Imaginarynumber1 Posted January 11, 2019 #151 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Likely Guy said: Maybe chivalry is the better part of masculine valour? I think the issue lay in the fact that most dont understand the difference between toxic masculinity and regular masculinity. Yp uh have this stupid paper that conflates the two and that's just stupid. There is nothing wrong with regular masculinity. It's the ideas and traits that are often confused as masculine traits that in fact lead to individuals greatly harming themselves or others that are the issue. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted January 11, 2019 #152 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, joc said: I'm still trying to figure out how a fire hydrant has anything to do with masculinity...traditional or otherwise...... He must have been referring to its strong phallic shape... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 11, 2019 #153 Share Posted January 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: And they you asked why I thought that was. And I said "simply, toxic masculinity" which lost you. It was a direct answer I'm not writing a ****ing thesis here Not without opposable thumbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted January 11, 2019 #154 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dejarma said: you're not in the mood to go into detail then? = ya know, make a big meaning full statement in a public forum; a statement that actually has an extreme personal meaning for me.. oh thanks for that.. i'll leave you to it then Oh **** already man. I've seen you pull this **** in threads all the time. I dont owe you any explanation. Besides, I've quite clearly explained the concept in other posts. Edited January 11, 2019 by Imaginarynumber1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 11, 2019 #155 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: I think the issue lay in the fact that most dont understand the difference between toxic masculinity and regular masculinity. what is the difference? give us an example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca-RoseElsie-Raemom1921 Posted January 11, 2019 #156 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: And good for you too. Chivalry is not dead. Maybe chivalry is the better part of masculine valour? Chivalry can be taken wrong that’s why it’s less common. A man holding the door can be a I’m holding this door out of politeness, yet taken as I’m the big tough man I have to hold it for you a weak woman. My partner insits on opening doors, carrying things etc not because he has to be a big strong man looking at his pregnant wife to be but because it makes him happy to do so. He knows well I can hold my own 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted January 11, 2019 #157 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Golden Duck said: Not without opposable thumbs All apes and old world monkeys have opposable thumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 11, 2019 #158 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: Oh **** already man. I've seen you pull this **** in threads all the time. I dont owe you any explanation. Besides, I've quite clearly explained the concept in other posts. in my opinion you have not.. so far you're looking like the kinda man this thread is about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted January 11, 2019 #159 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dejarma said: in my opinion you have not.. so far you're looking like the kinda man this thread is about I could not, and please believe me when I say, could not care any less about your opinion. Edited January 11, 2019 by Imaginarynumber1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 11, 2019 #160 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Are globes upside down in Australia? The world is flat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 11, 2019 #161 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: Oh **** already man. I've seen you pull this **** in threads all the time. I dont owe you any explanation. Besides, I've quite clearly explained the concept in other posts. The key word everyone is focusing on is 'masculinity'....the key word everyone should be focusing on is Psychology. How people act and talk and interact with other people and the effects those actions have...boundaries that are crossed that shouldn't be....etc...etc...etc.... It's about the Psychology of what we do....how it affects us 'psychologically'. Because things do effect us...everything does. To the extent that we become overloaded and can't process anything in real terms anymore is the extent to which death becomes an escape rather than a consequence. Edited January 11, 2019 by joc 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted January 11, 2019 #162 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, joc said: The key word everyone is focusing on is 'masculinity'....the key word everyone should be focusing on is Psychology. How people act and talk and interact with other people and the effects those actions have...boundaries that are crossed that shouldn't be....etc...etc...etc.... It's about the Psychology of what we do....how it affects us 'psychologically'. Because things do effect us...everything does. To the extent that we become overloaded and can't process anything in real terms anymore it the extent to which death becomes an escape rather than a consequence. You're not wrong. I dont necessarily agree with the descriptor "toxic masculinity". It reeks of sjw jargon and instantly turns people away from the concept 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 11, 2019 #163 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ruby04 said: Chivalry can be taken wrong that’s why it’s less common. A man holding the door can be a I’m holding this door out of politeness, yet taken as I’m the big tough man I have to hold it for you a weak woman. My partner insits on opening doors, carrying things etc not because he has to be a big strong man looking at his pregnant wife to be but because it makes him happy to do so. He knows well I can hold my own Here in Texas ...it doesn't matter if you are male or female or what...if you don't hold a door open for the other person about to come in...it's just considered rude. But then again...if I do see a woman walking up to the door...I'll just open it and wait till she goes in...but that's what I'd do for my daughter or sister or mother...not really chivalrous I don't think. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted January 11, 2019 #164 Share Posted January 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ruby04 said: Chivalry can be taken wrong that’s why it’s less common. A man holding the door can be a I’m holding this door out of politeness, yet taken as I’m the big tough man I have to hold it for you a weak woman. My partner insits on opening doors, carrying things etc not because he has to be a big strong man looking at his pregnant wife to be but because it makes him happy to do so. He knows well I can hold my own Back in the eighties I caught **** from two women holding a door open for them. So I let it go and walked away. I thought that I was simply being polite. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca-RoseElsie-Raemom1921 Posted January 11, 2019 #165 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, joc said: Here in Texas ...it doesn't matter if you are male or female or what...if you don't hold a door open for the other person about to come in...it's just considered rude. But then again...if I do see a woman walking up to the door...I'll just open it and wait till she goes in...but that's what I'd do for my daughter or sister or mother...not really chivalrous I don't think. I try to hold the door for others but can’t always, I’m just under 5ft and 29 weeks pregnant so it’s not always easy to do. To me holding a door is just being polite, it says I see you also wish to enter/exit the place I am entering/exiting I’ll hold it so you can do so. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 11, 2019 #166 Share Posted January 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: All apes and old world monkeys have opposable thumbs OK bigger and more flexible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 11, 2019 #167 Share Posted January 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: I could not, and please believe me when I say, could not care any less about your opinion. what you said had a personal meaning for me: Quote I can tell you from experience, becuae I also work too much, that suicide rates among males, especially young adult males, is very very high. my nephew, my friend hung himself 3 years ago in a childrens playground! a happy go lucky, very funny, fun-loving young man, i loved him===no one knows why! we are all still talking about it/ crying about it to this day.. i asked you a simple adult question.. it became even more meaningful when someone mentioned what you do for a living .. so why are you talking to me like this? i don't get it/ i'm confused 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca-RoseElsie-Raemom1921 Posted January 11, 2019 #168 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Back in the eighties I caught **** from two women holding a door open for them. So I let it go and walked away. I thought that I was simply being polite. That’s the toxic side of feminism on their be half, assuming every male does something only because he needs to be the big man. You were trying to be polite to your fellow humans 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted January 11, 2019 #169 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ruby04 said: I try to hold the door for others but can’t always, I’m just under 5ft and 29 weeks pregnant so it’s not always easy to do. To me holding a door is just being polite, it says I see you also wish to enter/exit the place I am entering/exiting I’ll hold it so you can do so. I would think less people down under would hold doors open. Not becuase they're less polite. I just think it'd be more difficult with everything upside down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted January 11, 2019 #170 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, joc said: Here in Texas ...it doesn't matter if you are male or female or what...if you don't hold a door open for the other person about to come in...it's just considered rude. But then again...if I do see a woman walking up to the door...I'll just open it and wait till she goes in...but that's what I'd do for my daughter or sister or mother...not really chivalrous I don't think. No, not chivalrous (daughter or sister or mother). You do it for any damn person who's about to access the door.. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 11, 2019 #171 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ruby04 said: I try to hold the door for others but can’t always, I’m just under 5ft and 29 weeks pregnant so it’s not always easy to do. To me holding a door is just being polite, it says I see you also wish to enter/exit the place I am entering/exiting I’ll hold it so you can do so. Wow...so...end of February...beginning of March.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted January 11, 2019 #172 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Dejarma said: what you said had a personal meaning for me: my nephew, my friend hung himself 3 years ago in a childrens playground! a happy go lucky, very funny, fun-loving young man, i loved him===no one knows why! we are all still talking about it/ crying about it to this day.. i asked you a simple adult question.. it became even more meaningful when someone mentioned what you do for a living .. so why are you talking to me like this? i don't get it/ i'm confused I explained it several times already in regards to how it can relate to the topic of this thread. Every situation is different, though. No one can tell you why someone has taken their life except that person. Also, im.being a dick to you becuase you are demanding that I answer to your satisfaction. That is never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca-RoseElsie-Raemom1921 Posted January 11, 2019 #173 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, joc said: Wow...so...end of February...beginning of March.... End of March but I was 2 days late and partner a month late. Babys already got a stubborn side ultrasound wise, will not let me video kicks for family and close friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 11, 2019 #174 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dejarma said: what you said had a personal meaning for me: my nephew, my friend hung himself 3 years ago in a childrens playground! a happy go lucky, very funny, fun-loving young man, i loved him===no one knows why! we are all still talking about it/ crying about it to this day.. i asked you a simple adult question.. it became even more meaningful when someone mentioned what you do for a living .. so why are you talking to me like this? i don't get it/ i'm confused A similar thing happened to family friends years ago. (Looking from outside the family, the son simply didn't fit in at the school his patents insisted on sending him to.) There were questions about the absence of any note. Only about one in six leave a note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 11, 2019 #175 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Ruby04 said: End of March but I was 2 days late and partner a month late. Babys already got a stubborn side ultrasound wise, will not let me video kicks for family and close friends. Interesting...but...babies just have a way of disarming the entire masculinity thing. I mean...I can be frustrated and mad and just want to kick some ass....and I see a baby in a stroller and I'm just like stopping, staring...all life's hardships and stresses...they just kind of fade away. Good luck to you Ruby! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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