Aquila King Posted January 10, 2019 #301 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, F3SS said: You're out of your small mind and I think Saru and most of the mods would beg to differ. Lol, let em. Doesn't change anything. Besides, I'm not breaking any rules atm, so... 1 hour ago, RavenHawk said: It appears that what is hate speech keeps changing. What is hate speech for someone may simply be frank talk to others. But what is revealing is that most people that label something as hate speech does so because they don’t like what others have to say, basically anti free speech as opposed to language being used to harm, hurt or otherwise intimidate someone else. But I guess for others, the right to free speech is offensive. Eh comrade? First off: this is more of a general response to what you said so that anyone can read it, rather than a response to you specifically, since discussing anything with you is like discussing things with a fossilized dino turd. You're correct in some sense that hate speech is defined differently by different people, especially when defined by party lines. However what is generally accepted to be the legal definition in most modern nations (and what I personally view as the most reasonable definition) is: Hate Speech is the incitement of hatred and vilification of a person or group of persons that inevitably leads to false negative stereotyping, social stigmatization, and most importantly indirect acts of violence. In other words, hate speech is speech that incites hatred and even violence against a person or group of persons. Though again, like most things different people will have different views on what defines 'hate speech' in general. Just like how different people have different ideas on what's to be considered 'moral' and immoral'. Regardless of how you look at it though, some things are just flat-out immoral whether you think so or not, and the same's true in regards to hate speech. So yeah, feel free to disagree with the definition all you want. Doesn't change the fact that most of you here are in fact guilty of at least some degree of hate speech. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted January 10, 2019 #302 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Forgot to mention, I'm not at all advocating for hate speech to be illegal, just that I would advocate for private media companies to not allow hate speech on their platforms. That's all. I am and continue to be a free speech absolutist (legally speaking). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 10, 2019 #303 Share Posted January 10, 2019 All right, I have a clarification question. I must admit I am wavering. What are we talking about when we talk about a wall? Are we talking about a big beautiful concrete wall from sea to sea? Or are we talking about pedestrian and vehicular barricades in accessible areas of the border that help control cross border traffic with the assistance of electronic and human surveillance? Are we talking about the prevention of all immigration from the southern border entirely? Or are we talking about the prevention of illegal entry while allowing legal entry methods including due the processing of visa applications and asylum requests (understanding processing does not mean granting in all cases). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankenhunter Posted January 11, 2019 #304 Share Posted January 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: All right, I have a clarification question. I must admit I am wavering. What are we talking about when we talk about a wall? Are we talking about a big beautiful concrete wall from sea to sea? Or are we talking about pedestrian and vehicular barricades in accessible areas of the border that help control cross border traffic with the assistance of electronic and human surveillance? Are we talking about the prevention of all immigration from the southern border entirely? Or are we talking about the prevention of illegal entry while allowing legal entry methods including due the processing of visa applications and asylum requests (understanding processing does not mean granting in all cases). Nobody seems to know because Trump keeps moving the goal posts. The posts have wheels now for easy side slipping. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted January 11, 2019 #305 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Hankenhunter said: Nobody seems to know because Trump keeps moving the goal posts. The posts have wheels now for easy side slipping. B**** please, there were never any goal posts to begin with. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted January 11, 2019 #306 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) If one of those questions was, "Is saying the word 'Wall' hate speech?" 99.999% of liberals would say "yes". Edited January 11, 2019 by Earl.Of.Trumps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted January 11, 2019 #307 Share Posted January 11, 2019 On 1/9/2019 at 12:27 AM, acidhead said: And the rebuttal from the D's. So I'm just now getting around to watching this out of curiosity and I gotta say, those two have about as much charisma here as a dead sloth. