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Urantia Book Poll

The UB. Made up, or inspired?   

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  1. 1. Is the Urantia Book fact, or fake?

    • Real channeled knowledge ?
    • Person, or people fakery?


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MERRY DMAS
10 minutes ago, Timothy said:

As opposed to a non-flesh response? 

No.

Don't you want to make it to at least to one of the Mansion Worlds?

The Seven Mansion Worlds

"47:0.1 (530.1) THE Creator Son, when on Urantia, spoke of the “many mansions in the Father’s universe.” In a certain sense, all fifty-six of the encircling worlds of Jerusem are devoted to the transitional culture of ascending mortals, but the seven satellites of world number one are more specifically known as the mansion worlds.

47:0.2 (530.2) Transition world number one itself is quite exclusively devoted to ascendant activities, being the headquarters of the finaliter corps assigned to Satania. This world now serves as the headquarters for more than one hundred thousand companies of finaliters, and there are one thousand glorified beings in each of these groups.

47:0.3 (530.3) When a system is settled in light and life, and as the mansion worlds one by one cease to serve as mortal-training stations, they are taken over by the increasing finaliter population which accumulates in these older and more highly perfected systems.

47:0.4 (530.4) The seven mansion worlds are in charge of the morontia supervisors and the Melchizedeks. There is an acting governor on each world who is directly responsible to the Jerusem rulers. The Uversa conciliators maintain headquarters on each of the mansion worlds, while adjoining is the local rendezvous of the Technical Advisers. The reversion directors and celestial artisans maintain group headquarters on each of these worlds. The spironga function from mansion world number two onward, while all seven, in common with the other transitional-culture planets and the headquarters world, are abundantly provided with spornagia of standard creation."

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-47-seven-mansion-worlds

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Jodie.Lynne
20 minutes ago, MERRY DMAS said:

Space potency. 

Apparently, even perfect ascended beings have difficulty maintaining ere- er, 'ascendency' :whistle:

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MERRY DMAS

Thanks to those that voted so far.

The Lucifer Rebellion

"53:0.1 (601.1) LUCIFER was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty—rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.

53:0.2 (601.2) In the universe of Nebadon, the domain of Christ Michael, there are ten thousand systems of inhabited worlds. In all the history of Lanonandek Sons, in all their work throughout these thousands of systems and at the universe headquarters, only three System Sovereigns have ever been found in contempt of the government of the Creator Son.

1. The Leaders of Rebellion

53:1.1 (601.3) Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: “You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you.” Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned “upon the holy mountain of God,” the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.

53:1.2 (601.4) Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifer’s transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michael’s bestowal on Urantia. Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses’ resurrection, “did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, ‘the Judge rebuke you.’” Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.

53:1.3 (601.5) Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness.” Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: “How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds!”

53:1.4 (602.1) Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The “devil” is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed."

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-53-lucifer-rebellion

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MERRY DMAS
4 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Apparently, even perfect ascended beings have difficulty maintaining ere- er, 'ascendency' :whistle:

I think they ascend on high all the time with, or without external help.

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XenoFish

Heaven's Gate anyone? 

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1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

I don't have the knowledge to KNOW, and any guess would be prejudiced, so i do not guess, or believe/disbelieve.

It is a very fascinating /interesting book, esp the part about Christ's family life,   whether it is fact or fiction, and it DOES coincide with the personal experiences  of many of those who have contact with the cosmic consciousness  and its governance of our galaxy and have written about their own experiences.   

You mean they also claim the last ice age ended 35,000 years ago (just as it was actually getting going)?   Or that mammals evolved overnight from a carnivorous dinosaur?

The fact is, the book contains a great many verifiable facts - almost all of which are verifiably false..   But hey, I still have some $100 bottles of snake oil, guaranteed to cure baldness, impotence, cancer, rabies and the common cold.   Do you want my address? 

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MERRY DMAS
11 minutes ago, Essan said:

You mean they also claim the last ice age ended 35,000 years ago (just as it was actually getting going)?   Or that mammals evolved overnight from a carnivorous dinosaur?

