Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - HUGE SCANDAL!!!!

[Farmer77]

9 hours ago, F3SS said:

According to that timestamp he's probably the last person to ever be able to say that on these forums, or anywhere else, without knowing for certain that it's a bold faced lie. The truth is out, No Collusion!

Almost but not quite yet.  We still need to see the report. This could be a you cant charge the president and you cant talk about people who arent charged situation.

[preacherman76]

6 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Almost but not quite yet.  We still need to see the report. This could be a you cant charge the president and you cant talk about people who arent charged situation.

Except no one was charged for collusion. They were charged with everything under the sun, including things that happened over a decade ago. 

If there was any collusion, someone would have went down for it. 

[Farmer77]

6 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Except no one was charged for collusion. They were charged with everything under the sun, including things that happened over a decade ago. 

If there was any collusion, someone would have went down for it. 

You're most likely correct. Lets see the report.

[+and-then]

On 1/8/2019 at 12:20 PM, DirtyDocMartens said:

I wonder if she's ever grabbed someone by the p***y.

Plan to have that engraved on the tombstone?  Put it right next to, "THAT'S NOT FAIR"!  

[+and-then]

On 3/11/2019 at 12:40 PM, Tatetopa said:

Yes indeed as they should be.  Out with the old in with the new.

I'm sure they welcomed Castro similarly.  Be careful what you wish for...

[Tatetopa]

40 minutes ago, and then said:

I'm sure they welcomed Castro similarly.  Be careful what you wish for...

Andthen, that seems to be a rather dim view of the world. Well, I don't think Castro was elected

What I wish for is this: a Congress representative of the people of America.  It could include farmers, construction workers, doctors, pipefitters, scientists, union assembly line workers, a cross section.  I wish there were term limits and no lobbyists.  If the argument against new people every two years is that they won't know enough or get things done, I would just point to the situation today. If the argument is that there will be some crazies, I would just say look at things today.  Sometimes people with big mouths have ideas worth listening to but it takes practical people to get things done. I would like to see some people who are used to spending what they make and not going into credit card debt in charge of the budget.  Personally, I think its good if far left and right get represented. Maybe if they sit in a room and talk they might find some issues to cooperate on together. We are not going to agree on everything or come out singing Kum Ba Yah, but maybe we can get a few bridges and highways  repaired.

I think Congress people ought to be required to read the bills they want to pass into law.  I suggest that they stop cheating by having industry lobbyists write the bills for them.   And maybe they should spend more than half time at home serving their districts and gathering voter opinions rather than election contributions at Washington cocktail parties.

 

[+DieChecker]

On 3/22/2019 at 5:33 PM, susieice said:

Just saw where my state is a house divided. The last election was the first time Pennsylvania went red since 1980. There is a split in the party.

http://www.wfmz.com/news/pennsylvania/rendell-aoc-does-not-speak-for-the-democratic-party-/1061669195?fbclid=IwAR3owqOBFBmge8_3_ren78XJQIGg_KxVYHQeyuwASxcQxcx0nDfRRvuvmpc

I liked this bit...

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Former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, the one-time chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said if his party hopes to win back white, working-class voters, Democrats need to look toward the center, not the far left, which he said plays right into the hands of President Trump.

"I think all of a sudden, the 2020 election went from a slam dunk for Democrats to something where we're going to have trouble beating this guy, because he's gonna make democratic socialism swing to the left, which I don't think is real, but he's gonna make it into the issue," Rendell said. "A.O.C. does not speak for the Democratic Party."

This is almost the same advise I've been giving Dems who want to win in 2020. They need to play to center, not to the far left, like AOC is trying to lead the party. 

Party followers, of Rs and Ds, always seem to forget that it is the 30% of centrists who always decide Federal Elections.

[+DieChecker]

On 3/22/2019 at 8:21 AM, Farmer77 said:

Intolerance of evil should be an American value.

Again, lets not pretend we're talking about intolerance of Conservatives, thats not whats happening.

Greatly depends on if the definition of evil, and the judging of evidence, is done by the far left/right, or done by those who are impartial.

You are self admitted to not be impartial. 

Edited March 24, 2019 by DieChecker

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, DieChecker said:

This is almost the same advise I've been giving Dems who want to win in 2020. They need to play to center, not to the far left, like AOC is trying to lead the party. 

I kind of think that pushing left may be the party's only option. I and im sure the majority would hold my nose and vote for a Clintonesque centrist in 2020 because of the unique Trumpian circumstances, but, if thats who they end up running I think they'll be screwing themselves for 2022 and beyond as the base I think is further left than many want to admit.

 

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

... as the base I think is further left than many want to admit.

What is your basis for that belief? Is there polling suggesting such? And if so, is the poll bias?

Edit: a quick search showed a Gallup poll from January.

https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2019/01/gallup-poll-majority-of-democrats-want-more-moderate-party/

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Gallup found that by a fairly solid-looking 54-41 percent (with five percent expressing no opinion) of Democrats would prefer that their party move toward the middle.

But among Republicans and Repub-leaners, by an even wider 57-37 percent margin, want their party to move further to the right.

It’s just a poll question, without much history to compare it against. Don’t take it too seriously. And 54-41 is no landslide. 

 

Edited March 24, 2019 by DieChecker

[F3SS]

When you need illegals and 16 year olds to vote for you that tells me you can't convince most people of your policies and that your base is small. They have to lie and deceive and that's why there's so much infighting in the Democrat party between the establishment and the crazy new comers. It's not that the establishment disagrees with AOC and the other vocal newbies rather it's that they're being too honest about their agenda which is a horrifying one and they know it. It's all about big gov.

