a Buddhist symbol of good luck, but now it only associates with Nazis, no one cares of original history nowadays. We connect swastikas with atrocities and genocide, so that one is ruined for good. But I find origins intriguing, and I hold them high. Edited December 7, 2018 by sci-nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted December 7, 2018 #64 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Just now, sci-nerd said: We connect swastikas with atrocities and genocide, so that one is ruined for good. But I find origins intriguing, and I hold them high. if people knew more about origonal tradition and krampus, it may ruing their x mas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLingo Posted December 12, 2018 #65 Share Posted December 12, 2018 On 12/6/2018 at 12:24 AM, aztek said: it is related to x-mas, which is a Christian Holiday, isn't it? pagan holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted December 13, 2018 #66 Share Posted December 13, 2018 On 12/5/2018 at 1:25 PM, F3SS said: Theocracy- a society ruled by priests who represent a God. Yes, we are teetering on the edge. if the christians get their way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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