The fact is, the book contains a great many verifiable facts - almost all of which are verifiably false..   But hey, I still have some $100 bottles of snake oil, guaranteed to cure baldness, impotence, cancer, rabies and the common cold.   Do you want my address? 

I should put my gallon jugs of evaporated water up for sale on Ebay?

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Essan
Just now, MERRY DMAS said:

I should put my gallon jugs of evaporated water up for sale on Ebay?

What we need is the email address of everyone who's bought the UB = targeted sales :D    We'll be billionaires in weeks!

Actually, I always did wonder who fell for those "Nigerian" scams ....... !

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XenoFish

Davros, I appreciate what you're trying to do. But I'm still defragging my neural hardrive from all the occult text I've read. This is giving me acid flashbacks man.

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freetoroam
1 hour ago, MERRY DMAS said:

@freetoroam I would appreciate it if you voted. You too @Will Due

Only NW voted yes because of the reliability of the sources. :rofl:

Will left out the "Lucifer Rebellion". That's like talking American history while leaving out the Civil War. Much knowledge of the Seven Universes can be gained with the UB.

I do not want to vote for either options.

To the believers like Will, it is real. I would call it fantasy instead of fakery. 

Pure utter fantasy. I believe none of it, but some do.

You seem to be posting quite a lot of bits from the book. There is no need. We get the gist of the book...we have done since Will started on his own shove it down your throat quest. 

FANTASY .there is my vote.

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Will Due

 

@MERRY DMAS

Davros, I want to thank you for starting this thread. I'm sure you know why.

I would love to vote in your poll but I honestly can't do it because I know beyond a shadow of doubt that the method or process that resulted in the reception of the original handwritten papers back in the 20's and 30's was not done by anything the likes of what today is generally thought of as "channeling." I assure you, the papers were not channeled. After reading it entirely, to me, it's clear who wrote it, why it was written and how because of that, no one will ever know much about the exact details surrounding its reception by a small group of people during the first third of the last century in Chicago.

Larry Mullins wrote a very comprehensive book about the history of the origin of the UB entitled "A History of the Urantia Papers." It's well written and I think you'll find it interesting. From the very beginning, when I discovered the book, I had to know how this book got here. So back then (1982) the best I could do was to use the phone. I spoke with several people. One would put me in contact with another and so on. Some of these people were the children of those involved with receiving the papers. I think they're all deceased now but what I gathered from all I was told, Mr. Mullins pretty much outlines exactly and corroborates in his book.

I'm glad you mentioned the Lucifer rebellion. The authors have a lot to say about it. Perhaps I'll post something about it later when I have more time.

For now I'll just say that the UB is essentially harmless and extremely uplifting. 

Thanks again Davros.

 

 

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Will Due
1 hour ago, MERRY DMAS said:

Every mortal who is consciously or unconsciously following the leading of his indwelling Adjuster is living in accordance with the will of God.

 

This is what I mean about the uplifting nature of the Urantia Book. 

What the bolded above means is pretty significant to me. Perhaps you too.

It might just be that "atheists" top the list of those who are actually doing God's will. Albeit it, unconsciously. 

 

 

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Piney
1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

I think you might be bringing your modern perspective to the defence of your  people.

True Spiritual Traditions evolve with the times. I was trained as a "worker" not a "believer" so I know where the BS lies that the "common folk" are meant to believe.

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

 

  EVERYTHING was worshipped by early people There was no division as exists now between material and spiritual  It was a different form of religion and worship to modern  ones, but still religion /worship. Ask WHY the calendar was so important  that stone circles were used.  It wasn't JUST to know and measure the yearly changes and cycles,  but the important causes, effects and cermonies around each period (this is also true for all megalithic buildings and henges , which combined practical purposes with religious and spiritual ones.

The y were only built because large groups of people were united in a common belief and purpose 

American shamanism evolved from  "siberian/Mongolian shamanism, and you can still find a few of them who practice traditional shamanism,  although most have adopted it to our modern world and knowledge 

http://www.inspirationforthespirit.com/native-american-symbolic-circles/

https://www.welchdakotapapers.com/2011/12/sacred-stones-and-holy-places/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_wheel

Everything wasn't worshipped separately It was worshiped as part of "Creation" , our version of "God". Mongolian Shamanisn is completely different that Algonquian and Siouian Spiritual Tradition. We don't have "Flyers" or Healers that do "drawing outs".

