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25 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

True that.  He gets those secret briefings to read that the rest of us don't.

If you believe Rex Tillerson, he doesn't read those either. 

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On 12/13/2018 at 1:44 PM, Tatetopa said:

 I don't think the "Young Turks"  will want any part of President Trump.  They are the future.

I think they will.  Recall during the Presidential Campaign, Trump and Bernie were so close in position?  I think we will find out that the Young Turks and Trump will have much in common.  If they expect to be re-elected, they are going to have to work with Trump because they won’t get much chance under Pelosi.

 

They can sit back and watch McConnell and Schumer and Pelosi and Trump take pot shots at each other  and destroy each other. 

That won’t happen.  Trump has already taken them to the woodshed.  It’ll look like impetuous children acting up before the parent Trump (like it always has).

 

Then the stage will be clear for them to take over. 

Before they can take over, they need to be re-elected.  If they don’t produce, the people aren’t going to reelect them.  And that isn’t going to happen under Pelosi.  The only reason most of them got elected was because 42 GOP Representatives retired and most of those were Never-Trumpers that knew they didn’t stand a chance because of their position.  So if the YTs don’t do something like work with the President, they won’t be back for another term.  The people want things done.  I think they would prefer bipartisanship but as life improves, it doesn’t matter.  And the President is delivering.  If these YTs are going to show the country that Socialism is the future then they’ll need to step up now and work with this President.

 

President Trump is damaged goods. 

That’s a mischaracterization.  Trump is in his element.  Trump is the Mohammad Ali of the political world.  He’ll take the punishment and still get what he wants.  After tiring out his opponent, he then goes in for the kill.

 

It is not just the progs he has to contend with.  Industry is voting with their feet.  GM is making cars in China to sell in China, partially because of steel and aluminum tariffs, but for other reasons too.  China is a bigger market for new cars and electric cars than the US.  You go where the money is.   Same with Harley Davidson, they are not un-American, they are the capitalist system trying to survive.  Same with nail manufacturers that have to shut down plants  because steel in America is non-competitive on the world market.

Industry isn’t voting with their feet.  Companies are free to make decisions.  Sometimes, they aren’t the best decisions.  As older companies leave, new ones will spring up and they will be more competitive.  In very much the same way you view the future of the YTs.  But that is a benefit of tariffs.  They rejuvenate manufacturing at home.  It’ll cut out the unhealthy top-heavy companies.  A nation cannot survive without manufacturing.  This doesn’t mean that tariffs will stay in place permanently.  There are just like any other tool.  Use it when you need it, put away when you it isn’t needed.  Tariffs will reintroduce innovation and quality into American products.  People in other countries will be demanding our products.  These companies that are ‘voting with their feet’ will end up on the wrong end as the world will be demanding quality America steel as oppose to the cheap Chinese steel to make their cars.  People prefer buying quality.  They get tired of having a toolbox full of cheap broken tools.  Most of it is wasted (wasted wealth) as it returns to the Earth in dumps.  If we could save a fraction of that wasted wealth, we could end poverty.

 

If  he is using it as a weapon, it will damage us as well as our enemy. 

That’s the nature of war.  If you expect to win, you have to accept losses.  I think America is up to the challenge.  I think she is robust enough.

 

Misplaced to talk about Nukes, that is a conservative solution isn't it?, Progs are globalist socialists remember. 

That’s not a Conservative solution.  Who is it that wants war with Russia?  That would be Progs and Rinos.  Globalist Socialists are just that!  They are interested in global domination.

 

We did not Lose $375 billion dollars in trade to China last year.  We bought $375 billion dollars more in goods than we sold.  That is not the same as losing. 

In essence, it is still a deficit.  China puts tariffs on our goods to force their people to buy local.  In a trade deal, that hurts our workforce.  I think that if we had a fair trade deal, the Chinese people would prefer our products.