[Farmer77]

2 hours ago, DieChecker said:

What is your basis for that belief? Is there polling suggesting such? And if so, is the poll bias?

A couple of reasons, first the future. It appears polling has consistently shown that the large majority of youth and millennials see universal healthcare as the proper thing for Americans and while not the same numbers I seem to recall much the same polling on education.Same holds true for environmental issues.

Healthcare 69% of Millennials Support Medicare for All

I also think that we've reached a point where what a large percentage of the nations considers "far to the left" another very large percentage sees as closer to the center so polling based on terms like middle or moderate without qualifiers is kind of questionable. 

Your link for instance didnt mention what they meant by more liberal. If that means more shrieking about new genders I would fully agree with the poll I would rather the party were more moderate, speaking on healthcare,education and the environment though I wish they were more liberal.

 

Edited March 24, 2019 by Farmer77

[Myles]

21 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

 

What I wish for is this: a Congress representative of the people of America.  It could include farmers, construction workers, doctors, pipefitters, scientists, union assembly line workers, a cross section.  I wish there were term limits and no lobbyists.  If the argument against new people every two years is that they won't know enough or get things done, I would just point to the situation today. If the argument is that there will be some crazies, I would just say look at things today.  Sometimes people with big mouths have ideas worth listening to but it takes practical people to get things done. I would like to see some people who are used to spending what they make and not going into credit card debt in charge of the budget.  Personally, I think its good if far left and right get represented. Maybe if they sit in a room and talk they might find some issues to cooperate on together. We are not going to agree on everything or come out singing Kum Ba Yah, but maybe we can get a few bridges and highways  repaired.

I think Congress people ought to be required to read the bills they want to pass into law.  I suggest that they stop cheating by having industry lobbyists write the bills for them.   And maybe they should spend more than half time at home serving their districts and gathering voter opinions rather than election contributions at Washington cocktail parties.

 

Yes

[+DieChecker]

3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

A couple of reasons, first the future. It appears polling has consistently shown that the large majority of youth and millennials see universal healthcare as the proper thing for Americans and while not the same numbers I seem to recall much the same polling on education.Same holds true for environmental issues.

Healthcare 69% of Millennials Support Medicare for All

I also think that we've reached a point where what a large percentage of the nations considers "far to the left" another very large percentage sees as closer to the center so polling based on terms like middle or moderate without qualifiers is kind of questionable. 

Your link for instance didnt mention what they meant by more liberal. If that means more shrieking about new genders I would fully agree with the poll I would rather the party were more moderate, speaking on healthcare,education and the environment though I wish they were more liberal.

 

I think a mistake you are making is that you expect millennials to remain politically constant. But every demographic trends more toward the right as they age. Conservatives become more so, and liberals move toward the center. So, your assurance that the future is going to farther left may be true, but not necessarily as left as you are thinking.

[+susieice]

This is going to work out well.

https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-disagree-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-congress-pay-increase-poll-2019-3

[CrimsonKing]

3 minutes ago, susieice said:

This is going to work out well.

https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-disagree-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-congress-pay-increase-poll-2019-3

I read that the other day...

"Pay us more to prevent us from being crooked" 

Some of the things that come out of our politicians mouths...shakes head

[+susieice]

They've been crooked for decades  

[Michelle]

2 minutes ago, susieice said:

They've been crooked for decades  

It didn't take long at all for AOC to fall off her high horse. 

[CrimsonKing]

5 minutes ago, Michelle said:

It didn't take long at all for AOC to fall off her high horse. 

Better watch it Michelle,she catches wind of your comment she'll start tweeting about white people not praising her every word... 

[F3SS]

Wow, didn't take her long to join the swamp not that I didn't think she grew from it's primordial ooze in the first place. As a business owner I've heard quite a few times pay me more and I'll do more. Early on I fell for it a couple times and it doesn't work. Raises must be earned. She sucks.

[Tatetopa]

11 hours ago, F3SS said:

When you need illegals and 16 year olds to vote for you that tells me you can't convince most people of your policies and that your base is small.

There was no collusion, illegals don't vote, 16 year olds don't vote.  Move on.

[F3SS]

1 minute ago, Tatetopa said:

There was no collusion, illegals don't vote, 16 year olds don't vote.  Move on.

No I don't think I will. So long as elected officials are clamoring for this idiocy I'm going to have something to say about it.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

I’d like an apology from the people who laughed at me calling AOC a tool of the powers that be.

[Will Due]

4 hours ago, F3SS said:

So long as elected officials are clamoring for this idiocy 

 

Why do we allow idiots onto ballots in the first place?

How long before we learn to stop that idiocy?

 

 

Edited March 25, 2019 by Will Due

[Farmer77]

 

14 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I think a mistake you are making is that you expect millennials to remain politically constant. But every demographic trends more toward the right as they age. Conservatives become more so, and liberals move toward the center. So, your assurance that the future is going to farther left may be true, but not necessarily as left as you are thinking.

Again though I dont think what "the center" is for you is the same for the rest of the world. This is what I was talking about regarding your polling. I.E. Universal healthcare is no longer considered a radical leftist idea. Its really becoming to be viewed as a common sense idea by the majority which places it right in the center of the current political scales.

All of that aside as living proof of the inaccuracy of that particular axiom ill just have to agree to disagree.