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3 hours ago, Kismit said:

It was part of the Trump tower Moscow deal. 

A very considerable concept.  I'm of the opinion that Trump is a businessman first. And he is in lofty position to "get things done", if you know what I mean.

And Kismit, you know I'm a Trump supporter because he is mostly good in his push to do right for America. The sideline business interests he has are to me, non consequential to him doing his job... watching out for America - like no President has in a long while. If the left wants to criticize Trump for profiteering while POTUS, that's fine,, but I don't listen much to hypocrites that never saw that in the uber rich, Her God From Heaven Above, Hilary Clinton. 

The leftists in here say that such a posture that Trump has influences his decisions in order to help out brother Vlad... Ok, let's look.

Trump threw out sixty Russian diplomats in Washington

Trump opposed Russia in Syria had US troops in Syria kill 100 Russian conscripts

Trump opposed Russia in the Crimea, Ukraine.

Gee.. :huh: The leftist theory doesn't seem to be working too spiffy here!

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1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

A very considerable concept.  I'm of the opinion that Trump is a businessman first. And he is in lofty position to "get things done", if you know what I mean.

And Kismit, you know I'm a Trump supporter because he is mostly good in his push to do right for America. The sideline business interests he has are to me, non consequential to him doing his job... watching out for America - like no President has in a long while. If the left wants to criticize Trump for profiteering while POTUS, that's fine,, but I don't listen much to hypocrites that never saw that in the uber rich, Her God From Heaven Above, Hilary Clinton. 

The leftists in here say that such a posture that Trump has influences his decisions in order to help out brother Vlad... Ok, let's look.

Trump threw out sixty Russian diplomats in Washington

Trump opposed Russia in Syria had US troops in Syria kill 100 Russian conscripts

Trump opposed Russia in the Crimea, Ukraine.

Gee.. :huh: The leftist theory doesn't seem to be working too spiffy here!

Weak, servile Trump is the reason why Putin keeps accumulating army at Ukrainian border. If Russian aggression on Ukraine goes into open phase, it will be direct Trump's fault. 

Trump just decided to withdraw from Syria, essentially handing it to Russia, which was probably the proverbial drop that spilled the glass for Mattis. It was general Mattis who was saving your position and face, despite Trump's treason. 

Take a good look from the right or the left side at only these two facts and you'll see the same I do. Treason. 

You can't just rip the US out of the West, make it Russian province and claim it best deal ever. It's treason.   

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1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

The leftists in here say that such a posture that Trump has influences his decisions in order to help out brother Vlad... Ok, let's look.

Trump threw out sixty Russian diplomats in Washington

As a direct result of Congress condemning the Russian nerve agent attack in Britain, and passing a new law calling for extended sanctions against Russia.

And Trump was reportedly furious when he heard other countries hadn't expelled as many.
 

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Trump opposed Russia in Syria had US troops in Syria kill 100 Russian conscripts

Try 100 Russian mercenaries, who attacked a base with US personnel. Less Presidential order, more self-defense.
 

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Trump opposed Russia in the Crimea, Ukraine.

Trump literally changed his party's platform so the GOP wouldn't supporting arming the Ukraine.
 

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Gee.. :huh: The leftist theory doesn't seem to be working too spiffy here!

Perhaps you should try reading General Mattis's resignation letter.

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20 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Weak, servile Trump is the reason why Putin keeps accumulating army at Ukrainian border. If Russian aggression on Ukraine goes into open phase, it will be direct Trump's fault. 

"Weak servile Trump" --- LOL!  :D   Come on, Helen, he's a bullheaded as any president I can recall. You know the leftists all call him "dictator", right?   He also made a major increase in the military budget.

Russia is protecting its interests in Ukraine, which they have by popular vote. The West may have a different opinion BUT... let some *other* bleeping country do the dirty for a change, and go in there. Again, Trump is thinking about "America's interests" and I think he is right to avoid an all out invasion in Crimea. My opinion.

