Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #26 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: You keep moving the goal posts. In your EG1 you clearly state it is the female 'claiming rape'; and, the male is on trial. it's not clear is it, Sherlock!? if it were clear then there wouldn't be a case, would there, Sherlock!? i've added another spanner into the works regarding your: Quote and eg1 is very likely rape. comment as a possibility.............. Edited January 19, 2019 by Dejarma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #27 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dejarma said: it's not clear is it, Sherlock!? if it were clear then there wouldn't be a case, would there, Sherlock!? On 1/17/2019 at 9:24 AM, garth said: I also love the film that Truffaut directed himself, "Fahrenheit 451". He does a Hitchcock and appears in briefly in one scene. You said: 3 hours ago, Dejarma said: ... The woman (the next day) thinks: 'oh dam what have I done' realizing in the heat of the moment she had sex with this man. Feels disgusted with herself & decides to claim rape= that's why she had sex because it was rape= a subconscious way of justifying it? Was she forced? Well there's the problem= who knows? The man is put in front of a jury... ... 1 How can, what you wrote, be interpreted any other way than - female=victim * male=accused? 5 minutes ago, Dejarma said: i've added another spanner into the works regarding your: comment as a possibility.............. 1 The differing genitalia of the genders may raise questions to be tested in court. You would be far better served using Google. Quote 'Can Women Rape Men?' Is a Surprisingly Controversial Question Under British law, rape can technically only be perpetrated by a man – a problem that hasn't been helped by MRAs using the issue to demonise women. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/j5n9yy/can-women-rape-men-is-a-surprisingly-controversial-question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #28 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: How can, what you wrote, be interpreted any other way than - female=victim * male=accused? that's for the court to decide= is it not? i put forward a scenario.. a scenario a jury would be faced with..... thanks for confirming the whole point of this thread= well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #29 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Dejarma said: that's for the court to decide= is it not? i put forward a scenario.. a scenario a jury would be faced with..... thanks for confirming the whole point of this thread= well done Have a look at what you wrote in the in EG1 of the OP. You said the female was "claiming rape". You said the male was before a jury. That implies police have charged the male based on the female's complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #30 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Golden Duck said: Have a look at what you wrote in the in EG1 of the OP. You said the female was "claiming rape". You said the male was before a jury. That implies police have charged the male based on the female's complaint. sorry you've lost me= i don't get your point.... i'm old so maybe you need to consider that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #31 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Dejarma said: sorry you've lost me= i don't get your point.... i'm old so maybe you need to consider that Phew! In post #28 you assert that I have confirmed the point of this thread - whatever that may be. You proposed the hypothetical where a male is on trial for raping a female. You subsequently propose the court decides who the victim and accused are. A court determines whether, or not, accused is guilty. Explain the point you are trying to make in your OP and post #28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #32 Share Posted January 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Phew! In post #28 you assert that I have confirmed the point of this thread - whatever that may be. You proposed the hypothetical where a male is on trial for raping a female. You subsequently propose the court decides who the victim and accused are. A court determines whether, or not, accused is guilty. Explain the point you are trying to make in your OP and post #28. your words: Quote and eg1 is very likely rape. no_it_is_not =in my opinion why is it likely?= in your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted January 19, 2019 #33 Share Posted January 19, 2019 This is a legal minefield, and harbour-side mansions are funded from the argumentation by lawyers in courtrooms about such matters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #34 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dejarma said: your words: no_it_is_not =in my opinion why is it likely?= in your opinion It's likely based on what you said 1 hour ago, Dejarma said: alcohol is not an added complication= alcohol will be the reason why situation 1 happened in the first place <more than likely> ... ... Here, do you mean that- if there were no alcohol, no (consensual) sex would have occurred? Was the woman impaired to such an extent she couldn't give consent? Do you understand now why I say alcohol complicates the matter and necessitates more answers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #35 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Habitat said: This is a legal minefield, and harbour-side mansions are funded from the argumentation by lawyers in courtrooms about such matters. That's what I tried to say on page one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted January 19, 2019 #36 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: That's what I tried to say on page one! I missed seeing it. Where would lawyers be if everything was cut-and-dried. Answer, living in cheaper accomodation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #37 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: It's likely based on what you said Here, do you mean that- if there were no alcohol, no (consensual) sex would have occurred? Was the woman impaired to such an extent she couldn't give consent? Do you understand now why I say alcohol complicates the matter and necessitates more answers? do i understand??? err hmm let me think? what part of: 'alcohol is not a complication= it's the reason the situation occurred in the first place' do you not get!? you are now fascinating me hmm, let's see what other members think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #38 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Dejarma said: do i understand??? err hmm let me think? what part of: 'alcohol is not a complication= it's the reason the situation occurred in the first place' do you not get!? you are now fascinating me hmm, let's see what other members think OK, so you assert alcohol was the reason that sex occurred. So was the victim impaired by alcohol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #39 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, Golden Duck said: OK, so you assert alcohol was the reason that sex occurred. So was the victim impaired by alcohol? who's the victim??