 

Tariffs don't make US industries more competitive on the world stage,

Perhaps initially in a transitional period but it would allow business to regroup.  At least those smart enough to adapt.  And again lean, mean, business machines will emerge.  Capitalism is on the verge on taking off here and American Exceptionalism is on the horizon.  This is something the Progs can’t allow to happen.  This is the essence of Trump hatred.

 

they just cause US consumers to pay more. 

I don’t mind paying more for “Made in America”.  I and my wife always try to do that anyway.  But it isn’t that easy because there is a gluttony of “Made in China” flooding our market.  That must end.

 

If we were competitive, we could sell China  $375 billion dollars more in US goods.  China is China first! President Xi is better at China first! than President Trump is at America first!.

That can’t happen under the current deal.  If we sell $375 billion then China will sell another $600 billion.  The game is rigged against us.  Xi was playing China first (as he should have been) long before Trump became President.  We got screwed under Obama.  And the blame goes back collectively several Administrations.  Trump inherited a poor setup.  Trump hasn’t begun to play America first yet.  The future is ours.  All we need to do is not be timid.  Another President said something similar almost 90 years ago.  Too many people are locked in their comfort zone.  As another President remarked that we must disenthrall ourselves if we are to save our country.  That’s a future that excites me!

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9 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Trump has already taken them to the woodshed.

Speaking from an electioneering perspective the problem with this is the only folks who actually thought that are his base. The rest of us watched him act like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum while the adults in the room alternated between gentle discipline and outright containing their mocking laughter at the absurdity.

 

11 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The only reason most of them got elected was because 42 GOP Representatives retired and most of those were Never-Trumpers that knew they didn’t stand a chance because of their position. 

So never Trumpers couldnt have won but democrats did?

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@RavenHawk"Trump is the Mohammad Ali of the political world." B)

 

Lovin' it, RH :-)     And watch those democrats scramble as they try to stop that uppity Darkie!!  Just like the good old days, eh?

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On 12/13/2018 at 1:52 PM, Tatetopa said:

Doesn't look like Obama did so badly, kind of knocked the knickers off #43.  Hey wait a minute, Obama and Clinton are tops in the list, how can that be?  Aren't they both globalist, socialist, destroy America Democrats?

That is an inaccurate take on the increases of the market.  Obama signed off on a series of Quantitative Easing that ended up printing trillions of dollars of paper money.  Of course the market liked it, but it also devalued the dollar and it made the wealth gap increase.  Today, we are ‘paying the piper’ as we see the market headlong in correction.  Trump is betting that we can withstand this correction.  The economy is strong and growing.  GDP is over 3% which we haven’t seen in many years.  We will come out of this stronger than before.  But we need to stay-the-course and dig in.

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14 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Speaking from an electioneering perspective the problem with this is the only folks who actually thought that are his base. The rest of us watched him act like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum while the adults in the room alternated between gentle discipline and outright containing their mocking laughter at the absurdity.

Is that your form of denial?  'It must be the base'?  It isn’t just the base.  Pelosi and Schumer looked embarrassed like children caught with their hand in the cookie jar.  Then their performances for the cameras later doubled down on that perception.  Trump was p***ed, that was clear.  He called two misbehaving children to the office and laid down the law.  That is the only perception here.  Anything else is spin and denial.

 

So never Trumpers couldnt have won but democrats did?

That is basically correct, but you don’t understand why.  In politics when one party doesn’t perform, the people will tend to give the other side a try.  This effect can be only local or national, or some combination.  This is why Hilary lost.  The Progressives screwed this country up so much.  That is why they lost a thousand seats in the past years.  Now it is the Never-Trumper’s turn to be purged but that requires for the Party to relinquish seats to be in position to regain them.  Trump now has the perfect foil to use.  If nothing gets done, he can blame the House and the Progs can spin all they want but it’ll be clear they are the ones obstructing.  The next two years are going to be exciting.

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Just now, RavenHawk said:

Pelosi and Schumer looked embarrassed like children caught with their hand in the cookie jar. 

They were embarrassed just like the majority of us were : for America because her POTUS is a child.

