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DieChecker
25 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

There are also approximately 1,000,000 contractors who were not being paid. That's a million people who, unlike government workers, won't have any backdated paychecks.

I heard they got unemployment.

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DieChecker
3 hours ago, Setton said:

Seriously? Sigh.....

Does not refute what I wrote.

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DieChecker
9 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

BSABSVR

Does not refute what I wrote. Thanks. 

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DieChecker
10 hours ago, Agent0range said:

How far down the rabbit hole do we have to go to where we are seriously talking about giving the highest elected official in the country what he wants to allow the government to operate before this is considered a dictatorship?

Wait... What?

Why would we support the highest elected official on how he wants to run the government?

Is that a for real question? Because he's the highest elected official....

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skliss
8 hours ago, Setton said:

Except more than half the country didn't vote for the candidate offering it. More than half the cou try confirmed that again in November. And more than half the People’s representatives voted against it earlier this week. 

Exactly what are you basing this claim on? 

I'm not sure you understand what goes on here and the nuances. Yes the Dems are the majority in the house but by very little in the long run. We have 2 parts of Congress and the other part belongs to the Reps. So yeah...about half want a wall.

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DieChecker

I thought this was a bit funny....

 

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DieChecker

This was kind of interesting.... 

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The survey found that 56 percent of respondents do not support the president's proposal to construct a wall along the southern border, compared to 44 percent who do.

Wow 56 to 44? That's pretty significant. Maybe the President should think about the future of his signature project?

As a comparison though.... On another signature project...

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Obamacare Historical Public Approval

 
For/Favor
Against/Oppose
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For/Favor
Against/Oppose
Spread
2009 - - - 2013 40.4 50.6 -10.2
2010 39.9 51.4 -11.5 2014 39.4 52.6 -13.2
2011 39.1 50.8 -11.7 2015 41.4 50.3 -8.9
2012 40.2 48.8 -8.6 2016 40.4 49.4 -9.0

So, Obamacare never reached an average of 44% approval over these 8 years. But then it never reached 56% disapproval either. It did get to about 53% though...

So is the Wall more popular then Obamacare? About the same?

If about the same, then shouldn't we get the Wall so, to paraphrase Nancy Pelosi (on voting for the ACA), we can find out what it will do?

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RavenHawk
On 1/24/2019 at 7:11 PM, Tatetopa said:

Well a wall won't stop this either will it?  I guess you can always find a way for someone to sneak by a check point.  Why would not the same logic apply to a wall?  

Nothing will stop anything 100% (not even a 100% crackdown at checkpoints).  But a wall sure does reduce it to a trickle.  If we focus on just beefing up the Ports of Entry, and with a porous border, the world will laugh at us.  The world will know we are not serious in defending our borders.  That would send a very bad message to the world.  We would need a border agent every 10’ without a wall.  Further, do polls ask Americans if they want someone who does not respect our sovereignty or laws to be in this nation?  That is what every illegal does.  The one thing we must guard against most is ignorance and apathy.  But if the Progs have their way, that is how most Americans will be.  I fear that is all too evident.  That should irk people off but it doesn’t because they are already ignorant and apathetic.  I’m currently reading “The Original Argument” by Glen Beck.  All Americans should read it.  A Gentleman by the name of Joshua Charles was rewriting the Federalist Papers in modern English and Beck features many of the key essays.  If people are not really aware of what the Federalist Papers are, they are the explanation and reasoning for our Constitution.  It examines concepts and types of government and history.  It shows where other forms of government failed.  For example, if people do not understand why we have the Electoral College, the Federalist Papers clearly explains the intent.  It logically lays out the argument why the Constitution is far above any other form of government that has ever been or will ever be.  It is based in understanding human nature, which never changes.  And I don’t think most people understand that it is all about human nature. 

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RavenHawk

This aired the other night and I was pretty impressed with the local investigative reporter (but it didn’t last long).  When he asked the ranchers if they believe they were having problems with illegals and they all raised their hands.  I don’t think they caught his inference.  They should have told him, “we don’t believe, we know”.  But this is a good piece as it reveals where our new governor stands.  I take Ramirez as a Prog but this piece came across like an Acosta moment at the border.

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/new-mexico-ranchers-frustrated-with-situation-along-us-mexico-border/5220568/

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RavenHawk
22 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

If about the same, then shouldn't we get the Wall so, to paraphrase Nancy Pelosi (on voting for the ACA), we can find out what it will do?

This makes for an excellent comparison.  Not everybody benefits from Obamacare.  Everyone will benefit from the wall.  The wall is infrastructure, ACA is not.  The government was not originally envisioned to delve into social issues.  By doing so, the government creates special interest groups.  The basis for ACA is redistribution.  You must take away from some to give to others.  That act is perhaps the greatest sin any government can impose on its citizens.  Our government was not based on that.  Being infrastructure, the wall fulfills the general welfare of the nation.

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Setton
9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Seriously? Sigh.....

Does not refute what I wrote.

Also doesn't make it any more relevant. 

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Setton
3 hours ago, skliss said:

I'm not sure you understand what goes on here and the nuances. Yes the Dems are the majority in the house but by very little in the long run. We have 2 parts of Congress and the other part belongs to the Reps. So yeah...about half want a wall.

Except that of the senate, only 50 voted for the wall. 54 voted for the funding bill with no wall. Therefore it is not true to say more than half the country wants the wall. 