20 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Trump just decided to withdraw from Syria, essentially handing it to Russia, which was probably the proverbial drop that spilled the glass for Mattis. It was general Mattis who was saving your position and face, despite Trump's treason. 

Oh, Helen. That's just a matter of opinion. I jumped for happyhappy joyjoy when I read Trump was getting us out of that tinder box. Russia has been allied with Syria for a long long time, back to the sixties. What is the US supposed to do, blow up Moscow over it?  I thought when the USSR dissolved that America's continual chasing of the Ruskie boogie man would be gone for the forseeable future. Oopsie!!  Everything is either Trump's fault, Russia's fault, or both!  Crimminy.

20 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Take a good look from the right or the left side at only these two facts and you'll see the same I do. Treason. 

ROFLMAO!!!!   You're priceless, Helen :D    Treason... wow, I can see the libs lining up now to begin impeachment proceedings.

20 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

You can't just rip the US out of the West, make it Russian province and claim it best deal ever. It's treason.   

Oh, Helen. :(   Does this mean we've danced our last Bossa Nova together ??   I sure hope not!   Flyyabyeya!  :rolleyes:

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@Earl.Of.Trumps 

Treason. 

Soon proven in your court too. Personally, I have no idea how it works over there at your place, but I sure wish it's court-martial. 

That traitor of yours sold not just his own country, but also all American allies too, Eastern Europe included, for a ****ing promise of a ****ing hotel filled presumably with ****ing whores. 

I have no words that would express my disgust. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Tiggs said:

As a direct result of Congress condemning the Russian nerve agent attack in Britain, and passing a new law calling for extended sanctions against Russia.

And Trump was reportedly furious when he heard other countries hadn't expelled as many.
 

Try 100 Russian mercenaries, who attacked a base with US personnel. Less Presidential order, more self-defense.
 

Trump literally changed his party's platform so the GOP wouldn't supporting arming the Ukraine.
 

Perhaps you should try reading General Mattis's resignation letter.

Tiggs, I see nothing here that essentially changes what I said. 

As far as what general Mattis has said - I could CARE LESS!!!!    I know what war monger bozos we have in US military alleged "intelligence" in Washington. Yeah, the idiots that decided to blow up Syria because Assas dropped Sarin gas on civilians. Problem...  after inspection, it was shown that Sarin was NEVER USED, nor do I think they really know who did what at all.

I'm supposed to listen to this bleepin' jar head???? This war monger where all he sees are excuses to commit mass murder.    Please. A buffalo has more common sense.

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3 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

@Earl.Of.Trumps 

Treason. 

Soon proven in your court too. Personally, I have no idea how it works over there at your place, but I sure wish it's court-martial. 

That traitor of yours sold not just his own country, but also all American allies too, Eastern Europe included, for a ****ing promise of a ****ing hotel filled presumably with ****ing whores. 

I have no words that would express my disgust. 

 

Ho-lee COW, Helen.   You should see if you can come to America and get some of Sugar daddy Soros' money to campaign against Trump.   LOL you're a natural

If Trump stayed I'd have called him a war monger helping to push WWIII. Get.... the.... BLEEP... out of that god forsaken tinder box, ASAP

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52 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Ho-lee COW, Helen.   You should see if you can come to America and get some of Sugar daddy Soros' money to campaign against Trump.   LOL you're a natural

If Trump stayed I'd have called him a war monger helping to push WWIII. Get.... the.... BLEEP... out of that god forsaken tinder box, ASAP

Only thoroughly stupid people would truly believe one man, Soros, can be behind everyone who says Trump is a traitor. 

Because only thoroughly stupid people can't see Trump is a traitor. Not just an idiot, not just a ****ing moron (quoting Tillerson), not just an evil orange clown, serial bankrupter and adulterer, but also a full grown traitor. 

Soros's 'fault' fed to the stupid, panicky, racist audience is that he's a Jew. The real reason why he was chosen for the anti-Christ role by Russian propaganda machine is that he dared spend his own money to help Eastern Europe fight against totalitarian regimes. Former 'socialist' totalitarian regimes were only a screen for Russian imperialism and **** every rotten moron who dares forget that. 