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted January 11, 2019 #308 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 hours ago, RavenHawk said: I would expect people to want to defend their homes and their culture. Why are you so pro-open borders? I thought this was your home too? *Dog Whistle* What culture is being defended here? American culture is like Canadian culture, a dog's breakfast that most people seem to enjoy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted January 11, 2019 #309 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tatetopa said: All right, I have a clarification question. I must admit I am wavering. What are we talking about when we talk about a wall? Are we talking about a big beautiful concrete wall from sea to sea? Or are we talking about pedestrian and vehicular barricades in accessible areas of the border that help control cross border traffic with the assistance of electronic and human surveillance? Are we talking about the prevention of all immigration from the southern border entirely? Or are we talking about the prevention of illegal entry while allowing legal entry methods including due the processing of visa applications and asylum requests (understanding processing does not mean granting in all cases). The short answer is YES! But I suppose that needs a bit more explanation. I don’t think Trump intended for it to be a big concrete wall from sea to sea. But he has set the bar for negotiation and he expects to negotiate, but the Progs don’t know how to negotiate. They’ve gotten their way for too long. Trump wants someone to step up and make a decision and make a deal. We are in this mess today because Congress has kicked this issue down the road for far too long. Now is the time to correct it for the posterity of this nation. If the Progs would step forward and do their job and negotiate a solution, they would be very surprised by the praise the people would give them and by what they’d accomplish. But the Progs are bent on power and to Hell with the people. Trump just wants someone to negotiate in good faith. He’s a doer. Personally, I could care less if we have a massive wall or just a line in the sand. What I am concerned about is what comes after? CBP needs the wall but to neglect adding continual modifications, manning and maintenance this is all for naught. The point isn’t to build the wall, it is to defend the border. Building the wall is the first step to defending our border. We need to utilize everything we have to construct a network that not only physically protects us but also is a psychological deterrent. We need to build to the terrain. We need to provide for wildlife migration patterns. Low tech walls, fences, and earthworks to not just create barriers but also to funnel movement to places you want it to go. Place OPs and towers at regular intervals. Around this base you place sensors and cameras feeding to local command posts and secondary feeds to higher commands. Then man the wall with foot and mounted patrols 24x7 and regular maintenance crews making repairs and upgrades. The latest thing would be to use the wall to develop drone swarm technology. Then beef up the legal and administrative aspects. Start documenting all the illegals and deport them starting with the most dangerous first, fine businesses that hire illegals, close the anchor baby loophole, and be selective in candidates for amnesty (nonblanket). This is just a quick rundown of possibilities. But if the Progs want a comprehensive immigration policy, well, here’s a beginning. If you get the gist of what I’m getting at and think I left something out, then just add it. But when Trump said he wanted a great beautiful wall, I was taking a logical approach with what I envisioned. Trump-haters took him literally. And every time they do that, it poisons their soul a bit more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted January 11, 2019 #310 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Likely Guy said: *Dog Whistle* What culture is being defended here? American culture is like Canadian culture, a dog's breakfast that most people seem to enjoy. He’s probably referring to Western culture. Liberty, freedom, property rights, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted January 11, 2019 #311 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Likely Guy said: *Dog Whistle* What culture is being defended here? American culture is like Canadian culture, a dog's breakfast that most people seem to enjoy. Well then, you’d be ok if we just ship all the illegals by rail and drop them off at the BC border, eh? I know culture means nothing to Socialists but you can’t have a unique nation without it. It doesn’t take that many with no intention to assimilate to destroy a culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted January 11, 2019 #312 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, RavenHawk said: Well then, you’d be ok if we just ship all the illegals by rail and drop them off at the BC border, eh? I know culture means nothing to Socialists but you can’t have a unique nation without it. It doesn’t take that many with no intention to assimilate to destroy a culture. No, I asked you (in effect) for your personal definition of what 'American culture' is. 15 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said: He’s probably referring to Western culture. Liberty, freedom, property rights, etc Okay, now I'll ask you a different question. Geographically speaking, what is western culture? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 11, 2019 #313 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 hours ago, RavenHawk said: But because they are here, they still commit crime. Wouldn’t it be proactive to remove the problem and reduce total crime? Of course and that we agree upon. 9 hours ago, RavenHawk said: And what kind of message do you think it sends? None. It doesnt send a message at all. Having a wall or not having a wall is only relevant to the 30% of the nation obsessed with the issue. 9 hours ago, RavenHawk said: I would expect people to want to defend their homes and their culture. Why are you so pro-open borders? I thought this was your home too? You really need to stop convincing yourself that anyone who isnt a Trumpian is pro open borders. We have the same goal, just different perspectives on the issue. