UM-Bot Posted January 16, 2019 #1 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Scientists at CERN are planning a successor to the Large Hadron Collider with ten times the power. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/324838/next-hadron-collider-to-be-four-times-larger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted January 16, 2019 #2 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Edited January 16, 2019 by Imaginarynumber1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted January 16, 2019 #3 Share Posted January 16, 2019 What if I don't want my hadrons collided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted January 16, 2019 #4 Share Posted January 16, 2019 If they cannot learn anymore with what they have maybe... but a lot of things more important need to be solved before spending for a bigger one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted January 16, 2019 #5 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: Homie, FCC is not "Fried Chicken Cheese", it's "Future Circular Collider" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted January 16, 2019 #6 Share Posted January 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jon the frog said: If they cannot learn anymore with what they have maybe... but a lot of things more important need to be solved before spending for a bigger one. In order to learn more about the Higgs-boson, they need a much bigger collider. One might ask what the big deal is about that Higgs thing, and the deal is, that it answers one very important question: Why is there something (matter), and not nothing? In other words, it answers the conundrum of existence! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted January 16, 2019 #7 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Erm.. am I the only one reading 'hardon collider' first time round, at first glance? Oh lord, tell me it isnt so.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 16, 2019 #8 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: Why is there something (matter), and not nothing? In other words, it answers the conundrum of existence! Or at least the answer will push the inquiry one question further. Hats off to the Europeans for dreaming big. Physics has gotten a bit more expensive since Issac Newton's time, but there are people who still think knowing more about the physical universe and how it works is worth knowing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted January 16, 2019 #9 Share Posted January 16, 2019 It seems curious that the smaller the particle, the bigger the collider ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted January 16, 2019 #10 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: In order to learn more about the Higgs-boson, they need a much bigger collider. One might ask what the big deal is about that Higgs thing, and the deal is, that it answers one very important question: Why is there something (matter), and not nothing? In other words, it answers the conundrum of existence! Yeah, it's a big deal, but if we doomed ourself out before... it's for nothing... we are in for a worldwide climate mess, yes we can look at Higgs-Boson but maybe the money can go elsewhere before we need a bigger one. Thins thing is fantastic... but other stuff need money to. Edited January 16, 2019 by Jon the frog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted January 16, 2019 #11 Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jon the frog said: Yeah it's a big deal, but if we doomed ourself out before... it's for nothing... we are in for a worldwide climate mess, yes we can look at Higgs-Boson but maybe the money can go elsewhere before we need a bigger one. Thins thing is fantastic... but other stuff need money to. On a global economic scale the price for the FCC is insignificant. And it is being made on the only continent that deals responsibly with global warming. I wouldn't worry. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 16, 2019 #12 Share Posted January 16, 2019 who is funding it and what does it cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 16, 2019 #13 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Maybe this is why we don't see advanced intelligent life in the universe, the natural progression for an advanced civilisation to pursue and build partical colliders to understand the secrets of the universe in which they exist. Maybe the bigger the partical collider the bigger the risk of self annilation. I'm sure the creator(s) of the simulator in which we live have inbuilt a feature so we will never discover the ultimate secrets of the universe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted January 16, 2019 #14 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, aztek said: who is funding it and what does it cost? I think they talk about 20 billion pound in the article so 23 billion Euro... probably in reality four time that amount, like any other big project. The 16 miles Cern Hadron collider cost more than 1 billion a year to operate, some article say 5,5 billion so the big one will cost at least four time that too. Edited January 16, 2019 by Jon the frog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 16, 2019 #15 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, RoofGardener said: It seems curious that the smaller the particle, the bigger the collider ? The smaller the chunks, the more tightly they are bound and the more energy it takes to break them apart. Lucky for us. we wouldn't want the protons in our glass of stout spontaneously decaying into quarks. Very bad for the head. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 16, 2019 #16 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Jon the frog said: Yeah, it's a big deal, but if we doomed ourself out before... it's for nothing... we are in for a worldwide climate mess, yes we can look at Higgs-Boson but maybe the money can go elsewhere before we need a bigger one. Thins thing is fantastic... but other stuff need money to. You are right about that. A lot of things need money. Not everybody even agrees on climate change, it would be hard to get $2 billion passed in the US, much less $50 billion. For Europe, it is status, high technology jobs and maybe some amazing discoveries. Just like the space program, benefits from computer, detector, magnet, and power control developments might pay a lot of benefits in other industries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 16, 2019 #17 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, stevewinn said: Maybe this is why we don't see advanced intelligent life in the universe, the natural progression for an advanced civilisation to pursue and build partical colliders to understand the secrets of the universe in which they exist. Maybe the bigger the partical collider the bigger the risk of self annilation. I'm sure the creator(s) of the simulator in which we live have inbuilt a feature so we will never discover the ultimate secrets of the universe. Can't be too sure. Maybe it is a test by their programmers to find a self-aware, capable simulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted January 16, 2019 #18 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 hours ago, acute said: What if I don't want my hadrons collided? Eat your peas or no desert for you! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLingo Posted January 17, 2019 #19 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 hours ago, aztek said: who is funding it and what does it cost? will be this lot still at a guess https://home.cern/about/who-we-are/our-governance/member-states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted January 17, 2019 #20 Share Posted January 17, 2019 13 hours ago, RoofGardener said: It seems curious that the smaller the particle, the bigger the collider ? Not really. According to the standard model I don't think our level of resolution will get any finer. Simply put, it's about acceleration and more detectors for impacts. More acceleration, higher energy impacts and with more detection points, it's easier to see and extrapolate the data. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted January 17, 2019 #21 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, danydandan said: Not really. According to the standard model I don't think our level of resolution will get any finer. Simply put, it's about acceleration and more detectors for impacts. More acceleration, higher energy impacts and with more detection points, it's easier to see and extrapolate the data. That's easy for you to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted January 17, 2019 #22 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: That's easy for you to say Easier, not easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seti42 Posted January 17, 2019 #23 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I wonder if the conspiracy/doomsayer BS will also be 4x larger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted January 18, 2019 #24 Share Posted January 18, 2019 More reasons why we need a larger collider: [16.25 min. - but only 12 mins about the subject.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted January 18, 2019 #25 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, sci-nerd said: More reasons why we need a larger collider: [16.25 min. - but only 12 mins about the subject.] Might actually be able to test M-Theory hypotheses if it's big enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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