  

Trump's faults are too numerous to list here, I've got better things to do, but the main is that he apparently is a traitor. 

I might be seeing things, but Mattis is far more informed than me. His letter is clear, to anyone not completely stupid. 

 

I also hope there will be consequences for the active supporters of the treason.  

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2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Tiggs, I see nothing here that essentially changes what I said. 

The first is a bill passed by a veto-proof congressional majority. Short of throwing the entire constitution out of the window -- not much the President can do, except sign it into law.

The second was a self-defense combat situation. Not an action that occurred due to Trump ordering the military to attack.

The third -- which was Trump's active choice -- weakened American support for Ukraine, with Russia sitting on its doorstep.

I don't think any of those are particularly good examples of Trump actively choosing to oppose Russia.

Not saying there aren't any. Just saying it's not those.
 

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

As far as what general Mattis has said - I could CARE LESS!!!!    I know what war monger bozos we have in US military alleged "intelligence" in Washington. Yeah, the idiots that decided to blow up Syria because Assas dropped Sarin gas on civilians. Problem...  after inspection, it was shown that Sarin was NEVER USED, nor do I think they really know who did what at all.

I'm supposed to listen to this bleepin' jar head???? This war monger where all he sees are excuses to commit mass murder.    Please. A buffalo has more common sense.

Someone once told me that the reason we fight our enemies in the far-flung corners of the world, is so that we don't have to fight them here.

I'm not an expert on military tactics, or the Middle East -- but I'd imagine letting ISIS get their hands on jet planes would be a pretty bad idea.

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11 hours ago, joc said:

At least you got one sentence correct.

Yep, I thought so.  I kept telling myself while writing my post that I was just wasting minutes of my life because any attempt to make you see some rationale would have been wasted.  Then the devil in me kept on saying do it, do it.  Won't be listening to that inner demon again.  <_<

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6 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

....Take a good look from the right or the left side at only these two facts and you'll see the same I do. Treason. 

You can't just rip the US out of the West, make it Russian province and claim it best deal ever. It's treason.   

No, it is not. 

Treason: Noun. the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.

In what way is Trump's decision to withdraw troops from Syria a betrayal of the USA, or an attempt to kill or overthrow the Congress ? 

You may disagree with his decision, but to class it as treason is an abuse of the English language, to say nothing of a pretty severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome :) 

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6 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

"Weak servile Trump" --- LOL!  :D   Come on, Helen, he's a bullheaded as any president I can recall. You know the leftists all call him "dictator", right?   He also made a major increase in the military budget.

Russia is protecting its interests in Ukraine, which they have by popular vote. The West may have a different opinion BUT... let some *other* bleeping country do the dirty for a change, and go in there. Again, Trump is thinking about "America's interests" and I think he is right to avoid an all out invasion in Crimea. My opinion.

 

EOT, there are currently 17 investigations relating to his Nomination and personnel fraudulent family business.  Since he's been POTUS over 40 people in his Administration have been sacked or resigned because they either didn't fit his mold or weren't comfortable working with a leader who shows symptoms of bipolar with directional changes in his decisions that nobody understands.  He's paranoid and believes everyone is out to get him just for reporting standard news and listens to no one.  Under his Presidency he's managed to divide your nation by stirring up hatred between groups through his tweets and speeches and lets not forget the way he targeted and belittled minorities, gender and anyone that didn't fit his rich, white, male model.

In two years of Presidency he's managed to turn on long time world allies and make friends with criminal dictators (N Korea) or support and defend them (SA) against everybody's recommendation. 

His tariff war has driven stocks almost into bear market territory, the loss of the House (and approved financial funding) and a possible Govt shutdown may lead your economy into a recession and cause a global financial crisis and this is where mostly my interests of his Presidency come into play. 