1 minute ago, RavenHawk said:

Trump was p***ed, that was clear.  He called two misbehaving children to the office and laid down the law.  That is the only perception here.  Anything else is spin and denial.

Like I said this is how his base sees it, not so much for normal folks

2 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Now it is the Never-Trumper’s turn to be purged but that requires for the Party to relinquish seats to be in position to regain them.  Trump now has the perfect foil to use.  If nothing gets done, he can blame the House and the Progs can spin all they want but it’ll be clear they are the ones obstructing.  The next two years are going to be exciting.

Yes that makes perfect sense! Go on TV scream and yell about shutting down the government if you dont get your way and then expect the voters to believe its the house's fault when nothing gets done :lol: 

Trump's tantrum is going to make wonderful campaign ads clearly showing why nothing got done if that is indeed how it plays out.

 

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55 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Sometimes, they aren’t the best decisions.  As older companies leave, new ones will spring up and they will be more competitive.  In very much the same way you view the future of the YTs.  But that is a benefit of tariffs.  They rejuvenate manufacturing at home.  It’ll cut out the unhealthy top-heavy companies.  A nation cannot survive without manufacturing. 

Some good thoughts in your post.  This one needs  more examination.  Innovation and competition spur new companies, and a friendly environment helps them grow.  That means solid infrastructure and top notch education for the work force.  Removing regulations might help too.  The tariffs did not provide this.  In the case of steel, old companies are just taking the oldest plants out of mothballs because they can turn a profit at the 25% higher price.  If the trade disagreement results in China ceasing to dump steel on the world market below cost, that would be a good result for us, but it isn't revitalizing or modernizing our industries. 

The Chinese have set their sights on battery technology, electric car development, solar and wind energy generation, computers and robots.  In the future we will need to compete with that. Companies that see China as a huge market  for those things want a piece of it now.   GM will build cars in China for China.  China has 4 times the population of the US  So does India.  Both are racing toward high tech futures and both are tremendous markets for US businesses.  If there are tariff barriers, those companies will make their products in the countries they sell them in.  GM will provide 10,000 new jobs for Chinese in China and none for Americans in new GM plants at home.  They may have to higher a couple dozen accountants at headquarters to keep track of the money, but what do you bet those people will have to be bilingual?

 

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1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

That’s a mischaracterization.  Trump is in his element.  Trump is the Mohammad Ali of the political world.  He’ll take the punishment and still get what he wants.  After tiring out his opponent, he then goes in for the kill.

This is not two fighters in a ring RavenHawk this is a beat down.  The White House has said that the west wing will focus more on politics in the future than policies.  That is defensive.  The energy of the administration will be siphoned off by defense rather than crafting new policy  That is what I meant by damaged goods.  Whether you think it is fair or not, that is what is happening.

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10 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

They were embarrassed just like the majority of us were : for America because her POTUS is a child.

The majority of us was not embarrassed.  We were saying to ourselves “It’s about time!”  Pelosi and Schumer needed to be put in their places.  America has been waiting for a fighter in her POTUS.

 

Like I said this is how his base sees it, not so much for normal folks

If you haven’t noticed, his base is the Deplorables, the forgotten blue collar worker, the common man, fly-over country, us normal folks.  I suppose you missed just recently Trump signing the order to establish opportunity zone investing which will help Backs and Hispanics find a path to succeed and get off the Plantation.

 

Yes that makes perfect sense! Go on TV scream and yell about shutting down the government if you dont get your way and then expect the voters to believe its the house's fault when nothing gets done

I’ve been hearing from many federal workers.  They are in favor of shutting down the government to get the wall.  And it will be the Progs in the House that will be responsible if it doesn't happen.  I know Trump said that he’ll take responsibility and we’ll support him for that, but that won’t protect the Progs in the end.

 

Trump's tantrum is going to make wonderful campaign ads clearly showing why nothing got done if that is indeed how it plays out.

So when Obama said it would be his way or the highway, that wasn’t seen as the tantrum that it was?  At the time, Obama was the President.  This was one thing you had to begrudgingly give him.  Now Trump is President and he deserves the same respect.  If he has to take every Prog to the woodshed then so be it.  The people will stand by their President.  So please, spin all you want.

