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joc
5 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Internal server error ate my post :D

Damn. 

So, what I was saying... aha!

What narrative? Would you buy used car from someone who looks, behaves and sounds like Trump? I wouldn't.

 

Regarding left, you can say I'm common sense, which means left according to the right. Though such division is truly outdated.

I'm not out to get you. I'm out to demand basic dignity and security for you too, as I demand it for myself too.  

Merry Christmas Eve Helen!  What is there not to love about this woman?!

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Helen of Annoy
9 hours ago, joc said:

Merry Christmas Eve Helen!  What is there not to love about this woman?!

Merry Christmas, joc! 

Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrate it today, and merry day-off-work to everyone else :D And one big 'thank you' to everyone who is working today. 

 

Fangs. Fangs and the date of production. But mostly the fangs. :D  

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Tatetopa
On 12/22/2018 at 10:04 AM, Setton said:

So your knowledge isn't based on anything. 

 

Think we call that fantasy. 

I wouldn't go that far Setton.  I don't agree with all of joc;s positions, but I appreciate his effort and willingness to answer.   Thank you joc.  They were not pat talking points from a prepared list composed by somebody else, but his own thoughts. You can talk to people that think, and sometimes learn something from a different view.

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Tatetopa
13 hours ago, Will Due said:

There's a massive con game going on and those who are not paying attention to reality, are gullibly playing right into the hands of some very evil people.

Funny, when I say that people accuse me of having TDS.

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Setton
1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

I wouldn't go that far Setton.  I don't agree with all of joc;s positions, but I appreciate his effort and willingness to answer.   Thank you joc.  They were not pat talking points from a prepared list composed by somebody else, but his own thoughts. You can talk to people that think, and sometimes learn something from a different view.

They might be his own thoughts but that doesn't make them worth anything. 

Did you miss his one claiming that climate change is manufactured by Russia to weaken the US? Still waiting on the evidence he promised. 

There is nothing to support his ideas except that he wants them to be true. That is fantasy. 

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Phaeton80
12 hours ago, joc said:

The goal of the Kremlin is not to take over our government....more than happy for us to become socialists...you bet...more than ...more than happy...its their goal.  They want the same leftists in power here as are in power now...just totally in power...they don't want another Reagan, they don't want another Trump...and if you don't think it has always been about  Russia...even during JFK...you are naive I guess...I don't know.  At the very least you have a very skewed view of the reality we are all in.   Not my skewed view..your skewed view...so...I guess we can agree to disagree...at least you have something to say other than snide sarcasm...which I greatly appreciate btw, so thank  you for that...oh and Merry Christmas Eve!


Well alrighty then, skewed my view is Joc. Although I have somehow enjoyed our discourse - thinking I have not dealt with a single individual, but with a whole segment of US society just like you - its been akin to talking to a wall. I have provided you with numerous citations, facts, definitions, nuance.. and you just simply evade and ignore all of it, while bringing nothing of substance to the table mind you, only to continue thesame three mile brush, extremely black & whitish 'Evil Russia / Communism' content. Which, in all honesty, is dissapointing.. but not unexpected given your profile (which seems to have a significant level of conditioning from where Im standing, however arrogant that might sound).

A merry Christmas to you too sir, all the best to you and yours.

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RoofGardener
3 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Funny, when I say that people accuse me of having TDS.

True. But then.... we accuse you of having TDS even when you DON'T say that :D 

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RoofGardener
3 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Merry Christmas, joc! 

Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrate it today, and merry day-off-work to everyone else :D And one big 'thank you' to everyone who is working today. 

 

Fangs. Fangs and the date of production. But mostly the fangs. :D  

Merry Christmas to you too Helen of Annoy. And a disputatious New Year :D 

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Phaeton80
4 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Merry Christmas, joc! 

Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrate it today, and merry day-off-work to everyone else :D And one big 'thank you' to everyone who is working today. 

 

Fangs. Fangs and the date of production. But mostly the fangs. :D  

 

A Merry Christmas to you, Ms Perunika, and everyone else ofcourse!

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Tatetopa
9 hours ago, Setton said:

Did you miss his one claiming that climate change is manufactured by Russia to weaken the US? Still waiting on the evidence he promised. 

