Nukuson Posted December 15, 2018 #1 Share Posted December 15, 2018 So, there are evidences of interaction between North African and American peoples - for instance, the pyramids, the long-shaped skulls, even such simple things as "afro-caribbean hair" - which suggests that Africans and Caribbean are genetically related. Now, the fact that they found the long skulls on Antarctica. It's still not a proof - they could get there some other way, or that story could have been fake - even if there was a living scientist that discovered them, Antarctica is the right place for forging archaeological discoveries, isn't it? Anyway, there are no written stories of contact between Americans and Mediterraneans - apart from the Atlantis ones. So, it would be easier to believe that Atlantis really existed, rather than that it's just a legend. And, the DNA matters. In chromosome Y, the R1 haplogroup is common both in Europeans and Native Americans. What makes matters even better, in Europe, it is most common in and around Poland - which could suggest an exclusive contact between Native Americans and Slavs in prehistory? Additionally, a written manuscript in Sumerian language was found in south America - which proves that there was a contact between Middle East and Americas. So, myself, I'd say that Atlantis was a real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted December 15, 2018 #2 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Any sources on these eh suggested claims? Preferably peer reviewed sources? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted December 15, 2018 #3 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Links or sources please? 6 minutes ago, Nukuson said: Anyway, there are no written stories of contact between Americans and Mediterraneans - apart from the Atlantis ones. So, it would be easier to believe that Atlantis really existed, rather than that it's just a legend. I don't understand the logic of this statement. Also, what written stories do we have from Atlantis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 15, 2018 #4 Share Posted December 15, 2018 The Antartica skull was a hoax: https://www.*** blocked ***/news/weird/693091/The-shocking-claim-mystery-skulls-found-in-Antarctica-could-be-from-aliens The pyramids were used for TOTALLY different purposes, in Egypt they were tombs while in Mexico they were focal points for ritual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted December 15, 2018 #5 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: in Egypt they were tombs while in Mexico they were focal points for ritual. I could be mistaken, but weren't some of the South American pyramids used as tombs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted December 15, 2018 #6 Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: I could be mistaken, but weren't some of the South American pyramids used as tombs? Some were, but I've read a number of articles hypothesising that the likes of Caral had 'protectors' buried alive. So they weren't really tombs. Edited December 15, 2018 by danydandan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted December 15, 2018 #7 Share Posted December 15, 2018 They were, to the 'protectors'.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted December 16, 2018 #8 Share Posted December 16, 2018 One day, I’m going to go insane and just start tattooing “Use the Damn Search Function” on the backs of the eyelids of all new posters. —Jaylemurph 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted December 16, 2018 #9 Share Posted December 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: One day, I’m going to go insane and just start tattooing “Use the Damn Search Function” on the backs of the eyelids of all new posters. —Jaylemurph Give over! We all know your already insane. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted December 16, 2018 #10 Share Posted December 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, Nukuson said: So, there are evidences of interaction between North African and American peoples - for instance, the pyramids, the long-shaped skulls, even such simple things as "afro-caribbean hair" - which suggests that Africans and Caribbean are genetically related. Now, the fact that they found the long skulls on Antarctica. It's still not a proof - they could get there some other way, or that story could have been fake - even if there was a living scientist that discovered them, Antarctica is the right place for forging archaeological discoveries, isn't it? Anyway, there are no written stories of contact between Americans and Mediterraneans - apart from the Atlantis ones. So, it would be easier to believe that Atlantis really existed, rather than that it's just a legend. And, the DNA matters. In chromosome Y, the R1 haplogroup is common both in Europeans and Native Americans. What makes matters even better, in Europe, it is most common in and around Poland - which could suggest an exclusive contact between Native Americans and Slavs in prehistory? Additionally, a written manuscript in Sumerian language was found in south America - which proves that there was a contact between Middle East and Americas. So, myself, I'd say that Atlantis was a real thing. No, Antarctica has been covered by ice for longer than humans have existed. Learn something about genetics before you mangle it on an internet forum. Especially since the bold portion is embarrassingly wrong. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted December 16, 2018 #11 Share Posted December 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, danydandan said: Give over! We all know your already insane. No, no, no, he is 'alternatively sane' 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 16, 2018 #12 Share Posted December 16, 2018 59 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: I could be mistaken, but weren't some of the South American pyramids used as tombs? Well, perhaps “meant to be tombs and meant to be temples” because one has had bodies uncovered in it, and the other hasn’t - and it wasn’t the tomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted December 16, 2018 #13 Share Posted December 16, 2018 OP went all over the continents, and in the end said, 'so, there is an Atlantis' Maybe I drink too much. Or not enough!? 