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 11, 2019 #314 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 hours ago, RavenHawk said: The term fits and is appropriate. I am not aware of his antics, they are non-sequitur at this time. He is an ex SEAL so he was trained to close and destroy the enemy. And the only other thing I know about him is that he was the target of ridicule from Pete Davidson and then they buried the hatchet. More likely Dan threaten to snap Pete like a twig. I will say that I came away really impressed with both sides of that dustup. Dan refused to fall for the right wing political correctness and be offended and Pete realized he crossed a line and apologized. 9 hours ago, RavenHawk said: A nation’s borders are always a top security issue. Our southern border has always been of concern going as far back as the early 19th Century. Of course it is. Its not a crisis however. 9 hours ago, RavenHawk said: No one has shown the desire or the ability to defend our border until now and it is a shock to the Establishment. That is wholly detached from reality. Its really impressive to see that the same principles of propaganda still work though. 9 hours ago, RavenHawk said: Why do you think that if illegal migration is down that nothing bad can come of it? It only takes a small number to overwhelm or cause significant damage. Some estimates of illegals is at 10 million (low end) and others have it at 30 million and above. I’ll settle for 20 million as a conservative estimate. That is 6% of the population. It only takes between 4% and 6% to be detrimental to society. This is why we have immigration limits in the first place. And What do you think the trend will be when the world sees that our politicians do not have the will to protect the nation’s borders? Let me ask you consider this mental exercise. Invoking suspension of disbelief and given that the logistics are doable, let’s say that tomorrow the entire world (all 7 billion) migrate to the United States. Tell me, what kind of nation would we be? Now consider that it only takes about 5% of the population to create distress. Again you DO understand that over 60% of all illegal immigrants arrive legally via aircraft right? That a wall is only going to interfere with somewhere around 30% of illegal immigration attempts and when you throw in whats already there any new construction is more accurately going to affect somewhere around 15% of illegal immigration attempts? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 11, 2019 #315 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) nvm Edited January 11, 2019 by Farmer77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 11, 2019 #316 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 hours ago, F3SS said: Crime that shouldn't be here. That's all that matters. Theoretically I actually agree with you. Just not enough to spend 5 billion on a wall when that money could be reallocated to better places and certainly not enough to shut down the government and force true ****ing heroes like the USCG to hold garage sales to pay their bills. I gotta be wholly honest though more and more I think we're all being played for fools and that Trump doesnt really care about a wall at all. Chaos being the actual goal of this charlie foxtrot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 11, 2019 #317 Share Posted January 11, 2019 13 hours ago, Dark_Grey said: Interesting. Surely there would be compensation for land owners or some kind of agreement worked out. Is it written in a proposal that land for the wall should be taken by force? Where did that idea come from? Much of the land on the border is private land , it would require the land owners themselves willingly giving up not just the land but access roads to the land so the wall could be built and maintained. There is a reason that none of the congress members from border states actually support the wall. No Congress members along Mexico border support funding Trump's wall 13 hours ago, Dark_Grey said: Completely understandable but when taken in the context of the rest of the world, a border wall is more common than not. No different than a wall around your personal property and built for most of the same reasons. IDK man what happened to American Exceptionalism? Screw the rest of the world, we're great because of our principles, not in spite of them. It seems to me that in the rush to demonize "the other" we're only harming ourselves in the long run. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted January 11, 2019 #318 Share Posted January 11, 2019 47 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: Theoretically I actually agree with you. Just not enough to spend 5 billion on a wall when that money could be reallocated to better places and certainly not enough to shut down the government and force true ****ing heroes like the USCG to hold garage sales to pay their bills. I gotta be wholly honest though more and more I think we're all being played for fools and that Trump doesnt really care about a wall at all. Chaos being the actual goal of this charlie foxtrot Oh please with the money arguement. That's just ridiculous and so is the goal of chaos. Reallocate the funds to what? The great void? A wall cannot hurt, it will curb and deter and at least it's money spent on something effective, tangible and long lasting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted January 11, 2019 #319 Share Posted January 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, F3SS said: Reallocate the funds to what? The great void? A wall cannot hurt, it will curb and deter and at least it's money spent on something