There is nothing to support his ideas except that he wants them to be true. That is fantasy. 

Well yes, I put up my post before I got that far in the thread.

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aztek
On 12/25/2018 at 3:19 AM, Tatetopa said:

Funny, when I say that people accuse me of having TDS.

lol, it is funny, but you do not say that, you say very different things,  you should have quoted his post with relevant parts.

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What's really going on in America today is the same thing that happened in every country where communism took control of society. These leftist leaders in our country are no different than Leon Trotsky. A person who's motivation for establishing communism in Russia (and then the entire world) was to achieve self-serving power on a grand scale and anything but, an honest desire to serve his fellow man altruistically.

There's a massive con game going on and those who are not paying attention to reality, are gullibly playing right into the hands of some very evil people.

 

that does not sound at all like you, you blame trump for almost everything, that is why people and me in particular accuse you of TDS.

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Farmer77
On 12/18/2018 at 8:07 PM, joc said:

Well..Trump is pres...he can do that...if you don't like it ...you  should have voted for Hillary...oh wait you did...nevermind...

Yes Joc , everyone who is opposed to the mentally challenged, draft dodging,  morally bankrupt, reality denying ,never worked a day in his life conman in the WH voted for hillary.

Just for clarifications sake that was this thing called sarcasm since I did not vote for Hillary.

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third_eye

I liked what Joe Wong attributed to as Trump's greatest contribution to Global World Health ... "Laughter is the best medicine"

:yes:

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Phaeton80

Veteran Middle East correspondent Elijah Magnier predicts the further development of the war on Syria. The U.S. is leaving and the Arab Gulf states are coming back to Damascus to balance against Turkey. The Kurds will stay with Syria and Idleb will be liberated. The war on Syria has led to new relations that will soon haunt its main instigator:

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Indeed the Levant is returning to the centre of Middle East and world attention in a stronger position than in 2011. Syria has advanced precision missiles that can hit any building in Israel. Assad also has an air defence system he would have never dreamed of before 2011 thanks to Israel’s continuous violation of its airspace and its defiance of Russian authority. Hezbollah has constructed bases for its long and medium range precision missiles in the mountains and has created a bond with Syria that it could never have established if not for the war. Iran has established a strategic brotherhood with Syria thanks to its role in defeating the regime change plan. NATO’s support for the growth of ISIS has created a bond between Syria and Iraq that no Muslim or Baathist link could ever have created: Iraq has a “carte blanche” to bomb ISIS locations in Syria without the consent of the Syrian leadership, and the Iraqi security forces can walk into Syria anytime they see fit to fight ISIS. The anti-Israel axis has never been stronger than it is today. That is the result of 2011-2018 war imposed on Syria.

 

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Earl.Of.Trumps
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@Phaeton80    Good info, thanks. Things are quite complicated and more involved in Syria than I had thought.   

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RoofGardener
6 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

Veteran Middle East correspondent Elijah Magnier predicts the further development of the war on Syria. The U.S. is leaving and the Arab Gulf states are coming back to Damascus to balance against Turkey. The Kurds will stay with Syria and Idleb will be liberated. The war on Syria has led to new relations that will soon haunt its main instigator:

 

Yeah.. right. He works for a Kuwaiti newspaper. His record at predictions is not good. 

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Tatetopa
34 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Yeah.. right. He works for a Kuwaiti newspaper. His record at predictions is not good. 

Who needs predictions.  All we have to do is wait and see.  Even if the guy is right, we are not going to do anything but sit back and watch.

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acidhead

Today's presser with the Don.. the king of kings

Jan. 4, 2019

 

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bee
4 hours ago, acidhead said:

Today's presser with the Don.. the king of kings

Jan. 4, 2019

[video snipped]

 

I saw some of this live last night..... he has a passion for his country and the Job of President that shines through
all the mud that his detractors fling at him.. and it's good the way he handles the press,.... and on that subject
what is it with the press.... when they are given a turn to ask a question many (most?) of them say,
'I have two questions' :wacko:........... 