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

An Indian “priest” would find it an advantage to know when summer offered the best work climate, marked by the summer solstice, and when the season was drawing to a close and cold weather was on the way (the fall equinox).

A leader who noticed how points on the mountain marked these calendar moments and could predict, with a rock “clock,” these dates, would be a “genius” to his tribe, Hranicky said.

Such times would be natural days for social celebrations of some type, he added. “They visited this place for a reason, like going to church.”

https://www.nativetimes.com/43-life/culture/6360-rock-circles-linked-to-ancient-indian-site

This is Pan-Indian dreck written by a fraudulent "Shaman" who faked these sites. "Grandfathers" is just a term for the heating stones in a sweat lodge. 

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

Meaning and significance

Although archaeologists have not ascertained the purpose of each medicine wheel with certainty, it is thought that these structures had ceremonial and/or astronomical significance. Medicine wheels and sacred hoops have been built and engaged ritually for millennia, and each one has enough unique characteristics and qualities that archaeologists have encountered significant challenges in determining with precision what each one was for; similarly, gauging their commonality of function and meaning has also been problematic.

One of the older wheels has been dated to over 4,500 years old. Like Stonehenge, it had been built up by successive generations who would add new features to the circle. Due to the long existence of such a basic structure, archaeologists suspect that the function and meaning of the medicine wheel changed over time, and it is doubtful that we will ever know what its original purpose was.

Stone structures as sacred architecture

Intentionally erecting massive stone structures as sacred architecture is a well-documented activity of ancient peoples. Native Americansalso constructed sacred stone structures. However, unlike the grand and towering stone monoliths and megaliths like the Pyramids of Gizas or Stonehenge, the indigenous peoples of North America and southern Canada laid down stones on the ground in certain arrangements and patterns. The medicine wheel is one distinctive structure of this type, patterned in the shape of a wheel, circle, hoop or disk:

Scattered across the plains of Alberta are tens of thousands of stone structures. Most of these are simple circles of cobble stones which once held down the edges of the famous tipi of the Plains Indians; these are known as "tipi rings." Others, however, were of a more esoteric nature. Extremely large stone circles—some greater than 12 metres across—may be the remains of special ceremonial dance structures. A few cobble arrangements form the outlines of human figures, most of them obviously male. Perhaps the most intriguing cobble constructions, however, are the ones known as medicine wheels.[1]

Cultural value and meaning

Often located at the summit of a hill, medicine wheels were well positioned for both astronomical and spiritual meaning. Medicine wheels have been used to mark the geographical directions and astronomical events of the sun, moon, some stars, and some planets in relation to the Earth's horizon at that location. These rock sites were also used for important ceremonies, teachings, and as sacred places (like the High places of other cultures) to give thanks to the Creator, Great Spirit, or Gitchi Manitou in the Ojibwa or Anishinaabe language. Other North American indigenous peoples also made these circular petroforms. Medicine wheels can be seen as similar to circular turtleshaped petroforms, where the legs, head, and tail point out the directions and are aligned with astronomical events.

 

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Medicine_wheel

 

"Medicine Wheels" are Pan-Indian and were invented during the "cultural revival" of the 60's and the 70's. Other than the Plains calendars ( and we think the Pawnee made them) there have been none found on prehistoric sites. Rock circles just held lodge skins down. The "turtle shaped" petroforms  aligned with events is some crazy thought. Wooden stakes were use by Woodland tribes. 

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

Now maybe I am preaching to the converted or maybe i misunderstood your post, but it is clear that stone circles had both practical and religious/spiritual meaning to native americans 

Good to see you spouting you know it all **** again grandpa! Means your "circulation pump" is working ok. :tu:

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danydandan
2 hours ago, MERRY DMAS said:

I should put my gallon jugs of evaporated water up for sale on Ebay?

They sell cans of Canadian air in China. So I'd wage some numbty will buy evaporated water. 

