'Walt' E. Kurtz Posted December 18, 2018 #126 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, and then said: If you are a Swedish man, you should be ashamed of the way the women in your country are being abused by these immigrants. Governments, Federal or local are designed for one ultimate purpose. They are supposed to protect the citizens. When they fail in that duty it's up to the men to fight to protect their women. You're hardly alone in that group. Germans, French, and even Brits seem to be looking the other way. I guess it's in fear of their government jailing them. It's still a I am not defending any religion the fact all muslims are not extremist the demonization of immigrants has been a classic tactic used to scare white people by right wing parties for a very long time. I suspect you live in the US? With a population of 10 million Sweden is still among one of the safest and friendliest countrys in europe to visit we dont have any no go areas. what we have here is vulnerable areas. If you look at the some what skewed statistics of crimes and sexual crimes here during 2017 there was a total of, 22 000 reported and out of them a total of 7370 were cases of rape surely all of them must have been commited only by muslim immigrants........ regardless of this women in Sweden feel fairly safe it was also ranked in 2017 as the best place in the world for women. What sometimes make women and men here feel insecure is the increase of violent crimes the truth is that any city in the world can be dangerous and that many of the violent crimes here is gang related. I am not saying that we are the best country in the world without any problems sadly Sweden is no longer what it used to be. Edited December 18, 2018 by Avalanche 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Walt' E. Kurtz Posted December 18, 2018 #127 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Note as i wrote the statistics of rape in Sweden is skewed and fake spread by people across the world who call themself " friends of Sweden " These are FAKE news !!! spread by a right wing party. If you have any questions regarding Sweden you can always ask me :-) or for none skewed statistics check the swedish stastistic bureau https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted December 18, 2018 #128 Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 hours ago, odas said: There is a islamic world council and there are islamic councils by state. Most state/country councils deal with the aproval of a translation of the quran. While the "terror" translation does apear in a number of english translation there are translation with the word "fear" instead. Khawf is the word for fear in arabic and as such is translated in the bosnian version of the quran. Who is right? and there's the rub god gave his message in a language that not even native Arabic speakers can agree on, why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted December 18, 2018 #129 Share Posted December 18, 2018 6 hours ago, third_eye said: That's a bit unfair to him, after all he has only 30 years to study, how can he be expected to have learned of that .... ~ Jealousy is very unbecoming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 18, 2018 #130 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, hetrodoxly said: Jealousy is very unbecoming. Is that something you learned from studying the Quran for 30 years ? ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted December 18, 2018 #131 Share Posted December 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, third_eye said: Is that something you learned from studying the Quran for 30 years ? ~ No, the Quran said 'kill you' because you're pretending to be a Muslim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 18, 2018 #132 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, hetrodoxly said: No, the Quran said 'kill you' because you're pretending to be a Muslim. Maybe you need to study the Quran for another 30 years ... ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted December 18, 2018 #133 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, third_eye said: Maybe you need to study the Quran for another 30 years ... ~ Maybe you ought to start learning it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 18, 2018 #134 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, hetrodoxly said: Maybe you ought to start learning it. Oh i don't need to, I can learn from you ... ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted December 18, 2018 #135 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, third_eye said: Oh i don't need to, I can learn from you ... ~ You've come to your senses, it's never to late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 18, 2018 #136 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Just now, hetrodoxly said: You've come to your senses, it's never to late. Of course, too bad its a wee bit too late for you ... thanks for the lessons ~ Edited December 18, 2018 by third_eye dang keyboard skipped key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted December 18, 2018 #137 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, third_eye said: Of course, to bad its a wee bit too late for you ... thanks for the lessons ~ It's never to late for me, if you need anymore lessons give me a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 18, 2018 #138 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, hetrodoxly said: It's never to late for me, if you need anymore lessons give me a call. Call you what ? I know ... I'll call you a recalcitrant Quranic Scholar ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted December 18, 2018 #139 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, third_eye said: Call you what ? I know ... I'll call you a recalcitrant Quranic Scholar ~ It's you that calls names and refuses to debate, you're just full of hot air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 18, 2018 #140 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, hetrodoxly said: It's you that calls names and refuses to debate, you're just full of hot air. THat's what I debate hot air with, with hotter air Bet you didn't learn that on your 30 year study of the Quran now did you ? ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted December 18, 2018 #141 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Being a desert religion, I would imagine the Koran is quite big on hot air ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 18, 2018 #142 Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Being a desert religion, I would imagine the Koran is quite big on hot air ? Learn more in 30 minutes without the hot air ... Quote ~ Paradise As a Garden by Moynihan, Elizabeth B - Biblio.com https://www.biblio.com › Moynihan, Elizabeth B Paradise As a Garden: In Persia and Mughal India (World Landscape Art and Architecture Series). Elizabeth B. Moynihan. 1980-07-06. Good. Ships with ... ~ Paradise as a garden : in Persia and Mughal India / Elizabeth B ... www.afghandata.org:8080/xmlui/handle/azu/4754 Paradise as a garden : in Persia and Mughal India / Elizabeth B. Moynihan. ... Restoration of the Nemla garden (interior irrigation system) / prepared by A. Hasib ... ~ https://www.wmf.org/video/paradise-gardens-great-mughals [00.43:47] ~ ~ Well ... slightly more than 30 minutes ... ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted December 18, 2018 #143 Share Posted December 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, third_eye said: Learn more in 30 minutes without the hot air ... ~ Well ... slightly more than 30 minutes ... ~ Why thank you, third_eye ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 18, 2018 #144 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, RoofGardener said: Why thank you, third_eye ! Most welcome Roofie ! ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted December 18, 2018 #145 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, RoofGardener said: Being a desert religion, I would imagine the Koran is quite big on hot air ? Yes. And Judaism and Christianity originated in the Wall Street area? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted December 18, 2018 #146 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, hetrodoxly said: Who is right? and there's the rub god gave his message in a language that not even native Arabic speakers can agree on, why? You really did not learn much in those "30" years, eh? I am talking about translation in other languages and...ah ef it you would not understand it anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted December 18, 2018 #147 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, odas said: Yes. And Judaism and Christianity originated in the Wall Street area? Well, considering the time frame, it would have to have been the Wailing Wall Street area ? Edited December 18, 2018 by RoofGardener 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted December 18, 2018 #148 Share Posted December 18, 2018 8 hours ago, odas said: You really did not learn much in those "30" years, eh? It appears more than you. 8 hours ago, odas said: I am talking about translation in other languages and...ah ef it you would not understand it anyway. Arabic scholars have been disagreeing on the contents, the meaning and translation of the Quran since uthman burnt all the contradicting Qurans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted December 18, 2018 #149 Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 hours ago, third_eye said: 11 hours ago, third_eye said: Paradise As a Garden: In Persia Persia, the land of my favourite poet, this quatrain from his Rubaiyat brings you to mind. And do you think that unto such as you; A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew: God gave the secret, and denied it me?— Well, well, what matters it! Believe that, too. Omar Khayyam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Walt' E. Kurtz Posted December 19, 2018 #150 Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, RoofGardener said: Being a desert religion, I would imagine the Koran is quite big on hot air ? All religions is mate....... i wish extremist could take this video and use it in their schools and follow this exampel instead of harming others. Edited December 19, 2018 by Avalanche 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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