Don't know where it is on the video but re the concrete V steel   'wall' .... the point was addressed about being
able to see what was going on the other side of the wall / fence.... so that will have to be taken into consideration...

Trump's not going to back down on this and he said (when asked) that he  has the power to declare the issue
a matter of National Security (because of the potential invasion of Caravan/s) - so he has the advantage -  

 

 

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Phaeton80
On 4-1-2019 at 12:57 PM, Phaeton80 said:

Veteran Middle East correspondent Elijah Magnier predicts the further development of the war on Syria. The U.S. is leaving and the Arab Gulf states are coming back to Damascus to balance against Turkey. The Kurds will stay with Syria and Idleb will be liberated. The war on Syria has led to new relations that will soon haunt its main instigator:

 


On a different note;
 

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A genuine withdrawal from the Syrian conflict would signal a seismic shift in US foreign policy and mark an irreversible decline in American hegemony.

It is difficult to believe such a seismic shift could happen, and so suddenly.

It is also a shift not founded in US foreign policy or fact.

There are several key possibilities to consider:

  • A US withdrawal paves way for unilateral Israeli strikes;
  • It also paves the way for an expanded Turkish incursion; 
  • US troops won't be on the ground as targets in the immediate aftermath of any wider conflict Israel or Turkey provokes;
  • US troops can re-enter theater with renewed pretext to fight Damascus directly in defense of allies Israel or Turkey and;
  • US troops can re-enter theater along the better formed and protected front Turkey seeks to create. 
The above possibilities are drawn not from speculation, but from multiple US policy papers spanning decades.
 

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US Withdrawal From Syria Removes Obstructions to Escalation, Not Peace 

US policymakers have drawn up plans for years regarding US primacy in the Middle East. In the 2009 policy paper published by corporate-financier funded think tank - the Brookings Institution - the use of US proxies like Israel to carry out major attacks on Iran were given its own chapter.

However, the only obstruction to this option was the necessity of Israeli warplanes to fly over either US-ally Jordan or US-occupied Iraq.

The report would claim under a chapter titled, "Leave it to Bibi: Allowing or Encouraging an Israeli Military Strike" (.pdf) that (emphasis added):

An Israeli air campaign against Iran would have a number of very important differences from an American campaign. First, the Israeli Air Force (IAF) has the problem of overflight transit from Israel to Iran. Israel has no aircraft carriers, so its planes must take off from Israeli air bases. It also does not possess long-range bombers like the B-1 or B-2, or huge fleets of refueling tankers, all of which means that unlike the United States, Israel cannot avoid flying through someone’s air space. The most direct route from Israel to Iran’s Natanz facility is roughly 1,750 kilometers across Jordan and Iraq. As the occupying power in Iraq, the United States is responsible for defending Iraqi airspace. 

It would also state (emphasis added):

From the American perspective, this negates the whole point of the option—distancing the United States from culpability—and it could jeopardize American efforts in Iraq, thus making it a possible nonstarter for Washington. Finally, Israeli violation of Jordanian airspace would likely create political problems for King Abdullah of Jordan, one of America’s (and Israel’s) closest Arab friends in the region. Thus it is exceedingly unlikely that the United States would allow Israel to overfly Iraq, and because of the problems it would create for Washington and Amman, it is unlikely that Israel would try to fly over Jordan.

And finally, the Brookings paper would claim (emphasis added):

An Israeli attack on Iran would directly affect key American strategic interests. If Israel were to overfly Iraq, both the Iranians and the vast majority of people around the world would see the strike as abetted, if not authorized, by the United States. Even if Israel were to use another route, many Iranians would still see the attack as American supported or even American orchestrated. After all, the aircraft in any strike would be American produced, supplied, and funded F-15s and F-16s, and much of the ordnance would be American made. In fact, $3 billion dollars in U.S. assistance annually sustains the IDF’s conventional superiority in the region.

Thus, by removing US troops from Iraq regarding 2009 US plans to have Israel strike Iran then - or to have US troops withdrawn from Syria to distance the US from culpability ahead of Israeli strikes in the near future - the US can remove this critical obstruction toward greater escalation and even major war - not toward peace.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2018/12/us-withdrawal-from-syria-paves-way-for.html

 

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