Now he's pulling troops out of the ME.  The staunch Conservatives are still blaming Obama for being weak, unpatriotic and for creating a vacuum in Iraq after pulling troops out despite the fact surveys at the time showed that most Americans wanted them to leave Iraq.  I bet you won't hear a whisper now from those same patriots!

This, only in two years at the helm and above all none of his major campaign promises have been met so far.  The economy was the only thing on track but if a recession hits...

What positives you see in his Presidency is a mystery to me.  If anything I believe China and Russia would love he lasts for another two years and a second term.

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  16 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

You need to catch up man.  Left and Right aren't what they were back in the 60's, 70's and 80's or earlier.  Populism is the new creed.  Even Trump's politics are populist which isn't necessarily Right or Left Wing and which is probably the reason why hardcore Republicans weren't too enthusiastic when he won the Nomination.  Both fascism and marxism have failed as ideologies in modern society and what you see today in western nations are parties inspired by left and right wing traits but no where near the typical ideology subscribed by Carl Marx or Benito Mussolini,  Most 'lefty' standards in western political parties follow Socialist principals while right wing parties tend to be more nationalistic and conservative, some more extreme than others, but nothing like fascism in principal and, above all our democratic process inhibits totalitarian control from either extremes of the spectrum.  Places like North Korea who proclaim to be Communists are simply a family run dictatorship.  The Middle Eastern theocracies where democracy is barely existent are not political parties.  China started off with Communist ideologies but then discovered capitalism, which thanks to their cheap labor and profitable exports in manufacturing boosted their economy.  The Communist party controls all the finances and makes it a state run capitalist corporation. The principals of Capitalism and Communism are as far apart as the North and South Pole.

At least you got one sentence correct.

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4 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

Yep, I thought so.  I kept telling myself while writing my post that I was just wasting minutes of my life because any attempt to make you see some rationale would have been wasted.  Then the devil in me kept on saying do it, do it.  Won't be listening to that inner demon again.  <_<

Look out BRD...I know you can't see the Forest but those Trees have a tendency to swack you in the forehead when you least expect it.

Yeah...that's right...it is you who can't see the Forest for the Trees....and you cannot see the elephant in the living room...look closely...it is posing as the big comfy couch that you are lounging on.  That Big Cozy Couch is...Moscow.   It's a trap BRD...Socialism is a trap of the Left...man, am I the only one who hasn't fallen for it hook, line and sinker?   Can you not see that Putin is the enemy not Trump?  you cannot see because of the blinders the leftist propaganda machine aka Main Stream Press has placed on you...constantly telling you only what they want you to hear...the narrative they want instilled in your brain...wake up!

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13 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


I agree fully there are some very questionable aspects in the particular details of this plan to say the least, but as you state yourself; it is in itself quite a noble idea. Thesame can be said about Communism, and Capitalism; thesame details, or specific form it takes, dictates if it is 'bad' or 'good'.

Capitalism can be just as much a tool for evil as Communism can. And they both are.

PS.

Please dont try and push my in the opposite corner of what you are claiming, which is the delusion Communism is and Communists are inherently evil.

Capitalism isn't evil...some capitalist are.   Communism is evil...some Communists aren't.  Does that work better for you?

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15 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


So not subscribing to your extremized / simplified forms of both concepts (Holy Capitalism Vs Evil Communism) makes people a Commie, or 'a Communist fan' at the very least. Dude, you got some serious issues, I take offence to that.

Maybe I should also take this moment to re- affirm I am gainfully employed and need no one to support me and mine, before you jump to the conclusion I am a welfare leech for my 'theres nothing wrong with the strong helping the weak' position.

 

I didn't mean to imply you were a Communist.  It's okay if you are.  What I said was a fan of Socialism/communism over Capitalism.  I also articulated earlier that I was sure that you would not want to give up your possessions for the Communist way of life.  

All I know about Communism is what Stalin and Mao and others have taught me.  it's evil.  I don't think you are evil.  The ideology is inherently evil...a noble idea that doesn't work and is a destructive mechanism toward the very freedom that Capitalism allows.