effective, tangible and long lasting. Bemoan being $22 Trillion in debt and throw another 5 bill down a rabbit hole. Are there any fiscal conservatives alive anymore? That, and your adjectives are laughable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 11, 2019 #320 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, F3SS said: That's just ridiculous and so is the goal of chaos IDK man it was just around before Helsinki that the synergy between Trump's rhetoric and Russian rhetoric convinced me there might be some there there. Honestly opening RT was like opening Trump's twitter feed. Trumps wholly subservient behavior to Putin at Helsinki and the mountains of evidence we've seen since then make it at least plausible that Trump is straight up working for the Russians.Its a little early and I know for a fact that its bad politics to talk about it just yet from a party perspective but at this point we would be naive to not at least explore the possibility. Look at his body of work. He has attacked every American institution that provides our infrastructure, he publicly announced he believes Putin over our intelligence agencies, he lives to divide our populace , he has shut down the government against the will of the majority in the populace AND the congress, he told USCG members to barter to pay rent, he is removing sanctions from Russian oligarchs, he has called the free press the enemy of the people, he has praised racists, he has destroyed truth, he has literally acted in the most divisive way possible at every chance he has received. (and this was off the top of my head and not nearly comprehensive) We know the Russians want to see America Balkanized. We know that they identified the exact factors that Trump is constantly harping on as the ones that could cause that Balkanization. We also know Trump has intricate financial ties to Russia and we know that he actually signed a letter of intent to build a tower in Moscow, complete with a penthouse for Putin, while he was a candidate for POTUS - and we know that he lied to us the American people about it. As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. Map of the Day: Ex-KGB Analyst Predicts Balkanization of U.S. Perhaps Trump isnt the Siberian Candidate but we would truly be naive to dismiss the possibility out of hand. Edited January 11, 2019 by Farmer77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted January 11, 2019 #321 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Farmer77 said: Look at his body of work. He has attacked every American institution that provides our infrastructure, he publicly announced he believes Putin over our intelligence agencies, he lives to divide our populace , he has shut down the government against the will of the majority in the populace AND the congress, he told USCG members to barter to pay rent, he is removing sanctions from Russian oligarchs, he has called the free press the enemy of the people, he has praised racists, he has destroyed truth, he has literally acted in the most divisive way possible at every chance he has received. (and this was off the top of my head and not nearly comprehensive) the way you frame your 'argument' is deliberately dishonest - IMO and no I'm not going to go through all your points because they are all born of negative spin and sweeping judgements... I know politics is a dirty game but really....... have some decorum It's like if you once remarked that you thought your dentist did a bad job on a filling... then all the press and Farmer Detractors started screaming ...''he hates dentists and doesn't care if everyone has to live in pain with bad teeth.... he must have shares in the false teeth industry... then they put a side by side pic of you and a crying child with toothache... with the headline TROOTH HURTS... you know the routine - smear and fear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 11, 2019 #322 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, bee said: the way you frame your 'argument' is deliberately dishonest - IMO and no I'm not going to go through all your points because...... .......because you cant Comrade . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted January 11, 2019 #323 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Farmer77 said: know the Russians want to see America Balkanized. We know that they identified the exact factors that Trump is constantly harping on as the ones that could cause that Balkanization. We also know Trump has intricate financial ties to Russia and we know that he actually signed a letter of intent to build a tower in Moscow, complete with a penthouse for Putin, while he was a candidate for POTUS - and we know that he lied to us the American people about it. It's the Globalist Agenda that wants America 'Balkanized'..... requires America to be 'Balkanized' not Russians.. as long as the Deep State Gang can keep control of the military they will be happy to see the US divided and weakened from within... along geographical and racial lines.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted January 11, 2019 #324 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: .......because you cant Comrade . I'm sorry 'Comrade' but it is you promoting the Neo 'Communist' (technology based) Globalist take over......... not me but that's how it is in Topsy Turvy Propaganda Land..... turn everything on it's head and hope no one notices.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted January 11, 2019 #325 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Gee Trump wants steel walls built, to see the criminals, drugs and the sex traffickers getting into our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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