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 16, 2018 #14 Share Posted December 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: OP went all over the continents, and in the end said, 'so, there is an Atlantis' Maybe I drink too much. Or not enough!? Impossible, he never went to Greenland. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Harry Posted December 16, 2018 #15 Share Posted December 16, 2018 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: So, there are evidences of interaction between North African and American peoples - for instance, the pyramids, the long-shaped skulls, even such simple things as "afro-caribbean hair" - which suggests that Africans and Caribbean are genetically related. Now, the fact that they found the long skulls on Antarctica. It's still not a proof - they could get there some other way, or that story could have been fake - even if there was a living scientist that discovered them, Antarctica is the right place for forging archaeological discoveries, isn't it? Anyway, there are no written stories of contact between Americans and Mediterraneans - apart from the Atlantis ones. So, it would be easier to believe that Atlantis really existed, rather than that it's just a legend. And, the DNA matters. In chromosome Y, the R1 haplogroup is common both in Europeans and Native Americans. What makes matters even better, in Europe, it is most common in and around Poland - which could suggest an exclusive contact between Native Americans and Slavs in prehistory? Additionally, a written manuscript in Sumerian language was found in south America - which proves that there was a contact between Middle East and Americas. So, myself, I'd say that Atlantis was a real thing. What long skulls on Antarctica? Link to scientific journal please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post +Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted December 16, 2018 Popular Post #16 Share Posted December 16, 2018 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: So, there are evidences of interaction between North African and American peoples Not really and the Atlanteans were neither American, nor North African, according to Plato's story. 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: - for instance, the pyramids, Pyramids are a very basic structure and in ancient time it was the only way to build tall buildings. Do you also find it mysterious that we find square structure all around the world ? Or round structures ? 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: the long-shaped skulls, How on Earth does that prove Atlantis ? There is no mention of long-shaped skulls in Plato's account. 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: even such simple things as "afro-caribbean hair" - which suggests that Africans and Caribbean are genetically related. There are a lot of people with African descend in the Carribean, but they only got there within the last 400 years. Again not in any way related to Atlantis. 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: Now, the fact that they found the long skulls on Antarctica. You have a very loose definition of fact. 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: It's still not a proof - they could get there some other way, or that story could have been fake - even if there was a living scientist that discovered them, Antarctica is the right place for forging archaeological discoveries, isn't it? It's a fake. 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: Anyway, there are no written stories of contact between Americans and Mediterraneans - apart from the Atlantis ones. The Atlantis story does not mention the Americas 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: So, it would be easier to believe that Atlantis really existed, rather than that it's just a legend. Only if you disregard everything we know of geology, biology, history and acheology. 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: And, the DNA matters. In chromosome Y, the R1 haplogroup is common both in Europeans and Native Americans. Yeah its not like there have been any contact between European and native Americans in the last 500 years.......... 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: What makes matters even better, in Europe, it is most common in and around Poland - which could suggest an exclusive contact between Native Americans and Slavs in prehistory? Yes the Poles are famous for their explorations............ 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: Additionally, a written manuscript in Sumerian language was found in south America - which proves that there was a contact between Middle East and Americas. Your source for that claim ? Anyway Sumeria was much later than Atlantis was supposed to be. 22 hours ago, Nukuson said: So, myself, I'd say that Atlantis was a real thing. Thats true. Atlantis is a real thing. Spoiler 9 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted December 16, 2018 #17 Share Posted December 16, 2018 23 hours ago, Nukuson said: So, there are evidences of interaction between North African and American peoples - for instance, the pyramids, the long-shaped skulls, even such simple things as "afro-caribbean hair" - which suggests that Africans and Caribbean are genetically related. Welcome to UM, Nukuson. I've read your OP and wish to add a few comments, but it does concern me that you more or less posted the OP and then disappeared. There are a number of posts issuing challenges to your OP. Do you wish to address them? First, there really isn't evidence of interaction between the two hemispheres in ancient times. Such an idea was popular many, many years ago but hods no merit in modern scholarship. It is really only questionable fringe writers who entertain the idea today. The introduction of African DNA to the Caribbean has occurred in