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10 minutes ago, joc said:
  16 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

You need to catch up man.  Left and Right aren't what they were back in the 60's, 70's and 80's or earlier.  Populism is the new creed.  Even Trump's politics are populist which isn't necessarily Right or Left Wing and which is probably the reason why hardcore Republicans weren't too enthusiastic when he won the Nomination.  Both fascism and marxism have failed as ideologies in modern society and what you see today in western nations are parties inspired by left and right wing traits but no where near the typical ideology subscribed by Carl Marx or Benito Mussolini,  Most 'lefty' standards in western political parties follow Socialist principals while right wing parties tend to be more nationalistic and conservative, some more extreme than others, but nothing like fascism in principal and, above all our democratic process inhibits totalitarian control from either extremes of the spectrum.  Places like North Korea who proclaim to be Communists are simply a family run dictatorship.  The Middle Eastern theocracies where democracy is barely existent are not political parties.  China started off with Communist ideologies but then discovered capitalism, which thanks to their cheap labor and profitable exports in manufacturing boosted their economy.  The Communist party controls all the finances and makes it a state run capitalist corporation. The principals of Capitalism and Communism are as far apart as the North and South Pole.

At least you got one sentence correct.

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Go through every other sentence, from @Black Red Devil , negate it and we have what you believe is correct.

Particularly Bird's assessment of NK, ME Theocracies and China.

Russia had a one trick pony through the Cold War and still do. USA always had their measure. Yet they're still the bogeyman.

It's confusing why the international loan sharking that is OBOR doesn't worry anybody. Maybe, because China aren't speaking with guns.

 

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On 12/19/2018 at 12:54 AM, Tatetopa said:

Are we coming to an age of no secrets and no privacy?

I think we're headed for a time when the government has total control.  It was predicted a long time ago.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  

The biometric technology will make this possible in our lifetimes.  

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49 minutes ago, and then said:

The biometric technology will make this possible in our lifetimes.  

Yep. It will likely happen.  I am not crazy about the idea.  I don't think I have anything to hide, I simply don't want to surrender total power to an organization or government.

I suppose on the bright side, it would solve the immigration problem.  Anybody here illegally could not make transactions  and surveillance cameras would zone in pretty quickly.  Same with terrorists.   The question is, will people sign up for this to be free of fear?

I suppose I am too old fashion but I think the risk of misuse is too high for the safety it offers.  

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9 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

No, it is not. 

Treason: Noun. the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.

In what way is Trump's decision to withdraw troops from Syria a betrayal of the USA, or an attempt to kill or overthrow the Congress ? 

You may disagree with his decision, but to class it as treason is an abuse of the English language, to say nothing of a pretty severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome :) 

I think I managed to choose the right word, though learning your language is only a hobby for me. 

Treason, being the crime of betraying one's country, is clearly what Trump committed. And keeps committing, with his decision to withdraw US forces from Syria too. 

His whole political existence consists of childish but desperate attempts to please Putin, which includes working against US interests. That's treason. Just because he can't really do it right, doesn't make his treason less treasonous. ( https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/treasonous

I couldn't care less what lawyers will lawyer out of this, what I do care is that the ****ing president of the US has betrayed Western alliance, which includes my country too. 

 

Deranged are those who think they will go unscathed or even profit from this treason. 

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1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

I think I managed to choose the right word, though learning your language is only a hobby for me. 

Treason, being the crime of betraying one's country, is clearly what Trump committed. And keeps committing, with his decision to withdraw US forces from Syria too. 

His whole political existence consists of childish but desperate attempts to please Putin, which includes working against US interests. That's treason. Just because he can't really do it right, doesn't make his treason less treasonous. ( https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/treasonous

I couldn't care less what lawyers will lawyer out of this, what I do care is that the ****ing president of the US has betrayed Western alliance, which includes my country too. 

 

Deranged are those who think they will go unscathed or even profit from this treason. 