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1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

That is an inaccurate take on the increases of the market.  Obama signed off on a series of Quantitative Easing that ended up printing trillions of dollars of paper money.  Of course the market liked it, but it also devalued the dollar and it made the wealth gap increase.  Today, we are ‘paying the piper’ as we see the market headlong in correction.  Trump is betting that we can withstand this correction.  The economy is strong and growing.  GDP is over 3% which we haven’t seen in many years.  We will come out of this stronger than before.  But we need to stay-the-course and dig in.

Interesting take.  If the economy prospers, it is because President Trump is brilliant all powerful and cares about the average guy.    If his policies fail, it is somebody else at fault

If the markets loved Obama, it was because he screwed the middle class by printing money.  If the markets loved Trump, it was because he gave the middle class a wonderful tax cut that hardly benefited Trump and his friends at all.

 

Could you just pick one standard and stick to it.  Lets judge every president by the same rules.

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20 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The majority of us was not embarrassed.  We were saying to ourselves “It’s about time!”  Pelosi and Schumer needed to be put in their places.  America has been waiting for a fighter in her POTUS.

 

They do need to be put in their places. Trump has neither the gravitas nor the intellectual ability to do so. No one outside of his base takes him seriously.

20 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

If you haven’t noticed, his base is the Deplorables, the forgotten blue collar worker, the common man, fly-over country, us normal folks.  I suppose you missed just recently Trump signing the order to establish opportunity zone investing which will help Backs and Hispanics find a path to succeed and get off the Plantation.

SO many different ways to go with this ojne. Do I mock you for not being able to actually comprehend what Hillary said about deplorables, mock you for never even listening for yourself and just sheepily following the media narrative or do I assume you know what youre saying and youre openly admitting to being a bigot?

20 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

So when Obama said it would be his way or the highway, that wasn’t seen as the tantrum that it was?  At the time, Obama was the President.  This was one thing you had to begrudgingly give him.  Now Trump is President and he deserves the same respect.  If he has to take every Prog to the woodshed then so be it.  The people will stand by their President.  So please, spin all you want

Saying actual words and throwing rambling tantrums where you lie to try and prove your point while repeating mantras, after setting up an ambush press conference,  are not quite the same thing.

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On 12/11/2018 at 1:46 PM, Gromdor said:

Looks like we are going to have a government shutdown then.  Of course even those seem to be jokes these days.  Everyone gets off with back pay, basically.  https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/09/30/10-effects-of-a-federal-government-shutdown

What I love is when Chucky...who, for some reason reminds me of Gollum...tries to make an issue of shutting down the government and Trump just owns him saying...you know, what...I'll take that...I will be PROUD to take the blame for shutting down the government.  :clap:

See, we aren't talking about Social Security where the dems can scare all the old folks...we are talking about border security that affects Everyone.

He will get his money for the wall....my prediction....and I doubt there will be a government shutdown.  They just simply...underestimate Trump...as they always do.

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2 minutes ago, joc said:

What I love is when Chucky...who, for some reason reminds me of Gollum...tries to make an issue of shutting down the government and Trump just owns him saying...you know, what...I'll take that...I will be PROUD to take the blame for shutting down the government.  :clap:

See, we aren't talking about Social Security where the dems can scare all the old folks...we are talking about border security that affects Everyone.

Gollum baited him into saying it. Yes border security affects everyone, not everyone agrees the wall is necessary or even a good idea for border security though.

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22 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

If you haven’t noticed, his base is the Deplorables, the forgotten blue collar worker, the common man, fly-over country, us normal folks. 

There are normal folks all over the country.  There are normal folks worried about their futures, their jobs, and their families in all of the districts that elected Democrats to the house recently.  There are normal folks who don't like being told to speak English or go back to their own country when  they look a little different even though their great grandparents were born here.  There are normal folks who might take umbrage at you comment about getting Blacks and Hispanics off the plantation.  And I can almost guarantee you that one of   those forgotten supporters will  challenge that order to establish opportunity zones  claiming that it is affirmative action and hurts white people;  and it will go nowhere.

