Covert missions in Iran

[Mekorig]

Thats right Zephyr.

And Homer, you are one of the few voices of reason in this forum. Are you right wing or center, because i found very few right wings how razone outside their little box.

[zephyr]

Hello   Iran is to begin  new and very sensitive round of talks with the three European countries (Britain, France and Germany). Straw is carrying a 200 page file to Washington about Iran, and this is getting to be a hot issue that seperates Britain and the US ( these two countries have always rivaled each other in matters concerning Iran and are far from being the sweet allies that they usually are). The Americans are trying to influence the Europeans to stand tough in the upcoming talks ( or else...) and at the same time sending some threatening signals to Tehran to make sure they accomodate the Europeans ( or else...). The timing of such reports confirms the psychology behind it.

In any case an attack on Iran would be the equivalent of a mass suicide, and any resulting war would certainly not be limited to Iran's borders   People in Washington know this very well, they also know the social and political mood in Iran. This kind of report can only be seen as rhetoric and is nothing new ( in fact we've got our ears full of them).

Nobody here believes that such an attack or invasion would take place, and

I'm certainly not losing any sleep over it. They make good subject for conversation such as the interesting ones here on this board, and probabely at my cousin's wedding that I'm going to be attending tonight.

" It's not wise to mess around the bees' hives", an old Persian saying.

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An observation: You know Hussein didn't think we'd do it, either.

Time is what is needed. And work, a whole lot of work, first, before anyone makes a move. I have said in the past that maybe the people will over-throw the government of Iran. In your estimation.... any chance of that?

I do think we will deal effectively with Iran and Syria when the time comes.

BTW... Iran talks big.

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But then Hussein was not the most intelligent guy around, was he?

Very good point Babs, time and work are what are needed, but not to prepare a war.

As long as there are daily external military threats against Iran, expecting the people to over-throw anything is only a dream. Last time we had a revolution, the whole world supported Saddam in attacking and occupying parts of Iran which was still in internal termoil. One million dead was the result of that adventure

If I were you I would make sure that the American government does not repeat the horrendous past mistakes it has made about Iran, and maybe then things will be a lot better for everybody.

To 'deal' effectively with anything you need to know it very well, I wonder if that's really the case concerning Iran.

[Babs]

if Iran and the US went to War, Iran could hold its own.

~Thanato

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...that's a good one.

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That right there shows your ignorance on these matters. So... tell me... without the US instituting a draft, how would it invade Iran successfuly?

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This shows your ignorance. I have said for a long long time on this board that the draft will be coming up.

[Babs]

Zephyr:

but would Iranians be open to the overthrow of the current theocracy in place?

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I don't know, but one thing is sure, the right solutions to Iran's problems are neither military nor dictatable from outside.

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What would you propose?

[Mekorig]

Lets the population of the country elect the kind of goverment they want, and dont mess whit their internal affairs because you think you have a higher moral ground.

[Homer]

And Homer, you are one of the few voices of reason in this forum. Are you right wing or center, because i found very few right wings how razone outside their little box.

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Thank you for your compliments Mekorig

I'm definately not right wing, but tilt ever so slightly to the right side of center. I have openly voiced my criticism of Bush on certain things, and have also voiced my support for Bush on certain things.

[Babs]

Lets the population of the country elect the kind of goverment they want, and dont mess whit their internal affairs because you think you have a higher moral ground.

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We don't have the higher moral ground. We think Iran is DANGEROUS.

[zephyr]

Zephyr:

but would Iranians be open to the overthrow of the current theocracy in place?

464508[/snapback]

I don't know, but one thing is sure, the right solutions to Iran's problems are neither military nor dictatable from outside.

465907[/snapback]

What would you propose?

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To whom, dear?

[Homer]

Lets the population of the country elect the kind of goverment they want, and dont mess whit their internal affairs because you think you have a higher moral ground.

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I could be completely wrong on this, and hope zephyr corrects me if I am.

But my understanding is that under the current system, it doesn't matter much who is elected. Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is appointed for life, and he also elects half of the Guardian Council. This and the other hardliners in parliament block many of President Mohammad Khatami's initiatives, making the public loose faith in the system(including the president).

[Babs]

Zephyr:

but would Iranians be open to the overthrow of the current theocracy in place?