relatively modern times (recent centuries) but not in ancient times. Do you have a link to provide sufficient research that might support your idea. Quote Now, the fact that they found the long skulls on Antarctica. It's still not a proof - they could get there some other way, or that story could have been fake - even if there was a living scientist that discovered them, Antarctica is the right place for forging archaeological discoveries, isn't it? Long skulls have not been found in Antarctica, nor have any ancient human remains as far as I know. I'd ask you to supply your source for this, but it's going to be wrong anyway. Antarctica has been encased in ice for millions of years, long before modern humans even existed. In sum total Antarctica would be a very poor source for archaeological investigation due to its very limited scope for human activity, but it's a rich source for numerous other sciences. Quote Anyway, there are no written stories of contact between Americans and Mediterraneans - apart from the Atlantis ones. So, it would be easier to believe that Atlantis really existed, rather than that it's just a legend. The Atlantis story has nothing at all to do with the Western Hemisphere or its history. The Plato was invented by the Classical Greek philosopher Plat, and he is detailed in describing its placement outside the Pillars of Hercules. It is therefore a Greek story from start to finish. Have you even read Plato's dialogs? Quote And, the DNA matters. In chromosome Y, the R1 haplogroup is common both in Europeans and Native Americans. What makes matters even better, in Europe, it is most common in and around Poland - which could suggest an exclusive contact between Native Americans and Slavs in prehistory? DNA is not my strong suit so I'd leave this to those who know the information better than most of us—namely cormac. I believe he's already commented, above. Quote Additionally, a written manuscript in Sumerian language was found in south America - which proves that there was a contact between Middle East and Americas. This is most definitely wrong. The Sumerians were not even ocean goers. Why would they venture to the other side of the planet? Care to share your source? Quote So, myself, I'd say that Atlantis was a real thing. Many here do, and they continue to be wrong. One fo the main failings is that they don't even know Plato's work and therefore stray comically and wildly from the details he himself provides in his allegory. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted December 16, 2018 #18 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Lord Harry said: What long skulls on Antarctica? Link to scientific journal please? Perhaps this is a reference to seal bones? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windowpane Posted December 17, 2018 #19 Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: ...... Yes the Poles are famous for their explorations ............ Well ... There was Marco Polo ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulduggery Posted December 17, 2018 #20 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Thanks, History Channel. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post +Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted December 17, 2018 Popular Post #21 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Windowpane said: Well ... There was Marco Polo ... No he was Irish. Its pronounced Marc O'Polo. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotic Jew Posted December 17, 2018 #22 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Atlantis is New Jersey... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted December 17, 2018 #23 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) On 12/15/2018 at 6:40 PM, Sir Wearer of Hats said: The Antartica skull was a hoax: https://www.*** blocked ***/news/weird/693091/The-shocking-claim-mystery-skulls-found-in-Antarctica-could-be-from-aliens The pyramids were used for TOTALLY different purposes, in Egypt they were tombs while in Mexico they were focal points for ritual. Well, Sir Sir, here is not the time and place to get into a sub thread on the topic but there is no real evidence that the Egyptian pyramids were used as tombs. I am going to do a thread in here soon, I hope that brings into question the "WHY's" and "HOW's" of the Egyptian pyramids. There is no obvious answer, as to WHY the pyramids, IMO. Edited December 17, 2018 by Earl.Of.Trumps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison Posted December 17, 2018 #24 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I'm not one to take Plato's tale of Atlantis literally, but there is a certain interesting passage in the Timaios: 'The island was larger than Libya and Asia together, and was the way to other islands, and from the islands you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounds the true ocean; for this within the straits is only a harbor, having a narrow entrance, but that other is the real sea, and the surrounding land may most truly called a continent.' The 'straits' referred to appear to be the narrow passage at the western end of the Mediterranean Sea (The Pillars of Herakles) and the 'harbor' to the Mediterranean, itself. 'The opposite continent' across the 'true ocean' bears a marked resemblance to North and South America, and the way that they more or less surround the Atlantic Ocean. How was Plato, whose geographical knowledge is supposed to have barely reached the Straits of Gibraltar and the western coast of Spain, in a position to describe the true scale of the Atlantic Ocean, relative to the Mediterranean Sea? How could he have known that a huge continent (actually North and South America, joined) surrounded this ocean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted December 17, 2018 #25 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Good questions, Bison. I wonder what their concept of Lybia and Asia were? If the island is that big, it's not an island LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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