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RavenHawk
On 1/25/2019 at 11:27 AM, Setton said:

Except the nation doesn't want it... 

That is not rational.  What people on this planet are not interested in their own security?

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Setton
15 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

That is not rational.  What people on this planet are not interested in their own security?

Well they keep voting against it. 

Maybe they think their security would be better assured in other ways. 

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RavenHawk
3 minutes ago, Setton said:

Well they keep voting against it. 

Maybe they think their security would be better assured in other ways. 

And how do they keep doing that?

 

And what could possibly secured them better?

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Setton
9 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

And how do they keep doing that?

As already covered, they vote for candidates that don't promise a wall, twice. Their representatives vote for funding measures that don't include a wall, twice. Pretty clear where public opinion lies. 

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And what could possibly secured them better?

No point asking me, I'm not the one voting for or against it. Ask your countrymen, the majority of whom obviously think there are better alternatives. 

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Michelle

"We still don’t understand why the Democrats are so wholeheartedly against it. They voted for it in 2006. Then-Sen. Obama voted for it. Sen. Schumer voted for it. Sen. Clinton voted for it. So we don’t understand why Democrats are now playing politics just because Donald Trump is in office."

Obama, Clinton, Schumer and 23 other Democratic senators voted in favor of the act when it passed in the Senate by a vote of 80 to 19.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/23/mick-mulvaney/fact-check-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/

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Agent0range
1 hour ago, Michelle said:

"We still don’t understand why the Democrats are so wholeheartedly against it. They voted for it in 2006. Then-Sen. Obama voted for it. Sen. Schumer voted for it. Sen. Clinton voted for it. So we don’t understand why Democrats are now playing politics just because Donald Trump is in office."

Obama, Clinton, Schumer and 23 other Democratic senators voted in favor of the act when it passed in the Senate by a vote of 80 to 19.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/23/mick-mulvaney/fact-check-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/

I'm confused.  So if everyone voted for it then...where is it?  Can you explain what happened after the vote?  Tell us, what happened after the vote, who voted for, who voted against, and where we are at now.  K, thanks.

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Farmer77

 

8 hours ago, Michelle said:

"We still don’t understand why the Democrats are so wholeheartedly against it. They voted for it in 2006. Then-Sen. Obama voted for it. Sen. Schumer voted for it. Sen. Clinton voted for it. So we don’t understand why Democrats are now playing politics just because Donald Trump is in office."

Obama, Clinton, Schumer and 23 other Democratic senators voted in favor of the act when it passed in the Senate by a vote of 80 to 19.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/23/mick-mulvaney/fact-check-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/

 Good gotcha politics there but there are legitimate reasons for the appearance of inconsistency. From your link:

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Democrats normally in favor of looser immigration laws saw the Secure Fence Act of 2006 as the lesser of two evils, according to a Boston Globe report that detailed the legislative process. Around that same time, the House passed legislation that would make any undocumented immigrant a felon.


Heck your link sums it up nicely

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Mulvaney’s statement is partially accurate, but ignores important context. We rate it Half True.

 

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Earl.Of.Trumps
11 hours ago, Michelle said:

"We still don’t understand why the Democrats are so wholeheartedly against it. They voted for it in 2006. Then-Sen. Obama voted for it. Sen. Schumer voted for it. Sen. Clinton voted for it. So we don’t understand why Democrats are now playing politics just because Donald Trump is in office."

 

It just took a while for the dems to find out there was "gold in then thar hills!".

democrat voters. and the dems are exploiting it to the max.

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RavenHawk
14 hours ago, Setton said:

As already covered, they vote for candidates that don't promise a wall, twice. Their representatives vote for funding measures that don't include a wall, twice. Pretty clear where public opinion lies. 

And when did that happen?

 

No point asking me, I'm not the one voting for or against it. Ask your countrymen, the majority of whom obviously think there are better alternatives. 

You’re the one coming across as the expert.  There is no substitute for a wall.  A wall is the base of any defense.  Then you add on to it.

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skliss
17 hours ago, Setton said:

Except that of the senate, only 50 voted for the wall. 54 voted for the funding bill with no wall. Therefore it is not true to say more than half the country wants the wall. 

Im talking about the people who voted them into place to represent what they want.

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RavenHawk
12 hours ago, Michelle said:

"We still don’t understand why the Democrats are so wholeheartedly against it. They voted for it in 2006. Then-Sen. Obama voted for it. Sen. Schumer voted for it. Sen. Clinton voted for it. So we don’t understand why Democrats are now playing politics just because Donald Trump is in office."

We know why.  The Progs have no intention to have any serious border security.  You’ll notice how they will all talk about the *need* for a barrier but when the time comes to erect it, there is always some excuse not to.  But those brainwashed will say how much the Progs care about us.  How concerned for our well being they are.  They’re our champions.  Trump is a builder and the Progs are afraid of that.  He will ruin their cozy little scam to string the people along.  He doesn’t just talk about the need of a wall, he is ready to build it and they call him racist.  Progs are phony as you can get.  This is the type Socialism attracts.

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Earl.Of.Trumps
17 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

That is not rational.  What people on this planet are not interested in their own security?

 

The dems find "their own security" in more voters=more power.   That's what this is really all about, a power grab

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Setton
1 hour ago, skliss said:

Im talking about the people who voted them into place to represent what they want.

You mean the people who the majority of whom voted for candidates not promising a wall? 

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