= 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #40 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Habitat said: I missed seeing it. Where would lawyers be if everything was cut-and-dried. Answer, living in cheaper accomodation. Speaking of clever lawyers... If this thread was inspired by the Gillette thread - here's proof that all society doesn't accept anti-social behaviour. Quote The recent decision by the ACT magistrate, Shane Madden, to acquit Canberra Raiders rugby league player Noa Nadruku of two assault charges has not only provoked community outrage, it has also raised some important legal and social issues for federal, state and territory governments and for local communities. https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id:"chamber/hansards/1997-10-29/0055";src1=sm1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #41 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dejarma said: who's the victim??= Huh! What did you state in the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #42 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, Golden Duck said: Huh! What did you state in the OP? i did not state anyone in particular as being a victim.. i put forward a scenario as a court of law would see it!! sooo who is the victim in eg1?? according to you it's the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #43 Share Posted January 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dejarma said: i did not state anyone in particular as being a victim.. i put forward a scenario as a court of law would see it!! sooo who is the victim in eg1?? according to you it's the man Maybe that's what's confusing you! You don't remember what you wrote. See below bolding and colouring mine 4 hours ago, Dejarma said: Example 1: a man meets a woman at a nightclub... The drinks are flowing, they get on great & end up having sex... The woman (the next day) thinks: 'oh dam what have I done' realizing in the heat of the moment she had sex with this man. Feels disgusted with herself & decides to claim rape= that's why she had sex because it was rape= a subconscious way of justifying it? Was she forced? Well there's the problem= who knows? The man is put in front of a jury... ... 1 You state the female "decides to claim rape." And, "the man is put in front of a jury." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #44 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Maybe that's what's confusing you! You don't remember what you wrote. See below bolding and colouring mine You state the female "decides to claim rape." And, "the man is put in front of a jury." nope== you've completely lost me there so= i've no idea how to reply to that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #45 Share Posted January 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dejarma said: nope== you've completely lost me there so= i've no idea how to reply to that Mate, you wrote it in the OP!!! What do you mean when you say... Feels disgusted with herself & decides to claim rape ? Per the below 4 hours ago, Dejarma said: ... Feels disgusted with herself & decides to claim rape ... What do you mean when you say...The man is put in front of a jury ? Per the below 4 hours ago, Dejarma said: ...The man is put in front of a jury... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #46 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Golden Duck said: Mate, you wrote it in the OP!!! What do you mean when you say... Feels disgusted with herself & decides to claim rape ? Per the below What do you mean when you say...The man is put in front of a jury ? Per the below what part of= <how the court sees it> do you not get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19, 2019 #47 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dejarma said: what part of= <how the court sees it> do you not get? Like I said before the court determines guilt. You wrote the man is in front of a jury. Therefore, he's been charged and is defending himself. Explain what you meant in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 19, 2019 Author #48 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Explain what you meant in the OP. no- i'm going haggis hunting now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Allende Posted January 19, 2019 #49 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Dejarma I get the impression you're trying to solicit a wholesale dismissal of all rape cases where the victim has been in the vicinity of alcohol while on a night out. Well, yes. Golden Duck notwithstanding, I don't see why the argument is contentious. Just as the whole idea of a jury is for them to weigh things in the balance using their societal experience. there's certain factors that, while not universally true in every case, the law itself can say, on balance, is probably true. Most people who go nightclubbing, even with the benefit of the doubt, are either cougars (who should know better) or people under-thirty years old; therefore they've got less life experience to steer them clear of dodgy sexual partners. And dodgy sexual partners do exist; if you conceive of sex as a concept, you should conceive of men (and women) hounding you by any means necessary. The whole situation has got the similar vibe to the perennial debate over whether teenagers should be allowed to vote. Just ...no! And we shouldn't be ashamed to say no. There's no accounting for a lack of common-sensical life-experience. Many years ago, I was working as a low-level security guard at a maximum security prison (in fact, one of the most advanced maximum security prisons ever built). Before my shift, a lovely lady sexed me up specifically to insert some metallic fibers into my bloodstream, which one of the prisoners then manipulated using his magnetic superpowers in an escape attempt. I could have made a fuss and owned up to what happened, but I didn't because I was ashamed and embarrassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted January 19, 2019 #50 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Carlos Allende said: Many years ago, I was working as a low-level security guard at a maximum security prison (in fact, one of the most advanced maximum security prisons ever built). Before my shift, a lovely lady sexed me up specifically to insert some metallic fibers into my bloodstream, which one of the prisoners then manipulated using his magnetic superpowers in an escape attempt. I could have made a fuss and owned up to what happened, but I didn't because I was ashamed and embarrassed. The mind boggles, as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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