Except that non of that is objectively true. 

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6 hours ago, joc said:

Look out BRD...I know you can't see the Forest but those Trees have a tendency to swack you in the forehead when you least expect it.

Yeah...that's right...it is you who can't see the Forest for the Trees....and you cannot see the elephant in the living room...look closely...it is posing as the big comfy couch that you are lounging on.  That Big Cozy Couch is...Moscow.   It's a trap BRD...Socialism is a trap of the Left...man, am I the only one who hasn't fallen for it hook, line and sinker?   Can you not see that Putin is the enemy not Trump?  you cannot see because of the blinders the leftist propaganda machine aka Main Stream Press has placed on you...constantly telling you only what they want you to hear...the narrative they want instilled in your brain...wake up!


Dear lord.. Joc, dude, havent we just seen page after page of you consistently painting the left and right with a three mile brush, numerous people pointing that out with clearcut facts and underwriting citations, only for you to machine gun thesame blindsided Evil Communism / Holy Capitalism rhetoric over and over again? And 'not the Joc' (ie. everyone else on this thread) are supposed to be blindsided propaganda victims for not believing in 'Evil Communism' and 'Evil Russia / Putin'?!

Conditioning often results in increasing generalizations, increasing loss of nuance, oversimplification of reality. This side is 'good', that side is 'bad'. Black, white, up, down. Guess what youve been doing ad naseum, almost without exception, throughout this thread.. Not only that, when your posts are criticized you immediately jump to the conclusion everyone else on this thread has 'fallen for it hook line & sinker', completely ignoring the very real possibility you are in fact the one being served the koolaid, being blindsided (especially given this whole thread more or less attests to that (grave generalizations)).

Let me ask you this though, what are the foremost media channels you use to get your daily / weekly news?

 

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43 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Except that non of that is objectively true. 

Objectively, president Reek put his short tail between his wobbly legs and got out of Syria because Putin told him so. 

There was zero objective reasons for the Americans to abandon their base, and that base doesn't even have to produce any military effect, as in stopping genocide, it just had to sit there, making the US stay at least a shadow of former self at the international stage. 

A country of the US size cannot simply decide to sink into geopolitical autism - I'm not defending any imperialism, I'm pointing out the sudden destruction of balance will be devastating even for those who half-accidentally but deliberately induced it (Russia).   

Objectively, the white nationalism movement Trump is supposed to lead and Putin is supposed to support is one of those typically Russian, unbelievably cheeky, deeply sarcastic propaganda stories I can't help but laugh at its pathetic victims. Objectively. 

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6 hours ago, joc said:

Look out BRD...I know you can't see the Forest but those Trees have a tendency to swack you in the forehead when you least expect it.

Yeah...that's right...it is you who can't see the Forest for the Trees....and you cannot see the elephant in the living room...look closely...it is posing as the big comfy couch that you are lounging on.  That Big Cozy Couch is...Moscow.   It's a trap BRD...Socialism is a trap of the Left...man, am I the only one who hasn't fallen for it hook, line and sinker?   Can you not see that Putin is the enemy not Trump?  you cannot see because of the blinders the leftist propaganda machine aka Main Stream Press has placed on you...constantly telling you only what they want you to hear...the narrative they want instilled in your brain...wake up!

Putin is as bad as Trump, only smarter and Russia isn't even a 'lefty' nation.  As I said, you need an upgrade.  The old Soviet days finished some 30 years ago.  The major Party now is called United Russia and they claim Russian Nationalism and Conservatism as their ideology and deny being Left or Right wing.  They're a state run capitalist country, therefore they can't be neither Communists nor Socialists and United Russia, which is Putin's Party and it's been so successful through recent elections, although many dispute the integrity of the results (and how they manage the country's economy and finances), that it runs the nation almost like China's mono system Communist Party. 

So basically, it's more like a fascist regime run by a Party full of crooks with Putin it's dictator and Medvedev and other United Russia affiliates his cronies.

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