Kinda like selling Sky Hooks or Buckets of Steam.

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MERRY DMAS
40 minutes ago, danydandan said:

They sell cans of Canadian air in China. So I'd wage some numbty will buy evaporated water. 

Kinda like selling Sky Hooks or Buckets of Steam.

 

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MERRY DMAS

@Will Due

Feel free to let us know how the Big Blue Book came about from your research.

show us how science is finally catching up to the BBB.

Go nuts, or nuttier.

 

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Timothy
8 hours ago, MERRY DMAS said:

No.

Don't you want to make it to at least to one of the Mansion Worlds?

*snip*

Not from what you’ve posted. 

Paraphrased: ‘56 encircling worlds of Jerusalem, the seven satellites of world number one known as the mansion worlds. Transition world number one has 100,000 companies of finaliters with 1,000 glorified beings in each of ‘these groups’.’

That doesn’t say what a mansion world is. It talks about transition world number one, but not about the seven satellite mansion worlds?

8 hours ago, MERRY DMAS said:

Thanks to those that voted so far. 

*snip*

Snapshot of current votes at the bottom of this post. 31 to 1. What are your thoughts?

8 hours ago, Essan said:

What we need is the email address of everyone who's bought the UB = targeted sales :D    We'll be billionaires in weeks!

Actually, I always did wonder who fell for those "Nigerian" scams ....... !

Currently in an email exchange with a group of scammers. I’m trying to get the credit limit on the card they want to send me reduced to $10,000, as the limit they originally offered me was far too high. :lol:

Their last reply to me: 

On 1 Jan 2019, at 00:10, Dr.frank gilbart <atmcenter73@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Good News Beneficiary,
 
I receiver your email.like as you said that you went $10,000 credit
limit.i understand it you have to reconfirm your address where you
wish to receiver it..
 
+22967904507
Mr.Jerry Bright

:rolleyes:

They are starting to get a bit frustrated I think, still seem to have not realised that I have been changing my email signature to more stupid things each time I reply. Eg. 

‘Regards,

Jim Ballsackstina

Sent from my iBhone’

I just replied to that last email above too. I prefer to be wasting their time on me rather than someone they might be able to actually scam. Couldn’t help myself! Signed off as follows:

‘Regards,

Dom Pombostina

Sent from my iPombo’

7 hours ago, freetoroam said:

I do not want to vote for either options.

To the believers like Will, it is real. I would call it fantasy instead of fakery. 

Pure utter fantasy. I believe none of it, but some do.

You seem to be posting quite a lot of bits from the book. There is no need. We get the gist of the book...we have done since Will started on his own shove it down your throat quest. 

FANTASY .there is my vote.

My bold. Yep, @Will Due did a pretty good job of showing us how full of BS the UB is.

We don’t really need a second helping from you @MERRY DMAS.

5 hours ago, MERRY DMAS said:

@Will Due

Feel free to let us know how the Big Blue Book came about from your research.

show us how science is finally catching up to the BBB.

Go nuts, or nuttier.

My bold. How the hell is science catching up? Science left the UB (or BBB as you call it) in the dust pretty quickly...

 

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Jodie.Lynne
10 hours ago, Will Due said:

it's clear who wrote it, why it was written and how

Care to clue the rest of us in? Or will you continue to shroud the UB in unneeded mystery?

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Will Due
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1 hour ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Care to clue the rest of us in? Or will you continue to shroud the UB in unneeded mystery?

 

The Urantia Book is mysterious I guess, especially who wrote it, why it was written and how. But not to me.

What's mysterious to me is why it isn't taken more serious. But then again based on what is written in it about us humans, how we go about things and why we do them the way we do, it makes total sense.

The Urantia Book represents an attempt to bring us up to speed with what normally would be rudimentary knowledge about things like God and our place in the universe. But things did not evolve on our world normally at all. No. So even when we are contacted, it's usually quickly and incredulously dismissed as nonsense. With the UB, with Jesus, with practically every sage or prophet that ever existed since the inception of the local system rebellion.

That makes it clear who wrote it, because it would certainly not have been written by a rebel. A house divided cannot stand and all that stuff.