464508[/snapback]

I don't know, but one thing is sure, the right solutions to Iran's problems are neither military nor dictatable from outside.

465907[/snapback]

What would you propose?

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To whom, dear?

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To the world.

The last time I checked you were part of the 'axis of evil'. You know... terror...terrorism?...aren't there terrorists in your state?

Edited January 28, 2005 by Babs

[morpheas]

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[Babs]

Lets the population of the country elect the kind of goverment they want, and dont mess whit their internal affairs because you think you have a higher moral ground.

466012[/snapback]

I could be completely wrong on this, and hope zephyr corrects me if I am.

But my understanding is that under the current system, it doesn't matter much who is elected. Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is appointed for life, and he also elects half of the Guardian Council. This and the other hardliners in parliament block many of President Mohammad Khatami's initiatives, making the public loose faith in the system(including the president).

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Interesting. Could you answer that, please? I've read a little about this and heard some on the news.

[Babs]

We think Iran is DANGEROUS.

like you thought Saddam had WMD which could have been used within 45 minutes???

one question to Babs, are any of your family members currently or previously served in the Iraq war? im just curious!

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Yes. I have talked about my family member and people in my communtiy that are serving. I'm from 'Matt Maupin' country....a hostage in Irag (we think is dead now)

For your information, morph, I am for the war in Iraq. Had to be done.

Edited January 27, 2005 by Babs

[gollum]

Zephyr:

but would Iranians be open to the overthrow of the current theocracy in place?

464508[/snapback]

I don't know, but one thing is sure, the right solutions to Iran's problems are neither military nor dictatable from outside.

465907[/snapback]

What would you propose?

466007[/snapback]

To whom, dear?

466031[/snapback]

To the world.

The last time I checked you were part of the 'axix of evil'. You know... terror...terrorism?...aren't there terrorists in your state?

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Yes there are terrorists in his country but there are also terrorists in your country.

Does that mean your going to add yourselves to the ever-growing list of "Evil" countries?

[Babs]

Zephyr:

but would Iranians be open to the overthrow of the current theocracy in place?

464508[/snapback]

I don't know, but one thing is sure, the right solutions to Iran's problems are neither military nor dictatable from outside.

465907[/snapback]

What would you propose?

466007[/snapback]

To whom, dear?

466031[/snapback]

To the world.

The last time I checked you were part of the 'axix of evil'. You know... terror...terrorism?...aren't there terrorists in your state?

466057[/snapback]

Yes there are terrorists in his country but there are also terrorists in your country.

Does that mean your going to add yourselves to the ever-growing list of "Evil" countries?

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Rest assured, we'll get um!...I don't see any attacks right now, do you gollum?

[morpheas]

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[gollum]

Rest assured, we'll get um!...I don't see any attacks right now, do you gollum?

Plot, plot , plotters plotting all the time. Sleep, sleep, sleepers just itching to be woken up.

[Babs]

Morph...Your facts are no better than mine.

..Remember that.

[Athenian]

Conquer the world.

That is the only solution...

[Babs]

Rest assured, we'll get um!...I don't see any attacks right now, do you gollum?

Plot, plot , plotters plotting all the time. Sleep, sleep, sleepers just itching to be woken up.

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...yeah, right. I think we are taking that into consideration, gollum, but if you'd like to pass that along, to the White House.......be my guest.

[morpheas]

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[Stellar]

This shows your ignorance. I have said for a long long time on this board that the draft will be coming up.

Good, so you're calling Bush a liar and a panderer.

Now, explain to me how Bush is going to do it without the US becoming more bankrupt than it already is, and tell me why you think a couple million US soldiers are going to be sacrificed in a war with Iran and not get pulled out.

Does that mean your going to add yourselves to the ever-growing list of "Evil" countries?

Yes, but Iran is supporting Hezbullah or however you spell it, isnt it?

[Homer]

Is it too late for me to respectfully request people refrain from personal attacks and stick to the topic?

[Babs]

Morph...Your facts are no better than mine.

you dont work with facts in my opinion, your a bitter twisted individual who enjoys inciting war and racism from my observation.

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Well now, that's your opinion. I felt that I had to tell you about my background because you are new here.... and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck.

[Stellar]

Is it too late for me to respectfully request people refrain from personal attacks and stick to the topic?

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Yes.