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1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Gollum baited him into saying it. Yes border security affects everyone, not everyone agrees the wall is necessary or even a good idea for border security though.

Israel certainly does.  The Vatican certainly does.   Gated communities seem to like walls.  Do you think walls are a bad idea?

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10 minutes ago, joc said:

Israel certainly does.  The Vatican certainly does.   Gated communities seem to like walls.  Do you think walls are a bad idea?

I think a wall across an area the size of our southern border isnt a great idea the nations you mentioned arent quite analogous due to their size.

The majority of illegal immigrants actually enter the nation legally and overstay their visas so its basically only somewhere around 30% of illegals which the wall may have an affect of stopping. Throw in the fact that the cartels will have had years of lead time to figure out how to evade the wall and I dont think its worth the cost financially and i know it isnt worth it environmentally.

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3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Yup. That' right, Farmer. And there are impatient people like me waiting for Trump to keep his campaign promise. That's what got him elected.

He has ways around the Dem obstruction. We know that.

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1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

I think a wall across an area the size of our southern border isnt a great idea the nations you mentioned arent quite analogous due to their size.

 

Trump also said it wasn't feasible to build a wall across the entire border as well...but  he also pointed out ///there are definitely places that would benefit from it.  The Wall is part of overall Border Security.

 

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The majority of illegal immigrants actually enter the nation legally and overstay their visas so its basically only somewhere around 30% of illegals which the wall may have an affect of stopping

The majority of illegals coming across our Mexican Border is an entirely different animal.  And even if what you said is correct...30% of millions of people is a lot of people...especially when you don't know who they are or why they are here.

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. Throw in the fact that the cartels will have had years of lead time to figure out how to evade the wall and I dont think its worth the cost financially and i know it isnt worth it environmentally.

That's kind of ridiculous thinking.  Oh well, you know...the Cartels...a wall can't stop them...they're like God....   pfffft

And how does the wall effect anything environmentally?

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3 hours ago, joc said:

What I love is when Chucky...who, for some reason reminds me of Gollum...tries to make an issue of shutting down the government and Trump just owns him saying...you know, what...I'll take that...I will be PROUD to take the blame for shutting down the government.  :clap:

See, we aren't talking about Social Security where the dems can scare all the old folks...we are talking about border security that affects Everyone.

He will get his money for the wall....my prediction....and I doubt there will be a government shutdown.  They just simply...underestimate Trump...as they always do.

My favorite was when Pelosi said "People are losing jobs, blah, blah.." And he called her on it...how ridiculous does she sound...unemployment is at the lowest it's been in 50 years. Over the years Ive gotten so tired of Dems lieing and the Reps being too polite to call them on it...you could tell she's used to saying anything that sounds like she wants, despite the facts, that she's unused to being held to account.  It just makes the whole group look untrustworthy. He also laughed when she said "This Trump shutdown...." again sooooooo obvious a manipulation  makes them look skeevy.  

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1 hour ago, joc said:

Israel certainly does.  The Vatican certainly does.   Gated communities seem to like walls.  Do you think walls are a bad idea?

Pelosi and Schumer live behind walls and have armed guards....I guess it's only good enough for them.

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1 minute ago, skliss said:

My favorite was when Pelosi said "People are losing jobs, blah, blah.." And he called her on it...how ridiculous does she sound...unemployment is at the lowest it's been in 50 years. Over the years Ive gotten so tired of Dems lieing and the Reps being too polite to call them on it...you could tell she's used to saying anything that sounds like she wants, despite the facts, that she's unused to being held to account.  It just makes the whole group look untrustworthy. He also laughed when she said "This Trump shutdown...." again sooooooo obvious a manipulation  makes them look skeevy.  

Oh and when Chucky said...The Washington Post had several articles about your pinnochio stance...on the wall already being built...And Trump just pffft The Washington Post and smiled knowingly...

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