This to me is why it was written. Written by those who are above rebels who for good measure, allowed the rebellion to proceed uncontested for a while by a higher authority for a greater purpose that isn't hard to understand really. But now, the party is over and that's why the UB was written. To inform us about the end of the "party" and what we can expect to happen next for each of us individually and together collectively. The message is: times are a changin' and all will be alright. Just keep the faith. Almost nothing is as it seems.

How it was written isn't a mystery either to me. Those in authority can do things that ordinary folk cannot do. Those in authority are higher than human, so for them, it isn't a problem to physically put pen to paper. No one ever witnessed this when it occured but I venture to say if you could have been there, you would have only seen a pen writing on paper all by itself.

Here's what the UB says about those beings who can do things like that. 

 

"Midwayers are not men, neither are they angels, but secondary midwayers are, in nature, nearer man than angel; they are, in a way, of your races and are, therefore, very understanding and sympathetic in their contact with human beings; they are invaluable to the seraphim in their work for and with the various races of mankind, and both orders are indispensable to the seraphim who serve as personal guardians to mortals.

 

"Midwayers vary greatly in their abilities to make contact with the seraphim above and with their human cousins below. It is exceedingly difficult, for instance, for the primary midwayers to make direct contact with material agencies. They are considerably nearer the angelic type of being and are therefore usually assigned to working with, and ministering to, the spiritual forces resident on the planet. They act as companions and guides for celestial visitors and student sojourners, whereas the secondary creatures are almost exclusively attached to the ministry of the material beings of the realm.

Contact personalities. In the contacts made with the mortal beings of the material worlds, such as with the subject through whom these communications were transmitted, the midway creatures are always employed. They are an essential factor in such liaisons of the spiritual and the material levels.

 

Paper 77 - The Midway Creatures

 

 

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Jodie.Lynne
8 minutes ago, Will Due said:

The Urantia Book is mysterious I guess, especially who wrote it, why it was written and how. But not to me.

Then please stop quoting the damned book and tell me:

Who wrote it?

Why?

How?

In your own words, please, I am too tired to try to decipher riddles

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Will Due
3 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Who wrote it? God's subordinates. 

Why? Because the hour had come.

How? With pen in non-human hand put to paper.

 

I hope that suffices Jodie. If not, let me know.

 

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Jodie.Lynne
24 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

I hope that suffices Jodie. If not, let me know.

 

It does not.

You might as well have said:

Pooh bear

Why not?

Pixies.

 

I am not being snarky or aggressive here, but those are more cryptic non answers.

In my opinion, worthless as it is, IF there is a god, that god shouldn't be afraid to speak plainly and state what it means, and what it desires for humanity.

For illustration:

If you go to a restaurant for dinner and the waitress asks what you would like, do you couch your response in riddles and prose that needs to be interpreted, in the hopes that she will deduce what it is you want to eat?

Or do you tell her exactly what you desire and how you would like it prepared?

As simple humans we understand the importance of clear and concise communication. If we can do it, why can't god?

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Will Due
1 minute ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

It does not.

You might as well have said:

Pooh bear

Why not?

Pixies.

 

I am not being snarky or aggressive here, but those are more cryptic non answers.

In my opinion, worthless as it is, IF there is a god, that god shouldn't be afraid to speak plainly and state what it means, and what it desires for humanity.

For illustration:

If you go to a restaurant for dinner and the waitress asks what you would like, do you couch your response in riddles and prose that needs to be interpreted, in the hopes that she will deduce what it is you want to eat?

Or do you tell her exactly what you desire and how you would like it prepared?

As simple humans we understand the importance of clear and concise communication. If we can do it, why can't god?

 

Jodie, what is written in the Urantia Book is exactly that. Plainly written in words easy to understand that state what God means and what God desires for humanity.

 

 

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Rlyeh
19 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

This is what I mean about the uplifting nature of the Urantia Book. 

What the bolded above means is pretty significant to me. Perhaps you too.

It might just be that "atheists" top the list of those who are actually doing God's will. Albeit it, unconsciously. 

Was Ted Bundy doing God's will too?

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